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CIC TRAINING
« on: January 23, 2013, 14:37:52 »
Hello all,  long time lurker first time poster on these forums.  I am a newly minted ocdt.. I need a little help.  I have been out of cadets and the mitary for 17 years now.  Now that I am back would like abit of a head start on the botc and any other ocdt courses i will need to train in.  Ive read in these forums and have seen past post on this type of requests however the links were broken.  If anyone has new links or resources which could prep me or help me get a better basic grasp before i go i wouldgladly pay back in kind. 

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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 15:12:33 »
Welcome to the CIC.
If you have a CCO Net account all the info can be found in the File Repository on the RCIS links.
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Re: CIC _ traing
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 15:23:09 »
What is traing? ???

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Re: CIC _ traing
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2013, 16:36:14 »
Hello all,  long time lurker first time poster on these forums.  I am a newly minted ocdt.. I need a little help.  I have been out of cadets and the mitary for 17 years now.  Now that I am back would like abit of a head start on the botc and any other ocdt courses i will need to train in.  Ive read in these forums and have seen past post on this type of requests however the links were broken.  If anyone has new links or resources which could prep me or help me get a better basic grasp before i go i wouldgladly pay back in kind. 

Thx

The first course that you will take will be the CIC BOTC.

The CIC BOTC is delivered in two phases; the first, a distributed learning (DL) phase is conducted by the CIC Centre for Distributed Learning (CDL) online through the DNDLearn platform (until 1 May 13, after which it will transition to the new DLN Saba platform). It is normally conducted over a one month timeframe.  Successful completion of the DL phase is required in order to be loaded on the second phase, an in-house (IH) portion conducted by one of the five Regional Cadet Instructor Schools (RCISs). The IH phase is often run in a weekend format, but many RCISs also run a continuous format serial once or twice a year, normally in advance of the summer training season.

The following material is covered on the CIC BOTC:

PO 101 - Adhere to Canadian Forces Regulations and Values
PO 102 - Lead Subordinates
PO 103 - Comply with Safety, Security, and Environmental Protection Policies and Procedures
PO 104 - Communicate Orally and in Writing
PO 105 - Plan Activities
PO 106 - Conduct Activities
PO 107 - Perform Basic Drill Movements at the Halt and on the March
PO 108 - Fire the Cadet Air Rifle
PO 109 - Maintain Personal Health and Fitness

Following completion of the BOTC, you will take the CIC Occupational Training Course (OTC).

Like the CIC BOTC, the OTC is conducted in two phases with the first, a DL phase, being prerequisite for the second, an IH phase.

The fol material makes up the CIC OTC:

PO 101 - Adhere to Canadian Cadet Organization (CCO) Regulations and Values
PO 102 - Lead Cadets
PO 103 - Communicate with Canadian Cadet Movement (CCM) Partners
PO 104 - Instruct Personnel

After the CIC OTC, the next course (with regards to baseline training) will be the appropriate Environmental Training Course to match one's elemental affiliation (Sea, Air, or Land).  Theses courses are, once again, split into two phases (DL & IH).

As an example, the CIC Land Environmental Training Course (LETC) consists of the fol:

PO 101 - Exemplify the Professional Attributes of a CIC (Land) Officer
PO 102 - Perform the Duties of a Platoon Commander
PO 103 - Deliver the Army Cadet Training System
PO 104 - Communicate using Land-Based Radios
PO 105 - Navigate Over Land
PO 106 - Participate in an Overnight Field Training Exercise
PO 107 - Participate in an Army Cadet Field Training Exercise
PO 108 - Conduct a Recce of an Established Trail


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Re: CIC _ traing
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2013, 17:18:23 »
What is traing? ???

He means training but he misspelled it traing. He missed an N in the word. Also looks like he missed an I  :o
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Re: CIC _ traing
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 18:45:16 »
He means training but he misspelled it traing. He missed an N in the word. Also looks like he missed an I  :o

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Re: CIC _ traing
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 19:05:27 »
Fixed

I'm not sure what you fixed but thanks!
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Re: CIC _ training
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 20:07:55 »
I'm not sure what you fixed but thanks!
It now says Training not traing.
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Re: CIC TRAINING
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 13:52:36 »
Thanka for tbe replys and sorry about the typos.  Using a galaxy$ 1 and my fingers are not that small.

Anyhow some pretty useful info.  I do not have an account yet or my own access to fortress.  Just hoping i could mybe get some added info to prep myself in my free time before doing the course itself.     Perhaps the coure mat itself or a good summery of it.   Thanks again and a sorry in advance to those grabmert nutzies...  Using a smart phone n all.  ;)

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Re: CIC TRAINING
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2013, 14:31:49 »
Out of curiousity, at what point does a CIC officer reach the OFP for their officer classification?  After the CIC occupational course I would assume?  Or is there a specific point?  Cheers.

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Re: CIC TRAINING
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2013, 23:53:38 »
Out of curiousity, at what point does a CIC officer reach the OFP for their officer classification?  After the CIC occupational course I would assume?  Or is there a specific point?  Cheers.
I presume you mean Operationaly Functional Point -

A person without any former military service who enrolls in the Canadian Forces Cadet Instructors Branch is enrolled as an Officer/Naval cadet and may be employed immediately at a local cadet corps/squadron where on the job training begins immediately.  After completing the approximatly 9 weeks of DL and in house training on BOTC and Occupational Qualification Course along with the OJT during the service period, the candidate is eligible to be promoted to 2Lt/Acting S/Lt after a years service or if the candidate has a university degree.  Promotion must be recommended to and approved by the Commanding Officer of the Regional Cadet Headquarters.   

As mentioned above, follow on training includes on the job activity, supported by the Environmental Training Course then the Intermediate Officer Course along with specialist courses in supply, administration, range safety officer in order to provide the services required to run a corps or squadron.  Corps Squadron Commanding Officers are required to have advanced training as well the Commanding Officer's Course.

Additionally, there is a long list of other courses available including:

Basic Safety Officer Training Course (BSOTC)
Unit Environmental Officer (Env O)
Glider Instructor Course (GIC)
Tow Aircraft Conversion Course (TACC)
Launch Control Officer (LCO)
Band Officer (Band O)
Range Safety Officer – Smallbore (RSO (SB))
Range Safety Officer — Air Rifle (RSO AR)
Range Safety Officer — Large Bore (RSO (LB))
Sailing Coach
Small Craft Operator Program (SCOP) Instructor
Tender Officer in Charge Course (TOIC)
ORCA Class Patrol Craft Tender Officer in Charge Course (ORCA OIC)
Cold Weather Leader (CWL)
Abseil Instructor Course (AIC)
Orienteering Instructor (OIC)
Basic Canoe Instructor (BCI)
Canoe Trip Leader (CTL)
Moving Water Canoe Leader Course (MWCLC)
Naval Field Gun Safety Course (NFGSC)

A person with former military service who transfers to the Cadet Organizations Administration and Training Service Reserve Subcomponent will be assessed as to whether to skip the BOTC and take the MOC training or not.   One aspect is how long they have been away from the service.   
 
« Last Edit: January 24, 2013, 23:59:28 by gwp »

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Re: CIC TRAINING
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 12:07:53 »
gwp - very informative, but doesn't address OFP. Pardon my dreadful memory, but that'd be the point at which a member is employable in their trade or specialty?

On a practical level, rather hard to pin down for CIC - newly-enrolled NCdts are immediately employed "in trade" while waiting for training.

If memory serves, I heard something about OFP and the conclusion of BOTC, OCC, and the relevant environmental course.

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Re: CIC TRAINING
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2013, 22:07:00 »
You are correct. I am a Lieutenant with an Army cadet corps, and I was deemed OFP after my LETC course. I spent the time after my BOTC/OCC course teaching basic(green star) cadets the Cadet program for their level every LHQ session. I still spend my time in the classroom/parade square when I am in the armouries for LHQ sessions. My time as an Ocdt. was spent attending lectures, and assisting in drill class, but not actually teaching. Post BPTC/OCC I was teaching these classes, and now, I am sitting in and evaluating the lectures/drill sessions conducted by other members. Time wise, I would have to say that unless you are attested and then are immediately departing for BOTC/OCC training, you will be waiting a minimum of 4-6mos at your LHQ before you go. Your time would probably be spent much as mine was. Learning how to handle a class of twelve year olds, and keep them focussed on the lesson. This is difficult, considering you have around 30-40 mins of time to conduct the lesson. After LHQ, if your course date is on the horizon, you will be at your home computer hip deep in DLearning in preparation for the BOTC/OCC. This will take about three weeks of solid effort to complete(2-3hours/session). All I can suggest, is study, and ask questions of your fellow officers/instructors. Good luck, and welcome to toonville! Ask any member of the PRes/RegF why we are called toons, they might just answer you.
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Re: CIC TRAINING
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2013, 23:48:39 »
On a practical level, rather hard to pin down for CIC - newly-enrolled NCdts are immediately employed "in trade" while waiting for training.

Quite right. The reality is that at the cadet corps/squadron the CIC MOC not only includes "leading, managing the cadet program and delivering the cadet training" it includes serving as AdminO, RMS Clerk, Finance Clerk, Supply Off, Supply Tech, Training Officer, Operations Officer, Transport Officer, Rations Clerk, Cook, Accomodations Officer, PAO and more.   Few corps/squadrons have the luxury of having a program of introduction as outlined by gunrunner.   The exigencies of the service require that a warm and willing body be employed in the service of the cadets at the outset.   

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If memory serves, I heard something about OFP and the conclusion of BOTC, OCC, and the relevant environmental course.

That is probably the first point when reality and formal training meet. 
« Last Edit: January 26, 2013, 23:56:07 by gwp »