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Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« on: February 20, 2014, 20:15:51 »
http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/aust-to-buy-new-poseidon-aircraft/story-e6frfku9-1226833595123

"The federal government is set to spend up to $7 billion to buy eight Boeing P-8A Poseidon long range maritime patrol aircraft to replace the RAAF's ageing AP-3C Orion aircraft."

A move that surprised absolutely no one in the ADF.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2014, 20:20:34 »
"The RAAF operates 19 Lockheed AP-3C Orions which entered service in the mid-1980s."

Jeez, by Canadian standards their old planes are barely broken in yet.  I wonder if we can get a deal on these gently used Orions?

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2015, 23:32:10 »
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-23/raaf-prepares-for-generation-change/6491084

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Felix the Cat has been the mascot of the Royal Australian Air Force's 11 squadron, based at Edinburgh in northern Adelaide, for more than 70 years.

The feline cartoon character was adopted as the squadron's symbol during World War II, when pilots flew Catalina flying boats that were painted black and nicknamed "black cats".

Some will need no pilots at all, with the Defence Department awaiting confirmation from Canberra it will have a fleet of MQ-4C Triton drones.

The first of eight P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft will also arrive in Australia this year, and RAAF pilots are already training for the aircraft in Florida.  A second fleet of Tritons is likely to follow.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2015, 03:04:59 »
"The RAAF operates 19 Lockheed AP-3C Orions which entered service in the mid-1980s."

Jeez, by Canadian standards their old planes are barely broken in yet.  I wonder if we can get a deal on these gently used Orions?

 ???

What are the total hours per airframe flown, what is their YFR, mid life upgrades etc.  There is more to it than when it entered service.

Our tails likely have close'ish birthdays to theirs.  I flew one recently on its 34th birthday.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2015, 03:07:30 »
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-23/raaf-prepares-for-generation-change/6491084

Looks like they will be in decent shape ISR-wise.  Time to get those payloader slots away from those pesky ACSOs!   >:D
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2015, 01:18:54 »
Looks like they will be in decent shape ISR-wise.  Time to get those payloader slots away from those pesky ACSOs!   >:D

Not when most of the Payload Operators here are RAAF Air Combat Officer - Navs  ;)
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2015, 02:48:48 »
unsat!! ;D
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2015, 04:14:02 »
They had to give the Navs something to do, they were replaced by a Garmin.  ;)

Who operates the camera on the P3/P8?

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2015, 05:29:14 »
They had to give the Navs something to do, they were replaced by a Garmin.  ;)

Well, it's not like toast makes itself.  There is always that crucial function available  >:D

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2015, 22:28:45 »
They had to give the Navs something to do, they were replaced by a Garmin.  ;)

Who operates the camera on the P3/P8?

AEAs - their version of AESOPs. 

There are 2 ACO-NAV equivalent to what we have, plus an ACO-SEM (Sensor Employment Manager, basically a commissioned AEA).  The RAAF lumps a bunch of things into the ACO category, including Air Battle Manager (Air Weapons Controller in the CF) and SEM, which I'm not really sure we have an equivalent. 
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2015, 15:49:05 »
The 30-year old P-3s cited in the article are only the P-3Cs. The Bs entered service late 60s/early 70s (I forget which) and paid-off when the second batch of Cs were delivered.

There are plenty of mixed feelings at RAAF Edinburgh about all this.........

BTW the eight P-8s on order are widely expected to be complimented by an additional four, to be announced in the forthcoming DCP.

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2015, 22:46:54 »
The 30-year old P-3s cited in the article are only the P-3Cs. The Bs entered service late 60s/early 70s (I forget which) and paid-off when the second batch of Cs were delivered.

There are plenty of mixed feelings at RAAF Edinburgh about all this.........

BTW the eight P-8s on order are widely expected to be complimented by an additional four, to be announced in the forthcoming DCP.

I'm sure some of those mixed feelings are from the SEMs who may or may not have a job once the P-8s are in.  There is no other airframe that has them in the RAAF either.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2016, 17:08:19 »
Pic attached of first RAAF P-8, in Seattle.

Just to update the thread, the DWP confirmed the 8 + 4 orders on the books, with three more to come.



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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2016, 17:16:11 »
Pic attached of first RAAF P-8, in Seattle.

Just to update the thread, the DWP confirmed the 8 + 4 orders on the books, with three more to come.

Nice looking bird with the 11 Sqn tail art.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2016, 21:02:58 »
Yup, they are purdy birds alright.  15 total...all stationed at the same field, no?
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2016, 22:07:47 »
Yup, they are purdy birds alright.  15 total...all stationed at the same field, no?

Should be - all of the RAAF MPA squadrons are in Adelaide.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2016, 17:14:00 »
Indeed.

The P-8 facilities at Edinburgh are optimised for 16 a/c. A good time to be a local building contractor......

A couple of new pics attached.

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2016, 10:30:17 »
Are they laid out inside similar to the USN P-8s?  I was on one of those with VP 8 last fall, very nice lay out.
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2016, 11:36:06 »
Internal layout is identical, as is the fit.

Only difference is the accents.  ;D

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2016, 11:41:03 »
And flight feeding?   ;D
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2016, 12:49:03 »
A nice layout, but only 5 stations....

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2016, 09:20:35 »
A nice layout, but only 5 stations....

Which stations do they have?
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2016, 15:26:57 »
"Mission systems include computing and display systems with dual 61cm (24in) screens at five operator stations - two acoustic stations, one non-acoustic station, one tactical co-ordination and one navigation and communications station. The P-8A stations will be completely interchangeable with respect to data. "With the P-8A, an operator can sit at any of the five stations and operate any system," says Sutorius."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/cutaway-p-8a-poseidon-a-boeing-with-boost-of-bravado-340955/

Not sure if this info is still correct but it sounds like two ACSO equivalents and three AES Op equivalents (1 dry and two wet). 

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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2016, 10:03:07 »
Roll-out of first RAAF P-8, with 11 Sqn insignia.  It looks shiny.

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The first of twelve Australian P-8A Poseidon aircraft has been unveiled by Boeing at a roll-out ceremony in Seattle, Washington State, USA on September 27.

Chief of Air Force, Air Marshal Leo Davies, attended the ceremony and accepted into service the Royal Australian Air Force’s newest aircraft.

“It is a privilege to accept the first Australian P-8A Poseidon aircraft, said CAF AIRMSHL Davies.

“The P-8A is the latest in a pedigree of Boeing aircraft that have provided important and significant operational capability to Australia. This history includes the C-17A Globemaster, E-7A Wedgetail, F/A-18 Classic Hornet, F/A-18F Super Hornet, Helicopter Aircrew Training System and in the near future E/A-18G Growler.” CAF said.

Built from the ground up as a military aircraft, the P-8A is based on the proven commercial designs of Boeing’s 737-800 fuselage, but is substantially structurally modified to include a weapons bay, under wing and under fuselage hard points for weapons, as well as increased strengthening to allow for continued low level operations and high angle of bank turns.

Director Maritime Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance and Response Transition Office, GPCAPT Roger McCutcheon, said the P-8A was a fundamental element of Australia’s future maritime patrol and response strategy in replacing the current AP-3C Orion fleet - due for withdrawal in 2018-19.

“Over the next three years the P-8A will replace our current fleet of AP-3C Orion aircraft currently based at RAAF Base Edinburgh, said GPCAPT McCutcheon.

The first aircraft will arrive in Australia on 15 November 2016, with the remaining 11 aircraft to be delivered by March 2020.”

Air Force aircrew and maintenance personnel have been busy training for the arrival of the P-8A since early 2015 - working side by side with the US Navy at Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Florida. The first P-8A Australian pilot flew a four-hour sortie around the Air Station on 14 April 2015.

CAF AIRMSHL Davies said that close cooperation with the US Navy to develop mission, system and training requirements for the P-8A was crucial and has helped strengthen an already close relationship.

“Speaking to my team today, it is obvious they have been the recipients of some of the best training in the world from the US Navy,” said CAF AIRMSHL Davies.

“The bilateral cooperative program for the P-8A between Australia and the United States has been very successful. It is now the model to which our other Air Force projects must aspire.”

“The passion, pride and dedication of the all the Boeing team is evident in every aircraft produced,said CAF AIRMSHL Davies.

“I have no doubt that the aircraft Boeing has proudly built here today, along with the collaborative input from both Australia and the United States, will serve our nation with consummate success. I congratulate Boeing on this significant occasion and I thank you for all for your work.”

For Boeing Mechanic Paul Lingenfelter - a Washington State native whose work on Sonobuoy structure rake installations directly resulted in zero manufacturing defects and improved time management for the P-8 program - CAF AIRMSHL Davieshad a more personal message.

“Paul you are a great asset to the P-8A program and I thank you for your work, but sorry mate - your aircraft is coming with me.”

http://www.airforce.gov.au/News/Roll-out-of-first-Australian-P-8A-Poseidon/?RAAF-/A8kQtTo3eUwo8X758YBvOig7r5XTABm

Pics on their FB page:  https://www.facebook.com/RoyalAustralianAirForce/posts/10154210405742639
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Re: Australia to buy P-8A Poseidon - News.com
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2016, 16:08:11 »
I'm anxiously awaiting the GoC announcement that we are getting some  ;D
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