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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3150 on: October 14, 2020, 15:06:46 »
Am I the only one who's beginning to warm up to having the Gripen as Canada's future fighter?

If the Gripen E is chosen it will be for purely political reasons. Nothing that I've seen, heard or read says that's superior to the offering from LM or Boeing, hell our current CF-18 is a better fit in some areas. How it's still in the running considering the Eurofighter and Rafale pulled out is beyond me. They are really trying hard to get this contract and they can smell the blood due to our bastardized procurement process and leadership in Ottawa. On a separate note, I don't know how you can justify to pilot recruits to go jets. It's like showing up to a hockey pick-up game with brand new skates that have never been sharpened out of the box. Maybe flying the best possible equipment is not an issue and all that matters is the fresh paint smell?
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3151 on: October 14, 2020, 15:38:32 »
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If the Gripen E is chosen it will be for purely political reasons

We have a fairly proud history of that.

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3152 on: October 14, 2020, 15:43:47 »
If the Gripen E is chosen it will be for purely political reasons. Nothing that I've seen, heard or read says that's superior to the offering from LM or Boeing, hell our current CF-18 is a better fit in some areas. How it's still in the running considering the Eurofighter and Rafale pulled out is beyond me. They are really trying hard to get this contract and they can smell the blood due to our bastardized procurement process and leadership in Ottawa. On a separate note, I don't know how you can justify to pilot recruits to go jets. It's like showing up to a hockey pick-up game with brand new skates that have never been sharpened out of the box. Maybe flying the best possible equipment is not an issue and all that matters is the fresh paint smell?

As I mentioned before, I have a bud flying CF-18's who remarked that he has lots of CF-18 gun sight video with Gripens in the sights.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3153 on: October 14, 2020, 17:14:16 »
As I mentioned before, I have a bud flying CF-18's who remarked that he has lots of CF-18 gun sight video with Gripens in the sights.

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3154 on: October 14, 2020, 19:14:22 »
As I mentioned before, I have a bud flying CF-18's who remarked that he has lots of CF-18 gun sight video with Gripens in the sights.

As I'm sure there are Gripen pilots with gun camera footage of CF-18s in their sights. :cheers:
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3155 on: October 14, 2020, 19:22:20 »
As I'm sure there are Gripen pilots with gun camera footage of CF-18s in their sights. :cheers:
I would prefer to procure a fighter that doesn't have any gun camera video of it at all.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3156 on: October 14, 2020, 19:40:23 »
I would prefer to procure a fighter that doesn't have any gun camera video of it at all.

Oh....so you want this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mrWUrMK5d4&ab_channel=GuardianNews

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3157 on: October 14, 2020, 21:53:22 »
We have a fairly proud history of that.


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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3158 on: October 15, 2020, 07:46:11 »
Oh....so you want this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mrWUrMK5d4&ab_channel=GuardianNews

Yeah, I'm a little biased.

Watched it bend the sky at a demo last year from Gatineau.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3159 on: October 15, 2020, 10:05:01 »
Yeah, I'm a little biased.

Watched it bend the sky at a demo last year from Gatineau.

The F35 would be awesome. Tbh, I'll be happy with whichever fighter Canada goes with.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3160 on: October 15, 2020, 16:37:15 »


Looks like it would nicely fit the Ross Rifle :)
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3161 on: October 16, 2020, 18:58:22 »
Yeah, I'm a little biased.

Watched it bend the sky at a demo last year from Gatineau.


Liar!!  You can't watch it do anything, Trump said it was invisible!  Like ACTUALLY invisible!  Pfftttt... nice try   ;)
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3162 on: October 17, 2020, 11:30:35 »
Don gave me some special glasses. Do not share this with anyone.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3163 on: October 21, 2020, 16:00:58 »
How many of the current bidders would still qualify if they reinstated the float requirement?

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3164 on: October 21, 2020, 16:51:39 »
If that's the case, then I am going to form a company and submit a Canadian made fighter that can use almost any of our lakes as a adhoc airfield. Just needs a wee update, that the taxpayers can pay for after we win the contract.


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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3165 on: October 21, 2020, 17:00:04 »
How about this one?

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3166 on: October 21, 2020, 18:00:15 »
It's American therefore bad

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3167 on: October 21, 2020, 18:38:07 »
It's American therefore bad

The Sea Dart was legit bad!

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3168 on: October 21, 2020, 18:46:11 »
The Sea Dart was legit bad!

I met one of Convairs TPs decades ago and he told me that the pounding at V1 was ludicrous.  They had a special drain in the oxygen mask because the pounding would empty anything in the pilot's sinuses...

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3169 on: October 21, 2020, 18:51:41 »
I met one of Convairs TPs decades ago and he told me that the pounding at V1 was ludicrous.  They had a special drain in the oxygen mask because the pounding would empty anything in the pilot's sinuses...

I like a good adrenaline rush but no thanks!

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3170 on: October 21, 2020, 21:46:28 »
I met one of Convairs TPs decades ago and he told me that the pounding at V1 was ludicrous.  They had a special drain in the oxygen mask because the pounding would empty anything in the pilot's sinuses...

That's a feature, not a bug   ;)
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3171 on: October 29, 2020, 14:53:41 »
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/boeing-would-perform-canadian-super-hornet-final-assembly-in-us

Boeing has confirmed that final assembly in the US vs in Canada. Hopefully the GoC starts realizing you can't ask for everything to be built here.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3172 on: October 29, 2020, 16:21:45 »
makes sense.  no point in investing in real estate,training manpower (sorry person power) jigs and all the rest for a small run.  Better to focus on long term investment.

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3173 on: October 29, 2020, 17:33:11 »
I don't know if that statement was released as a result of some MP's inquiring about the Super Hornet's being assembled here, but if thats the case - it goes to show how dumb some of the MP's actually are  :facepalm:

They have a steady production line already in place, with streamlined practices and a well trained work force.  They have solid orders from the USN not only for the Block 3, but to upgrade Block 2 Hornets when they are doing their SLEP.  This number fluctuates between 650 and 720 aircraft for the USN alone.

That doesn't include Hornet orders & upgrades for other countries as well.



Why on earth would Boeing set up a manufacturing facility in Canada for a mere 88 jets? 
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #3174 on: October 29, 2020, 18:30:40 »
Why on earth would Boeing set up a manufacturing facility in Canada for a mere 88 jets?

It's been done before - the MSVS SMP was assembled in Canada on a brownfield site which, a few decades before, had been a similar assembly line for the HLVW fleet.

We're pouring billions extra into Irving and SeaSpan to build ships for the RCN at a significant cost premium over buying hulls offshore.

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