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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #125 on: June 25, 2019, 14:00:37 »
Could it also be used to fight climate change ?

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #126 on: June 25, 2019, 14:09:48 »
With luck, this'll mean taxpayers won't be on the hook for any more free, forgivable loans to the Laurentien Elitists that own and operate Bombardier.
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #127 on: June 25, 2019, 14:14:03 »
With luck, this'll mean taxpayers won't be on the hook for any more free, forgivable loans to the Laurentien Elitists that own and operate Bombardier.

They still make business jets, trains, skidoos, Sea-doos and motor-trikes...lots of potential for taxpayers to still get in on the action.  :nod:

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #128 on: June 25, 2019, 16:31:40 »
Bombardier is now just corporate jets and trains

BRP is Sea Doos, Ski Doos, and CAN AM different company now

Viking (Longview) is all of DHC 02-08 plus water bomber.  They are building the Twin Otter and just got an order for 5 new build water bombers, plus the end of the Dash 8 production orders

Mitsi will be the CRJ they want the engineers, service division

Airbus is A220 the old CS100

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #129 on: June 25, 2019, 18:02:11 »
Bombardier is now just corporate jets and trains

BRP is Sea Doos, Ski Doos, and CAN AM different company now

Viking (Longview) is all of DHC 02-08 plus water bomber.  They are building the Twin Otter and just got an order for 5 new build water bombers, plus the end of the Dash 8 production orders

Mitsi will be the CRJ they want the engineers, service division

Airbus is A220 the old CS100

Ah, thought BRP was a subsidiary.  Happily stand corrected, although disappointed I can get a taxpayer/subsidizer discount on a Sea-Doo...  :(

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #130 on: June 25, 2019, 18:20:42 »
I've got a Bombardier Traxter ATV I'm looking to sell. 😉
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #131 on: June 25, 2019, 22:44:06 »
Close to Windsor ON?  I'm looking.

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #132 on: June 26, 2019, 10:49:54 »
Close to Windsor ON?  I'm looking.

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #133 on: February 08, 2020, 11:44:19 »
Look increasingly like there will soon no longer be any Bombardier Aviation on which to spend federal money:

1) Airliners:

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Airbus likely to acquire Bombardier's remaining stake in A220 passenger jet -sources
https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/airbus-likely-to-acquire-bombardiers-remaining-stake-in-a220-passenger-jet-sources

2) Bizets and rail:

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Bombardier in advanced talks to sell core units as debt woes loom
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-bombardier-in-talks-to-sell-either-of-its-main-businesses-as-it-tries/

3) Earlier, De Havilland and Canadair designs:

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Family control preserved Bombardier’s independence but at huge cost
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-family-control-preserved-bombardiers-independence-but-at-huge-cost/

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #134 on: February 08, 2020, 13:34:34 »
Their sole remaining business line will be extorting bailouts from government.
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #135 on: February 08, 2020, 15:45:46 »
Global 6000 x 5 to replace CC-144 VIP fleet.  Don’t count BBD out of the game, yet!

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #136 on: February 08, 2020, 16:11:39 »
Why not the 7500 series?
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2020, 16:30:02 »
CS Series to Airbus
Dash 8 to Viking
CRJ to Mitsubishi
Shorts and Structures to Spirit aerosytems
And it looks like the Global and lear lines to Textron according to WSJ this week. 

This is the end of a true Canadian Aerospace Champion and the slow death of aerospace industry in this county.  Sure there will be some plants and other engineering work but for all intents the home grown industry is over.

We are watching the
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2020, 16:30:23 »
Why not the 7500 series?
You got some used ones we can rebuild?

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2020, 16:38:26 »
And a fuller account of Bombardier's auguring in at this post--which of rail or bizjets will survive (and remember rail biz is mainly outside of Canada)?

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The End of Bombardier as We Know It–the All in the Family Debacle
https://mark3ds.wordpress.com/2020/02/08/the-end-of-bombardier-as-we-know-it-the-all-in-the-family-debacle/[/color]

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2020, 13:22:45 »
CS Series to Airbus
Dash 8 to Viking
CRJ to Mitsubishi
Shorts and Structures to Spirit aerosytems
And it looks like the Global and lear lines to Textron according to WSJ this week. 

This is the end of a true Canadian Aerospace Champion and the slow death of aerospace industry in this county.  Sure there will be some plants and other engineering work but for all intents the home grown industry is over.
Viking is still Canadian.  So at least we still have the twin Otter and the CL415

We are watching the

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #141 on: February 09, 2020, 13:57:21 »
Well time to go give money to Viking then to build some government aircraft
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #142 on: February 09, 2020, 14:20:27 »
VVIP Twin Otter fleet!
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #143 on: February 09, 2020, 14:53:06 »
Well time to go give money to Viking then to build some government aircraft

We could easily trade in our current twin Otter Fleet for new ones, but that won't happen till they open a plant back East.

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #144 on: February 09, 2020, 15:34:21 »
We could easily trade in our current twin Otter Fleet for new ones, but that won't happen till they open a plant back East.

https://defencemuse.wordpress.com/2017/06/09/twin-option-for-the-twin-otters-simple-solutions-are-often-the-best/

I'm guessing the life extension on the CC-138's has gone ahead.

The government prefers to give money away to Canadian business instead of supporting them via product purchases. I think the 7500 is larger than the 6000 as well as being longer ranged, either way the order book is full and would necessitate the government doing some creative thinking acquisition wise. Would the larger 7500 be of benefit over the 6000 as a VIP transport or mission support? Dash-8's, Twin Otters and Global Express/Challenger all produced in Canada but Defence Procurement system to broken to act. Likely two used Challenger 604's will be procured as suggested years ago as a stop gap.

I can't feel too sorry for Bombardier as they have had years to fix their issues especially in their train department. They reached too high with their aircraft plans but it's harder to fault them for that. I think they would be better at dumping the trains as it seems the division they have the worst handle on.

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #145 on: February 10, 2020, 10:14:07 »
The administration released a new budget. It will be interesting to see if there is funding for a Bombbardier jet to replace the one that crashed in Afghanistan

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/paris-air-show/2017/06/23/bombardier-takes-wait-and-see-approach-for-future-opportunities-in-us/.

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #146 on: February 10, 2020, 12:13:18 »
The administration released a new budget. It will be interesting to see if there is funding for a Bombbardier jet to replace the one that crashed in Afghanistan

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/paris-air-show/2017/06/23/bombardier-takes-wait-and-see-approach-for-future-opportunities-in-us/.

The US has developed a BACN pod that can be put on different aircraft and I bet they will replace the Global jet with a EQ-4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Airborne_Communications_Node


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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #147 on: February 10, 2020, 13:15:27 »
The US has developed a BACN pod that can be put on different aircraft and I bet they will replace the Global jet with a EQ-4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Airborne_Communications_Node

They already fly BACN on some RQ-4s

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/bringing-home-the-bacn-to-front-line-forces-05618/
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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #148 on: February 10, 2020, 16:15:16 »
The last couple posts are just making me hungry.

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Re: Seeking an excuse to spend Defence $$ on a Bombardier plane
« Reply #149 on: February 10, 2020, 16:22:13 »
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