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Mexican News
« on: July 01, 2018, 23:37:48 »
If he follows through on his promise to invade the US with illegals I see a worsening of relations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2018, 00:00:13 »
The U.S. may have to do something drastic, like build a wall or something....
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2018, 04:18:51 »
Mexicans in California voted in the election ?Is it legal ?I don't like it people voting in another countries election.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-mex-elect-20180628-story.html

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2018, 04:43:00 »
Mexicans in California voted in the election ?Is it legal ?I don't like it people voting in another countries election.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-mex-elect-20180628-story.html
expats vote all the time. https://www.economist.com/democracy-in-america/2016/11/02/american-voters-overseas-the-51st-state

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"AROUND 30m Americans have already voted in the 2016 election. This includes military ballots and early voting. Yet it also includes a cohort that is poorly represented: overseas Americans. Where Virginians and Nevadans militate for their concerns in the capital, expatriate issues like double-taxation are largely mute. The government bizarrely doesn’t keep tabs on their numbers, but estimates range from 9m (the State Department) to 1m (the number of overseas tax filers, representing an estimated 2.1m people). The Federal Voter Assistance Program estimates 5.7m."


"Other countries’ diaspora have occasionally amassed a mighty voice at home. In the 2007 French presidential election candidates visited London to woo the 300,000 citizens there, making the British capital France’s sixth largest city. Iraq’s election in 2005 might have been strongly influenced by the more than 1m Iraqis living abroad, but only a quarter of them registered to vote. In America’s 2012 election, 46m people, a third of all voters, cast early or absentee ballots. The most populous place for expats are Vancouver (183,000) and Tel Aviv (100,000). Indeed the day may come when presidential candidates make campaign stops in the 7th arrondissement or Roppongi Hills."


Why is it special when Mexicans do it?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2018, 05:25:29 »
There is a movement that wants Cali to leave the union.It doesn't stand much of a chance but with all the Hispanics in Cali they could vote to join Mexico.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2018, 07:29:54 »
If that's what they want ....  ;D

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2018, 09:00:29 »
If he follows through on his promise to invade the US with illegals I see a worsening of relations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp


Or it might be a tactic to use against trump to get what he wants.  Sounds familiar...
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2018, 11:04:07 »
If he follows through on his promise to invade the US with illegals I see a worsening of relations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp

Don't worry, President Trump "holds all the cards."  AMLO will be powerless to force anything on the President.

https://www.davidharrisjr.com/politics/mexican-candidate-vows-to-flood-us-with-illegals-calls-it-human-rights/

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Mexico has facilitated illegal aliens from Central and South America before, but if Obrador decides to go through with his threats, his country could pay a huge price. Just the remittances alone would wipe out a nice little chunk of their GDP to the tune of just over 1 trillion dollars a year. President Trump holds all the cards, but Obrador is a massive progressive populist, and as a member of the ruling class won’t feel the same debilitating effects as the average Mexican citizen.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2018, 11:58:45 »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/exit-polls-show-mexicos-lopez-obrador-winning-election-rivals-concede/ar-AAzs5xR?ocid=spartandhp

Addressing accusations of authoritarianism, Lopez Obrador told tens of thousands of supporters last week there would be no dictatorship. He promises to respect ....freedom of the press ....
Pity;  Trump seems to like dictators.  And that whole 'respecting the press' stuff.... that's just crazy talk.


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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2018, 12:06:09 »
Mexicans in California voted in the election ?Is it legal ?I don't like it people voting in another countries election.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-mex-elect-20180628-story.html

Lebanese Expats in Australia vote in Lebanon's elections.

http://www.ualm.org.au/historic-opportunity-vote-lebanons-elections-australia-closes-nov-20-2017/
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 12:12:32 »
Finally the media is picking up on the fact that being a populist is not just a right-wing tactic.

Also moved this over to Global Politics as I really don't see a Defense/Security nexus unless Mexico elected El Chapo.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2018, 12:15:53 »
UK citizens can vote in domestic elections from foreign locations for up to 15 years after immigrating from the U.K.

For many nations around the world, there is nothing seen as untoward to allow their expatriate citizens to vote in an election. :dunno:

All the best to the Mexican people, they are an incredibly hard working and warm people and deserve an improvement in their quality of life.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2018, 14:07:20 »
>There is a movement that wants Cali to leave the union.It doesn't stand much of a chance but with all the Hispanics in Cali they could vote to join Mexico.

Separation has been tried before.  At the least, it would trigger a genuine crisis.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2018, 14:49:41 »
There is a movement that wants Cali to leave the union.It doesn't stand much of a chance but with all the Hispanics in Cali they could vote to join Mexico.
what does this have to do with expats voting in mexican elections?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2018, 16:10:56 »
Cali joining Mexico would be a win win for Mexico.The main stumbling block is water.Cali gets theirs from border states.Actually some want to break Cali into 3 states,which wont work for the red states.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2018, 16:15:51 »
Between offering a true and unequivocal threat to the United States (unrestricted immigration) and the inevitable counter reactions, a socialist program which looks something like Venezuela on steroids and a very serious erosion of government power and authority caused by the Cartels war against the Mexican State, Mexico is going to be in for "Interesting Times", in the Chinese sense of the phrase.

A trillion dollar tax on remittances looks like a particularly lush, low hanging fruit, and the economic dislocations caused by the tariffs will certainly be deleterious to López Obrador's supporters and donors, especially if they are targeted by the US Administration to do so.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2018, 16:17:31 »
Cali joining Mexico would be a win win for Mexico.The main stumbling block is water.Cali gets theirs from border states.Actually some want to break Cali into 3 states,which wont work for the red states.
what does this have to do with the Mexican election?

I'm honestly confused as to how a election in Mexico leads to a discussion of California leaving the union.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2018, 17:34:54 »
Demographics and local politics, not to mention history.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2018, 18:34:43 »
what does this have to do with the Mexican election?

I'm honestly confused as to how a election in Mexico leads to a discussion of California leaving the union.
In 2015, 10.7 million immigrants comprised 27.3 percent of the population, how many of them do you think are Mexican?

Sounds like the new Mexican president is threatening weaponizing immigrants.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2018, 18:58:41 »
Sounds like the new Mexican president is threatening weaponizing immigrants.

Politicians have already weaponized them. Its slowly creeping up here, but everytime I listen to US Politics near an election its about this ethnic community vote or that ethnic community vote. People are analyzed down to gender, race, religion subgroups and targetted, or those groups are pushed to target another group. If the new Mexican President is talking about using immigrants/illegal migrants as political weapons to the US, it'll just galvanize the far-right in the US and push some centrists over to their side and blow up right in Mexico's face.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2018, 09:11:10 »
In 2015, 10.7 million immigrants comprised 27.3 percent of the population, how many of them do you think are Mexican?

Sounds like the new Mexican president is threatening weaponizing immigrants.
So let me get this straight.

People are fleeing Mexico because of drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship, and will vote in a non existent referendum to have California join Mexico in order to have a return to the drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship that they were fleeing in the first place?

Yeah, why not.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2018, 09:59:00 »
So let me get this straight.

People are fleeing Mexico because of drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship, and will vote in a non existent referendum to have California join Mexico in order to have a return to the drug wars, gang violence, police and military corruption, economic hardship that they were fleeing in the first place?

Yeah, why not.

Yup.

If the US government is ramping up deporting illegal immigrants it makes more sense for them to try and keep what they have and where they have it then go back to Mexico.

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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 10:05:44 »
Yup.

If the US government is ramping up deporting illegal immigrants it makes more sense for them to try and keep what they have and where they have it then go back to Mexico.
Here's the issue with this.

Illegals aren't voting in any California referendum, are they?

And those here legally aren't at risk at being rounded up and deported, and probably have little sympathy for those here illegally, nor do they want a return to mexico.

Your logic is flawed.
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 10:12:49 »
Here's the issue with this.

Illegals aren't voting in any California referendum, are they?

And those here legally aren't at risk at being rounded up and deported, and probably have little sympathy for those here illegally, nor do they want a return to mexico.

Your logic is flawed.

I think what's flawed is your geography.  Unless you moved to the US?
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Re: Mexican News
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 10:14:41 »
I think what's flawed is your geography.  Unless you moved to the US?
Please elaborate on that point.

Unless you live in California.
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