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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #450 on: March 06, 2019, 12:15:55 »
If you want to follow what Butts is telling the committee, CPAC's Twitter feed continues to give good gems via CPAC's reporter on the scene ...
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Liberal @R_Boissonnault asks @gmbutts why PMO kept speaking to @Puglaas on SNC-Lavalin if her decision was already made. Butts repeats that he was not aware that she had made a decision on the matter.

Was there a concerted effort within PMO to make @Puglaas change her mind? "No," says @gmbutts. He says it is "inconceivable" to him that Elder Marques and Mathieu Bouchard would engage in such behaviour, describing them as "sterling" lawyers.

.@ColinFraserMP now asking about @gmbutts's Dec. 5 meeting with @Puglaas at the Château Laurier. Butts says she's the one who brought up the issue of SNC-Lavalin, says he can't recall* her mentioning any pressure on her or her staff.

“What possibly could you have understood [@Puglaas's] answer to be other than ‘no,’” asks @Cooper4SAE, on repeated attempts to get an outside legal opinion. @gmbutts says he was not pressuring anyone "in any shape or form" to overturn their decision.

If this was wrong, why are we having this conservation now, rather than in September, October, November, asks @gmbutts, appearing to suggest again that @Puglaas did not raise her concerns sufficiently early on.

Rankin raises the Dec. 5 meeting between @gmbutts and @Puglaas, where she reportedly spoke of a “barrage” of people “hounding” her and her staff. @gmbutts says he has no recollection* of Wilson-Raybould saying such a thing.

PMO wanted attorney general to seek "independent advice" from external jurists; says "that was the entirety of our advice to the attorney gen., which we made clear she was free to accept or not"; says AG was also free to accept/reject the external advice

#DenyDeflect

* - Remember that "remember vs. recall" thing? ;)
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #451 on: March 06, 2019, 12:19:25 »
If you want to follow what Butts is telling the committee, CPAC's Twitter feed continues to give good gems via CPAC's reporter on the scene ...
#DenyDeflect

* - Remember that "remember vs. recall" thing? ;)

She made notes. He didn't. Guess who I'm more inclined to believe?
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #452 on: March 06, 2019, 12:26:18 »
She made notes. He didn't. Guess who I'm more inclined to believe?
You're far from alone ...

Also, the attached is making the rounds of social media as well (this happened with others, too - see second attachment - while nobody asked JWR to swear in according to the official transcript) -- here's what "the rules" say:
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... Swearing-in of Witnesses

A witness appearing before a committee may be required to take an oath or make a solemn affirmation; however, under normal circumstances, witnesses are not sworn in. The decision as to the swearing-in of witnesses is entirely at the discretion of the committee. A witness who refuses to be sworn in might face a charge of contempt. Likewise, the refusal to answer questions or failure to reply truthfully may give rise to a charge of contempt of the House, whether the witness has been sworn in or not. In addition, witnesses who lie under oath may be charged with perjury.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #453 on: March 06, 2019, 12:58:37 »
Not putting Butts under oath is a mistake on the grit's part. It brings untruthful coverup into play. The old 'If you did nothing wrong, there's no need to be worried' goes both ways. If not taken or a refusal to take it, it looks like they're spinning it and hiding things.

Even under oath, I don't think Butts is capable of telling the truth. Like many, I'll just assume everything he is doing is to cover his buddy's ***. Whether that's legal or, possibly, illegal activity. I don't think he's aware of the difference.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #454 on: March 06, 2019, 13:01:12 »
Jody Wilson-Raybould.

Chief Bill Wilson

Chief Judy Wilson, chief of the Neskonlith Indian Band in B.C, the secretary-treasury of the Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs (UBCIC)

I know that Bill Wilson is Ms Jody Wilson-Raybould's father.

Does anyone know if there is any relationship to Chief Judy Wilson?

They seem to be from different tribes; apparently Canada decided to give them all 'good Christian names' at some point in the 1800s so that's why there are a lot of unrelated people with the same name.  Here's a link talking about the Indian Naming Act. https://www.ictinc.ca/indian-act-naming-policies

As an aside, that's yet another pretty messed up part of colonization. Reading the reconciliation report really undercut a lot of what I thought about Canada as a country, so look at things with a lot more grey now.  Embarrassed as a Canadian that there are so many reservations without potable water, while the GoC pisses away billions on things that don't matter.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #455 on: March 06, 2019, 13:08:41 »
She made notes. He didn't. Guess who I'm more inclined to believe?

It will come down to who sounds more credible on the evening newscasts.  Wernick's testimony can be expected to shore up Butts while undermining JWR.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #456 on: March 06, 2019, 13:10:20 »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-drop-the-poses-trudeau-you-owe-this-country-a-real-explanation

Rex Murphy: Drop the poses Trudeau. You owe this country a real explanation

Don’t talk fatuously of the 'bigger picture.' There is no bigger picture than whether you are morally entitled to govern

Rex Murphy   

March 5, 2019 6:08 PM EST

Fortuna, the wayward goddess, has abandoned her dalliance with Justin Trudeau. What he wins from here on, if he wins at all, will be on his own work, not her flippant favour.

The socks and the selfies are inert now, those props are dated, all their quaint magic gone. Even the rolled-up sleeves and the loosely knotted tie (his let’s-all-get-to-work look) come over now as a parody of the posing politician, the silk-vest patrician at the steel plant vainly affecting to identify with the sweating hard hats on the shop floor.

None of it is working anymore. The familiar gestures are all too self-conscious, the slogans dated and flaccid, the whole play-acting schtick is dead and worse - boring. And the speeches! Monday night’s in Toronto (to launch the election-year global-warming roadshow during a -19C cold alert ) verged on the manic; parts of the opening in particular were something you might have heard in the ancient Sunday morning revivalists’ broadcasts back in the Dark Ages of early television, Jimmy Swaggart or Garner Ted Armstrong raging against the darkness. It was eerie.

The two-minute concessionary acknowledgment of Jane Philpott’s resignation was insultingly perfunctory, swaddled in all the usual pompousness of “diversity” and “listening to other views,” utterly out of touch with the gravity and import of her departure, and the moral indictment of his government in which she framed it.

Here’s where we are. After these two key resignations, on a principle as central as the rule of law, after accusations that he and his administration wished to bend or break that rule of law, Mr. Trudeau has either to drop out altogether, or, start acting like the full man, and directly, without intermediaries, face the challenge that confronts his government.

Drop the poses. Choke off the slogans and pieties. Leave the jacket on. Sit down and speak to Canadians in detail on the moral and legal questions these two most serious ministers have put to him. Cut the theatricals. Don’t talk fatuously of the “bigger picture.” There is no bigger picture than whether you are morally entitled to govern.

Drop, too, the jobs cloak. There are too many unbuilt pipelines and an entire region that has been shedding jobs by the tens of thousands, while your government was writing Bill C-69, dancing at global-warming summits aimed at shutting down the oil industry, and writing new hymns to job-killing carbon taxes, for you now to pose as a job creator, and to shamelessly posit that saving SNC-Lavalin’s jobs was worth mauling the rule of law.

Ms. Philpott’s exercise of her choice is, in its way, even more explosive than Ms. Jody Wilson-Raybould’s. The latter was harassed over months; she was the focus and centre of the pressure campaign to desert her responsibilities as attorney general. The impact on her was direct. All that pressure, the special pleading and the veiled threats could understandably colour her judgment. Not to say, actually, that they did - but as a postulate, let us consider that.

But then we come to Ms. Philpott, arguably (pace Chrystia Freeland) the most adult, accomplished, unabrasive minister in Trudeau’s entire cabinet, welcomed in the early days as a lustrous ornament to his “new way of doing politics” and regarded since her arrival and service in many portfolios as singularly efficient and superbly competent.

This is the woman who resigned yesterday. Not some whining, marginal backbencher, with far less talent than ego, nursing a grudge over getting passed by.

Ms. Philpott, in one manner of speaking, was outside the contest, but being in cabinet, having been there when Ms. Wilson-Raybould presented to it, and to caucus - we may presume she’s heard the full tale. And having heard it, both sides, she concludes she has to resign; that the price (too high) for staying in this cabinet after what has been done to Jody Wilson-Raybould, is the sacrifice of her personal integrity and a scar on her conscience.

Philpott’s resignation, intrinsically linked to the case made by Wilson-Raybould, is a bolt of winter lightning to the central nervous system of the Trudeau government.

Does anyone in the Prime Minister’s Office now actually believe that hauling out the knackered horse of climate change, placing Catherine McKenna in its tendentious, preachy saddle to tag-team with Justin, is going to - in that woeful cliché - change the channel?

If they do, they are delusional. They haven’t just drunk the Kool-Aid, they’ve poured it in the hot tub first, had a full splash-bathe-and-back-rub, and drunk the leavings.

I have a thought. Seeing what remains of their commitments to changing the voting system, abandoning omnibus bills, being open and transparent, remaining dedicated to the rule of law, unlocking Alberta’s oil - seeing where the Trudeau government is on all of these abandoned/mismanaged files - why should anyone think that even on its golden child of an issue, climate change, it is really any more serious or committed than on any of the others? Climate change might just be the last big pose.

A word on Gerry Butts’ longed-for appearance Wednesday morning: Why is Gerry Butts appearing? He doesn’t even work there anymore. Why all this drama for an ex-employee when the CEO is still on the premises - and he’s the one, the only one, who has all the answers.

Gerry is of course welcome to come by later. Enough for now though with the surrogates and deputies. Two serious women of unsullied integrity, who committed their fortunes to joining your government, have told the public that morally they could stay no longer.

Mr. Trudeau owes them the courtesy of an answer, and the country of which he is the prime minister, a candid and complete accounting.

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The SNC-Lavalin affair has reduced the Liberals to a risky strategem: betting their opponents are a bigger turn-off than they are

by Jason Markusoff  Mar 5, 2019

Monday afternoon’s cabinet resignation by Jane Philpott plunged Justin Trudeau deeper into the most rapidly festering crisis of his government’s term. On Monday evening, Trudeau sought refuge by time-travelling back to the fall of 2015, when he was pluckily racing from third place to first, and when SNC-Lavalin was still a bribery-marred infrastructure giant that at least didn’t help create existential problems for his political career.

Here was slightly retro Trudeau, now Prime Minister but still with red tie loosened under an open collar button, white sleeves rolled up just so. He offered platitudes about hard work in a voice that was home-stretch hoarse. He even ended his rally speech the same was as in days of yore: “Let’s go knock doors because we know better is always possible!”

Sure, Trudeau touched the fresh departure of a second cabinet minister, and even laid hints at a strategic change of tone in his scattershot defence of this messy affair. But he quickly dispensed with those lines in favour of a nascent stump speech. “At the same time, my friends, we need to keep in mind the bigger picture behind this fantastic movement we have built, and continue to build.” At this event, his focus was mainly on the Liberal climate change plan as a point of sharp contrast with Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer, whose approach to climate change remains unknown. “The first thing he’d do as Prime Minister is make pollution free again,” Trudeau said, cuing up the partisans’ boo-hiss-shame.

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They may try to wave off this political quagmire and transport back to a time when Trudeau lacked such grim ethical baggage. They may prefer a straight head-to-head with Scheer on policy (and dismiss Jagmeet Singh’s NDP entirely, in part to depict 2019’s election as a binary choice).The Liberals did, after all, survive the first election after the sponsorship scandal with a minority (2004) and were leading in the polls through much of the second one (2006) before losing to Stephen Harper’s Conservatives. But that was only after Paul Martin had replaced Jean Chretien, the Prime Minister who presided over that ugly bout of grift-and-graft. In today’s scandal, barring future developments, the person at the top of the Liberal ticket has been personally fingered as responsible.

Trudeau is clearly aiming to make this election heavily about the planet’s future and climate change. But on its face, this strategem also seems fraught. First, because the Conservatives seem content to make this fall’s vote a referendum on the carbon tax. Second, because voters who will think first and foremost about the climate might also gulp anxiously about a political party that bought an oil pipeline project. Third, because the most slogan-like line from last night’s speech - “It’s 2019, and if you don’t have a plan for climate change, then you don’t have a plan for the economy and you certainly don’t have a plan for Canada’s future” - may last only until Scheer actually brings forth some sort of plan. And then, Trudeau might be reduced to debating details, not putting his own imperfect plan up against a void.

Trudeau’s team also seems to want to shrug off ethical choices on their leader’s part yet hammer Scheer on his. His speech at last month’s multi-purpose rally of western truckers who want pipelines and, toxically, don’t want certain immigrants seems to now be at the centre of that argument. “There are a number of people who are incredibly worried that we are going to lose the progress that we have made and we are going to see a government that is led by an individual who has coddled Yellow Vesters,” Toronto MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith told CBC on Tuesday.

Certainly, problematic links to xenophobes and problematic trampling over prosecutorial independence are separate, hard-to-compare concerns. But these are, it seems, the alternatives voters will have to reckon with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/justin-trudeaus-rise-to-power-seemed-charmed-now-he-faces-a-fight-for-his-political-life/2019/03/05/19db9ae0-3f60-11e9-85ad-779ef05fd9d8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f078abaf008d

Justin Trudeau’s rise to power seemed charmed. Now he faces a fight for his political life.

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau rose to power as a press-whispering, selfie-snapping progressive icon who promised transparency and went viral for promoting women.

But after four years in the spotlight, Trudeau’s government faces accusations of shady brokering and backroom bullying, of sexism and hypocrisy. Though Trudeau has tried to defend his government’s actions, he seems, suddenly, at a loss for words - at least the right ones.

Former members of his cabinet are speaking out. The press is having a field day. Maclean’s, a national magazine, ran a cover with picture of a grinning Trudeau and the words, “The Imposter,” in all caps. Foreign Policy asked whether Canada’s “golden boy” has lost his shine.

The scope of the scandal is such that many Canadians are wondering if he will hold on to his majority government in the upcoming election.

Whatever happens, Trudeau’s rock star status seems like a thing of the past.

“The problem is that this particular scandal goes to his carefully crafted image,” said Christopher Sands, director of the Center for Canadian Studies at Johns Hopkins University in Washington.

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Nik Nanos, a Canadian pollster, said it was unusual to see Trudeau’s usually savvy team struggle to reshape the narrative. “They have been on the defensive almost daily,” he said. “We have only really heard one side of the story, plus little snippets from the prime minister.”

That may change. On Wednesday, Butts will deliver testimony, giving the government a chance to lay out what happened on its end. 

His challenge, analysts said, will be to defend Trudeau’s handling of the case without appearing to undermine two highly respected women.

If he takes a combative rather than a conciliatory approach, Butts risks alienating the voters who helped Trudeau win office.

Sands said Trudeau’s treatment of Wilson-Raybould, particularly the demotion, made him look like an “angry male boss.”

To survive, he will need to set a new tone, he said. “I think he grovels his way out of it, maybe.”

http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/2930/fed-horserace-march-2019/

Conservatives Leading Over Liberal March 4, 2019 @ 4:54 PM

If an election were held today, Conservatives would secure majority

Toronto, March 5th - In a random sampling of public opinion taken by The Forum Poll™ among 1301 Canadian voters, with those decided and leaning, 4 in 10 (42%) say they would support the Conservatives, with a third (33%) saying they would support the Liberals.

1 in 10 (12%) say they would support the NDP, with a few (5%) supporting the Green Party, BQ (3%), or the People’s Party of Canada (4%), or another party (1%).

Respondents most likely to support the Conservatives include those who live in the Prairies (Alberta 69%), males (53%), between the ages of 35-44 (47%), and the most wealthy (49%).

Respondents most likely to say they support the Liberals include those who live in the Atlantic region (55%), those between the ages of 45 to 54 (36%), 55 to 64 (36%), and 65 and over (37%), females (41%), those earning $20k-$40k (38%) or $40k-$60k (41%), and those with post-graduate degrees (43%).

If an election were held today, these results suggest the Conservatives would win a majority government of 185 seats. The Liberals would serve as the official opposition with 129 seats. The NDP would secure 18, the BQ 5, and the Greens 1.

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When asked if Canada is doing better or worse than it was 4 years ago, over half stated it was worse (BTM2: 59%), with a third (35%) saying it’s much worse. 4-in-10 respondents (TOP2: 41%) say it is better, with about 1 in 10 (13%) saying it’s much better.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #457 on: March 06, 2019, 13:20:32 »
Not putting Butts under oath is a mistake on the grit's part. It brings untruthful coverup into play. The old 'If you did nothing wrong, there's no need to be worried' goes both ways. If not taken or a refusal to take it, it looks like they're spinning it and hiding things.
That can be a two-edged sword, too, though.  Is anybody believing JWR any less because nobody asked her to swear in and she didn't offer to?  Good for the goose ...  Besides, the rules say he can be dinged with Contempt of Parliament if he's found to be lying -- I'm suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure that'll happen, right?  :rofl:

Meanwhile, for more tea-leaf reading, here's a text of Butts' opening statement.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #458 on: March 06, 2019, 13:45:27 »

Meanwhile, for more tea-leaf reading, here's a text of Butts' opening statement.

Too pat. If you believe Butts, I have swamp land to get rid of. :rofl:
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #459 on: March 06, 2019, 13:49:08 »
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #460 on: March 06, 2019, 14:03:35 »
One thing jumped out at me while reading a new story on Butts' testimony. According to the National Post, Butts remarked, " ask you whether or not that is in keeping with my character to do such a thing".

Recently, I was listening to Dr. Phil on Joe Rogan's podcast. For those who don't know, before Dr. Phil became a TV celebrity he worked in litigation as a consultant, often on deception detection. This is actually how he met Oprah. He mentioned that a common theme of people who are lying is to appeal to their character, "You know me, does that sound like me?". This isn't definitive by any stretch of the imagination but it is more food for thought.

Personally, the fact he was a big part of the McGuinty government as his principal secretary doesn't speak well of his character.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #461 on: March 06, 2019, 14:38:58 »
Listening to Wernick speak, I'm starting to think that the role of the AG is not the only role that needs critical review for independence.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #462 on: March 06, 2019, 14:44:31 »
Butts is the architect of Ontario's Green Energy Plan. He hailed himself far and wide as the single, most important guy that made it happen, all by himself.

Until it started coming apart, then he blamed everyone else and stopped taking credit.
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« Reply #463 on: March 06, 2019, 14:48:18 »
He's definitely the guy most responsible for ruining the rural landscape of Ontario by saturating farmland with grotesque orchards of windmills.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #464 on: March 06, 2019, 15:14:11 »
He's definitely the guy most responsible for ruining the rural landscape of Ontario by saturating farmland with grotesque orchards of windmills.

And they are grotesque....driving up Highway 10 to Shelburne is a visual nightmare.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #465 on: March 06, 2019, 15:22:18 »
Wernick -

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...Like the former Minister, I have sought legal advice about what I can and cannot say today. I have been advised not to opine on the Minister’s reasoning or state of mind because some of the issues are or will be before the Courts.

Is anybody aware of any information in the public domain to suggest that this matter is or will be before the Courts?  Do I hear an echo of the PM's pronouncements prior to the VAdm Norman case?

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Finally, the Committee may wish to hold hearings on the Attorney General of Canada’s Directive on Civil Litigation Involving Indigenous Peoples, issued by the former Attorney General on January 11, 2019. The Directive to all Government of Canada litigators could mark a profound change in Canada’s legal landscape. However, it could be repealed or gutted at the stroke of a pen and turn to ashes. All political parties now need to be clear with Canadians on the future of this Directive.

I don't sense any overt threat there, nor any personal animus, "Jus' business!"
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #466 on: March 06, 2019, 15:25:34 »
I am enjoying the evolution of the word "truth".

There is "Truth" and there is "perception and opinion".  Who and what are you going to believe?

Experts or the court of public opinion.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #467 on: March 06, 2019, 15:30:56 »
And they are grotesque....driving up Highway 10 to Shelburne is a visual nightmare.

Try driving west of Chatham into Windsor.....its hard enough going back to Windsor, the dozens of windmills as far as the eye can see along the 401 doesn't make it any easier.....

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #468 on: March 06, 2019, 15:33:57 »
Is anybody aware of any information in the public domain to suggest that this matter is or will be before the Courts?
Well, SNC's lawyered up, JWR's lawyered up, and it sounds like a final decision hasn't been made re:  SNC's prosecution, so maybe he meant "could be in the courts".  Or his legal beagles are being cautious in their advice to him.  Or who knows what civil litigation lurks hinted at in the background?
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #469 on: March 06, 2019, 15:46:08 »
Well, SNC's lawyered up, JWR's lawyered up, and it sounds like a final decision hasn't been made re:  SNC's prosecution, so maybe he meant "could be in the courts".  Or his legal beagles are being cautious in their advice to him.  Or who knows what civil litigation lurks hinted at in the background?
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #470 on: March 06, 2019, 16:01:25 »
Joking aside, I wonder if the Good Clerk is getting his cases confused....


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Vice-Admiral Mark Norman's lawyer is threatening to call Gerald Butts and Privy Council clerk Michael Wernick to testify in open court if they don't produce a series of documents that she says are essential to defend her client.

Lawyer Marie Henein issued the ultimatum during a brief pre-trial hearing on Wednesday even as Butts, who recently resigned as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's top aide, was testifying before a House of Commons committee on the SNC-Lavalin affair.

Henein noted that she has been fighting since October for records from the Prime Minister's Office and the Privy Council Office, including with subpoenas last month for Trudeau's, Butts's and Wernick's emails, BlackBerry messages and other communications.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/vice-admiral-mark-norman-s-lawyer-threatens-to-call-butts-wernick-to-stand-1.4324614

Curious how hard it has been for the Mr. Butts to recover information on the Norman case vs how quickly he has been able to recover information on the Lavalin case.

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Raitt: asks how Butts was able to review his texts if he doesn't have his govt phone any more.
Butts: his legal counsel obtained the texts

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Raitt: I'm asking how if you gave up your phone when you left the PMO that you still had access to the phone to receive the texts. If you didn't have access who picked the texts for you to receive and look at? #cdnpoli #SNCLavalin #JUST

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Raitt: asks how Butts was able to review his texts if he doesn't have his govt phone any more.
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Apparently Butts's legal counsel is the Liberal Party counsel.

 
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In the #JUST committee room, Butts just leaned back and a quick word with #LPC lawyer Michael Fenrick. So I think one could assume that Fenrick is also counsel for Butts in this matter. #cdnpoli


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After consulting with the #LPC counsel sitting behind him at #JUST, Butts tells @lraitt that all of the personal texts he is in possession of that he made on his govt smartphone have been read into the record.


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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #471 on: March 06, 2019, 16:04:05 »
Joking aside, I wonder if the Good Clerk is getting his cases confused....
You only JUST beat me to sharing the TorSun version of this one  :rofl:
Apparently Butts's legal counsel is the Liberal Party counsel.
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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #472 on: March 06, 2019, 16:17:01 »
I am, at heart, a seven year old.  Thus every time I read the name of the individual who resigned, my mind always goes to the same place.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #473 on: March 06, 2019, 16:25:33 »
Jen Gerson has a wonderful opinion piece in the NY Times

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There is a particularly quaint element to Canada — our smallness, our politeness, our insularity — that makes many people, including many Canadians, assume the best about our country and ourselves. As if these qualities make us inherently purer than other, more populous countries.

It’s true that Canadians are a trusting, generous lot who generally believe in the greater good, institutions and the rule of law. Consequently, the country is prone to imagining itself more bound by a mythology of its own goodness than it actually is. But there’s a darker side to Canada’s smallness. Our tiny network of political, business and intellectual elite is insular and concentrated.

The scandal now enveloping Prime Minister Justin Trudeau — a bilingual, feminist, pro-multicultural liberal who embodies much of what we like to celebrate in our national character — should put an end to this.

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The rule of law is a very grand Canadian virtue until, it seems, it proves to be a barrier to Liberal electoral prospects in Quebec. It is a small country, after all.

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Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #474 on: March 06, 2019, 16:35:14 »
Other curiousities from today

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Raitt is questioning why Wernick took Kevin Lynch's call (now chairman of SNC board, former clerk of the Privy Council) #cdnpoli

12:29 PM - 6 Mar 2019

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Here is the October 9 letter. DPP staffer Richard Roy reminds SNC-Lavalin that ”her decision” — meaning Kathleen Roussel’s — was communicated September 4 and all the DPP is doing in the face of a volley of SNC communications is saying they continue to be of this view.



Apparently JWR's testimony is that she communicated her decision on the SNC matter, closing the file in her mind, on Sept 17 in conversation with the Prime Minister.

Judging from Butts's testimony the PM failed to communicate the decision to his Clerk or the PMO

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I'm (Edit - Vassy Kapelos) re-looking at JWR's opening statement to find out if/when she communicated her (Edit - JWR) decision. She (Edit - JWR) says on Sept 17 she met with PM "I told him that I had done my due diligence, and made up my mind on SNC and that I was not going to interfere with the decision of the DPP"

In my view Drouin's testimony marches with JWR's


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Drouin says she talked to JWR by phone on Sept 5, SNC discussed on the margins. Agreed dept would provide advice on role of AG in this matter. #cdnpoli

Drouin says she provided this advice. Says it would be very important for the AG to be comfortable with the DPP's decision. AG entitled to receive as much info as necessary from the DPP.

Drouin says she spoke with DM of Finance, who had questions about role of AG. Drouin says she provided draft opinion to AG's office Sept 8th.

Drouin says first face to face meeting with JWR was Sept 17, later she says on Sept 18 they debrief JWR convo with PM. JWR tells Drouin she's uncomfortable with content of conversation.

Drouin: after Sept 19, I didn't have any further involvement on file with JWR and staff. 2 exceptions: Oct 19: judicial review of DPP decision filed, near end of Oct Privy Council office asked for dept advice on impact of SNC if DPA not pursued - advice not provided bc minister


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