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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #100 on: July 17, 2020, 12:57:31 »
BHR was in the rotation to provide F35B's in the Pacific. Now how to fill the gap ? The Tripoli was just commisioned so it has a couple of years of workups. The article I linked to offers 2 solutions dip into the Reserve fleet and activate a Tarawa class LHA or extend the deployments of existing ships.

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/2020/07/13/the-bonhomme-richard-fire-deals-a-blow-to-the-navys-designs-in-the-indo-pacific/

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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2020, 14:47:40 »
I suspect they could redeploy an asset from the Persian Gulf with minimal impact on operations there.


We aren't going to war with Iran anytime soon.

Between bases in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, etc - there is PLENTY of airpower and places to deploy airpower in the region.  The US could redeploy an amphib from the Persian Gulf, and unless a flown blown war with Iran kicks off - I imagine there would be minimal impact in the area.   :2c:
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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #102 on: July 17, 2020, 20:24:00 »
UK CSG will be online next January and is deploying to SCS.  The USMC has qualified their F35B* on HMS Queen Elizabeth, and have also flight deck qualifies the Osprey and the CH53.  I believe the operational intent was that  USMC would usually operate off her decks in some capacity. The carrier has +++ room for RM Commando’s who I think are deploying with her.  The USN will be escorting and probably resupplying the ship anyway. Timing probably couldn’t be better to take on-board USMC air assets and flex those inter-op muscles the RN has promised with the carrier.

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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #103 on: July 17, 2020, 23:58:07 »



We aren't going to war with XXXX anytime soon.


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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2020, 00:38:52 »
I suspect they could redeploy an asset from the Persian Gulf with minimal impact on operations there.


We aren't going to war with Iran anytime soon.

Between bases in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, Qatar, Bahrain, etc - there is PLENTY of airpower and places to deploy airpower in the region.  The US could redeploy an amphib from the Persian Gulf, and unless a flown blown war with Iran kicks off - I imagine there would be minimal impact in the area.   :2c:

I expect that these days it must be an interesting risk analysis as to what are the "must do operations", "should do operations", "could do operations", and "no need to do operations".

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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #105 on: July 19, 2020, 00:26:50 »

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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #106 on: July 19, 2020, 03:32:46 »
That sucks, lets hope they only get minor symptoms.

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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #107 on: July 27, 2020, 12:25:05 »
National Interest article about the aftermath of the disaster. At a cost of $750m this ship type is a bargain.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/burning-uss-bonhomme-richard-could-mean-problems-us-navy-165497

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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #108 on: July 27, 2020, 12:44:59 »
Reading more carefully, that was when the ship was built - now they cost on the order of $4B, while the Ford cost almost $12B. 

This will definitely send ripples through the planning offices...
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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #109 on: July 27, 2020, 16:09:01 »
Reading more carefully, that was when the ship was built - now they cost on the order of $4B, while the Ford cost almost $12B. 

This will definitely send ripples through the planning offices...

That is a pretty hefty sum.
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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard on fire
« Reply #110 on: July 27, 2020, 16:51:18 »
Reading more carefully, that was when the ship was built - now they cost on the order of $4B, while the Ford cost almost $12B. 

This will definitely send ripples through the planning offices...




Does it suck to lose a large capital ship, especially with those types of capabilities?  Absolutely.  To lose that type of ship and not lose a single crew member is an absolute blessing. 

Is it a total "We can't do this mission now, because we don't have this ship..." equation?  No, not when you are the USN anyway.



Like we've discussed upthread, and in other threads, they may have to readjust resources from one theatre to another.  But it isn't the end of the world. 

Do they NEED a carrier strike group in the Persian Gulf at all times?  I'd argue not.  Not when you have air bases in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey (possibly write that off though, not reliable) Qatar, Bahrain, etc.  There's no shortage of US military bases in the region to launch aircraft from, and you can still take out key Iranian targets with Tomahawk strikes via other surface ships.

The LCS, as useless as it is without being tasked as a designated ASW ship, could actually be ideal for the Persian Gulf.  Distances aren't too far, they can whip around the area pretty quick, and they already have the weaponry to deal with Iranian small boats using the same weapons the larger destroyers would use.  (Deck guns, .50 cal machine guns, hellfire missiles, etc.)



Will they have to adjust their near term plans?  Yes.  Does it suck that the ship was just finishing a massive upgrade & overhaul?  That's rubbing salt in the wound, ouch.  But, is it a mission killer for the USN?  No.

If anything, they may be forced to adjust their deployment structure to be a little more conservative than they are used to.  Aka, welcome to the rest of us   ;)



*Lets not forget, the new USMC doctrine actually calls for fewer large capital ships.  This ship went in for refits long before the new doctrine was announced, and the day after the fire was out, a new ship USS Tripoli was commissioned.  The USMC isn't wasting any time at all in rapidly adjusting their units to match their new doctine, with tank units and artillery units both losing their tanks & guns already.  So while it was a sad ending to a proud ship, this ship may have been on it's way out of their ORBAT anyway.   :2c:
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