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Re: [Re: Winter Warfare]
« on: September 22, 2002, 09:34:00 »
Posted by Jay Paton <jazscam@netscape.net> on 16 Oct 00 00:27:06 PDT
If you have the luxury of a vehicle ski-doo, coco matting works very well as
a floor for a tent 5/10 man.  Some form of eye protection for snow blindness
and wind.
"John A. Poh"  wrote:
Canadian Army teaching circa late ‘50‘s - 1960‘s was for weapons to be
kept outside of tent to prevent sweating. Churchill and North didn‘t
provide luxury of having trees to provide insulating layer for tent
floor. Never encountered floored tents neither any heat after going to
bed in arctic tent - too much nylon in tent, clothes and equipment. One
has only to see once a panel of the inner liner go up in flames to have
a great respect for flame of any kind inside the Tent, Arctic, Nylon, 5
Man or 10 man, that is not watched constantly.
Nothing requires more mental preparation than the first visit to the
outdoors for "The Big One" when it is minus 40 degrees. Hard to believe
that only the hands and feet get cold when the behind is exposed to the
great outdoors! Then again, the body protects its inner self first, and
cuts down blood supply to extremities when necessary, thus the cold
hands and feet.
Apart from snow snakes and snow worms  some of which look suspiciously
like limp cooked spaghetti, another great no-no was to not eat a polar
bears liver - far too rich in vitamins for human consumption.
For Ian: I believe we harken back to the same era 1953 - 1991. Ever been
to Germany when Brigade was in Soest Area??
John
Michael McDermott wrote:
> Ian,
> We actually erected our tents 10 Man and lay ponchos in
> between layers of fallen pine branches for cushioning.
> Quite comfortable.  In regards to our weapons, ten man
> tents had two layers of canvas between that 1st and 2nd
> layer we‘d lay our weapons with the ejection ports facing
> up.  This way, we could get our tents HOT and not have to
> worry about having our weapons sweat and freeze from having
> a thin layer of water in the bolt carrier group.  Very
> effective.
>
> I was a leg from Feb 92-94, and airborne until ‘95.
>
> mike
>
> --- Ian Edwards  wrote:
> > Were you with them when they had wooden floors in their
> > arctic tents?
> > Wasn‘t there myself, but heard it firsthand from some who
> > had been,
> > circa 1975.
> >
> > Michael McDermott wrote:
> > >
> > > Having served with an American Airborne unit in Alaska,
> > > USA, I can only say that the only sock that counts...is
> > the
> > > sock you wear on your jim-jam if you know what I
> > mean.
> > > Also, not being in the Marines also helps...:
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > --- Mike Oleary  wrote:
> > > > The 3/25 Bn USMCR does coldweather training
> > evolutions.
> > > > They should be able
> > > > to help him also.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > The Regimental Rogue
> > > > 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
> > > >  http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Garett Hallman
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Winter Warfare
> > > > >
> > > > > > Theres a US Marine asking for tips and
> > suggestions
> > > > concerning winter
> > > > > > warfare on a bulletin board I frequent.  Any tips
> > and
> > > > suggestions I can
> > > > > > pass on?
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Re: Winter Warfare]
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2002, 09:38:00 »
Posted by Michael McDermott <apache501@yahoo.com> on Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:59:56 -0700 (PDT)
Jay,
Good idea.
mike
--- Jay Paton  wrote:
> If you have the luxury of a vehicle ski-doo, coco
> matting works very well as
> a floor for a tent 5/10 man.  Some form of eye
> protection for snow blindness
> and wind.
>
>
> "John A. Poh"  wrote:
> Canadian Army teaching circa late ‘50‘s - 1960‘s was for
> weapons to be
> kept outside of tent to prevent sweating. Churchill and
> North didn‘t
> provide luxury of having trees to provide insulating
> layer for tent
> floor. Never encountered floored tents neither any heat
> after going to
> bed in arctic tent - too much nylon in tent, clothes and
> equipment. One
> has only to see once a panel of the inner liner go up in
> flames to have
> a great respect for flame of any kind inside the Tent,
> Arctic, Nylon, 5
> Man or 10 man, that is not watched constantly.
>
> Nothing requires more mental preparation than the first
> visit to the
> outdoors for "The Big One" when it is minus 40 degrees.
> Hard to believe
> that only the hands and feet get cold when the behind is
> exposed to the
> great outdoors! Then again, the body protects its inner
> self first, and
> cuts down blood supply to extremities when necessary,
> thus the cold
> hands and feet.
>
> Apart from snow snakes and snow worms  some of which
> look suspiciously
> like limp cooked spaghetti, another great no-no was to
> not eat a polar
> bears liver - far too rich in vitamins for human
> consumption.
>
> For Ian: I believe we harken back to the same era 1953 -
> 1991. Ever been
> to Germany when Brigade was in Soest Area??
>
> John
>
> Michael McDermott wrote:
>
> > Ian,
> > We actually erected our tents 10 Man and lay ponchos
> in
> > between layers of fallen pine branches for cushioning.
> > Quite comfortable.  In regards to our weapons, ten man
> > tents had two layers of canvas between that 1st and
> 2nd
> > layer we‘d lay our weapons with the ejection ports
> facing
> > up.  This way, we could get our tents HOT and not have
> to
> > worry about having our weapons sweat and freeze from
> having
> > a thin layer of water in the bolt carrier group.  Very
> > effective.
> >
> > I was a leg from Feb 92-94, and airborne until ‘95.
> >
> > mike
> >
> > --- Ian Edwards  wrote:
> > > Were you with them when they had wooden floors in
> their
> > > arctic tents?
> > > Wasn‘t there myself, but heard it firsthand from some
> who
> > > had been,
> > > circa 1975.
> > >
> > > Michael McDermott wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Having served with an American Airborne unit in
> Alaska,
> > > > USA, I can only say that the only sock that
> counts...is
> > > the
> > > > sock you wear on your jim-jam if you know what I
> > > mean.
> > > > Also, not being in the Marines also helps...:
> > > >
> > > > mike
> > > >
> > > > --- Mike Oleary  wrote:
> > > > > The 3/25 Bn USMCR does coldweather training
> > > evolutions.
> > > > > They should be able
> > > > > to help him also.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > The Regimental Rogue
> > > > > 2001 Canadian Military History Calendar
> > > > >  http://regimentalrogue.tripod.com/index.htm
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Garett Hallman
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Winter Warfare
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Theres a US Marine asking for tips and
> > > suggestions
> > > > > concerning winter
> > > > > > > warfare on a bulletin board I frequent.  Any
> tips
> > > and
> > > > > suggestions I can
> > > > > > > pass on?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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