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Issued Sleep System-Use and Temp Range
« on: December 03, 2004, 17:28:33 »
I was wondering how cold it needs to be before you find it necessary to bring along the 2nd sleeping bag for winter exercises.  Would I need to bring it for a weekend exercise in Meaford for example in February or can most people tough it out?

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Re: winter sleeping bag
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2004, 17:34:02 »
 That depends on alot of things.Some people get colder faster than others in a sleeping bag(ie they sweat more),is it a matter of too much kit to hump???Most units require a basic winter kit list.Are you sleeping in quarters/tent/trench.Your best bet is bring all parts in case cause for the extra few pounds its better to have the option of adding more kit.
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Re: winter sleeping bag
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2004, 21:09:06 »
I'd say the biggest factor is what you're going to be doing.

When I did my final BIQ field ex in Meaford and in February, I only took my inner - but, IIRC I never got the chance to use it anyways. On that ex, most guys just just racked on their thermal rests with maybe a ranger blanket. No one bothered to strip down and hop in the sack. On the other hand, I spent the past week living in a heated mod tent on a cot (Able Bear). It wasn't nearly as cold as Meaford, but I brought both sleeping bags. Even though I wasn't actually in my outer, I had it in my bivi mag and used it as another layer to sleep on top of.

My best advise: ask the other guys in your platoon. Different units and different trades have different requirements.

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Re: winter sleeping bag
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2004, 12:45:00 »
I always take only one piece of my sleeping bag, I never use the second one. My sleep system is as follows.

Cobat MuMu (The New Thermal Blanket that replaced the Sleeping bag Liner and The Ranger Blanket)
Sleeping bag outter
Bivey Bag

I am always warm no matter what, I used this past week and will next week on the mattawa. And I was comfortable.

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Re: winter sleeping bag
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2004, 13:54:06 »
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I always take only one piece of my sleeping bag, I never use the second one. My sleep system is as follows.

Cobat MuMu (The New Thermal Blanket that replaced the Sleeping bag Liner and The Ranger Blanket)
Sleeping bag outter
Bivey Bag

I am always warm no matter what, I used this past week and will next week on the mattawa. And I was comfortable.

I'd just like to emphasise the fact that Meaford in February is quite a bit less comfortable then the heated mod tents we have on the Mattawa.

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Re: winter sleeping bag
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2004, 14:16:32 »
You had heat? well we had a heater, that was filled with gas instead of diesel. So we didnt have heat for too long at all.

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Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2005, 15:51:50 »
I was wondering: are both the inner and outer sleeping bag used at all times? or sometimes during the summer months is just one or the other used..

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2005, 18:44:23 »
you would be well advised to pick up a good quality ultra lightweight fleece bag to use during the summer and as a liner to replace the crummy issued one.
The new poncho liner (AKA: Ranger Blanket) replaces both the old woodland pattern poncho liner and the sleeping bag liner.  No more ties to fasten to the inside of the sleeping bag. 

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2005, 22:48:58 »
Proper military sleeping will be done at command. You will deploy the issued sleeping pad (be it the modern - allegedly self-inflating - pad, or the wonderful Goodyear rubber air matress) and all parts of the sleeping bag - the inner, outer, flannel liner and hood. You will sleep on your back.

Any deviating from the above regulations will be subject to section 999 subpara q of the NDA, which allows a maximum punishment of life in a ten-man tent, or lesser punishment.

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2005, 22:52:38 »
But on exercises etc (if your unit allows) you would be well advised to pick up a good quality ultra lightweight fleece bag to use during the summer and as a liner to replace the crummy issued one.
I'm confused. Sleeping on Exercise? Explain, please.


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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2005, 00:02:44 »
I'm confused. Sleeping on Exercise? Explain, please.


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lol

I just used the CADPAT ranger blanket and my bivvy bag this month, was warm and toasty for the hour or so of sleep I got each night. I leave the sleeping bag inner and outer in the shacks. I've put the shitty cotton liner in the bottom of a kitbag since I was issued it in January.

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2005, 02:11:49 »
I'm confused. Sleeping on Exercise? Explain, please.


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Lol, i agree. I've always been told I can sleep when I'm dead. Oh how i've wished to be dead at times...  :D
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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2005, 18:15:55 »
I'm not sure if I've got this right....

The 'new' Ranger blanket is very similar, if not identical, to the US one that troops used to buy at a US PX (like me). Or is there a new 'new' Ranger Blanket?

Second, the fleece/cotton liner for the sleping bag is discontinued and replaced by the ranger blanket?

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2005, 22:06:45 »
The new poncho liner/ranger blanket is pretty much the same as the US woodland one, except its CADPAT and has a zipper going around it so you can zip it  up like a sleeping bag. Saw it in ASU Chilliwack, looked pretty good.

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2005, 12:35:21 »
There is also a zippered flap in the centre that opens into a hole to fit your head through.  (Imagine that, a poncho liner that can actually be worn like a ponch & in so doing it could act as a liner to a poncho!)

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2005, 13:41:47 »
I've used it on two Exercises, now. It's alright.
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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2005, 18:54:00 »
Now I need a poncho for it to line.

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Re: Sleeping bag inner/outer usage
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2005, 19:25:57 »
The Ranger Blanket is on the New Kit list for all new recruits (i would have one but base supply ran out and still is)
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Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 05:47:50 »
I, like so many other people, purchased an old sleeping bag from an army surplus store. I have had it about 10 years.

My simple question, What is the tempurature rating of each piece? I have the liner, and the outer bag. I think the entire setup has a rating of -45C.

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Re: Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2008, 15:53:50 »
Navy Stoker,

Perhaps when it was new...

Assemble the bag, lay it on the floor and wait for it to loft. When it has lofted, measuer the hieght of the bag in inches and let me know what the measuerment is and I can give you a survival rating based on the loft.

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Re: Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2008, 17:27:43 »
I measured about 4 inches

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Re: Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2008, 17:58:12 »
Stoker... when the CF sleeping bag is combined Inner + outer + liner + Hood... you mighta gotten to -45C when it was new.

IIRC, there was a "silk" outer shell to the darned thing when issued in the late 60s / early 70s
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Re: Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2008, 19:11:13 »
... you mighta gotten to -45C when it was new.
  If lucky and you were properly clothed/unclothed/dry in the thing.

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IIRC, there was a "silk" outer shell to the darned thing when issued in the late 60s / early 70s

There "may" have been an additional thin shell available at one time, perhaps on a trial basis.  However, it was probably not generally issued at least not by the mid 70's.  But I do recall seeing such an item and "using" it during some trials done in the 70s by eggheads from one of the research establishments.  A few of us were used a guinea pigs for cold weather trials of equipment in Calgary, specifically at the UofC.  We had to spend time in what was basically a really big fridge hooked up to temperature monitors that measured skin and core temps while wearing different types of clothing or using different variations/combinations of the sleeping bag.
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Re: Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2008, 19:23:43 »
So.... Still no answer.

1 outer bag, 1 liner, about 4 inches. Roughly how good would i be able to go down to, wearing hooded sweatshirt/sweat pants? would -20C be too cold?

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Re: Sleeping bag rating
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2008, 19:47:18 »
You will be better off without sweatshirt/sweatpants as layers of clothing make you sweat and you will just wake up cold.