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28 Oct 06: Day of Protest Against the CF (& Canadian war crimes against an occupied people)

Given the numbers of members of the various union "endorsers" it'll be interesting to see how many tens of thousands people show up.
The union leadership can never bring out the bodies when it counts, or even in this case.

Wasn't the "Juarez" guy the dropout who was being groomed for Afghanistan and shown to be a total phoney?
 
HDE said:
Wasn't the "Juarez" guy the dropout who was being groomed for Afghanistan and shown to be a total phoney?
Can't find it in the forum but pretty sure that he's the one.
 
How hard would it be for a counter protest to have a ring of people around those protesters?

Pro life people like to demonstrate at UBC, but not as much as the students at large like to counter protest by surrounding the pro life crowd with a bigger pro choice one, sponteanously.
 
von Garvin said:
CUPE and CUPW are both sponsors of said event.  We ALL know members of CUPE.  Heck, they strike and we get a pay raise, so we MUST get along! ;D
Ask your local dudes: do you realise that your union is sponsoring this?

I work around people from CUPE local 1600, the few that I have had conversations about this sort of thing (cause most people at my work know I am in the army), are aware of where thier union dues are going, but like a "typical" Canadian they are largely apathetic about it.  This is just my thoughts on the subject, but I strongly believe the "majority" of the people in unions (public and private) really don't give a damn about who thier union is sponsoring, or what thier policy towards Isreal is.  All they care about is the money/benefits union employees make over non-union, politics be damned. 
 
The Canadian Peace Alliance are planning a peace love in for the Taliban and Al Quada across Canada on October 28th and at other locations see this link http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/Oct28Events.htm.
I plan to show my support for the troops by wearing red, I might even dig out my old camies and show up and hopefully get picked up by the media (remember there was only about 6-10 of them at our wear red rally on parliment Hill and they got interviewed). Anyone else like minded individuals are welcome to attend and share their opinions with the lefties.After verifying I have discovered that they are planning for Ottawa to do their event at the UN Peacekeeping Monument on Sussex Dr. what a show of disrespect for our peacekeepers.  Suggestions welcome on counter events.

D.Perrault
CPSM
UNEF II
 
LOL
Protesting at a Federal building (Calgary) n a Saturday probably won't work.
At least they won't be able to hassle the CFRC, protesting Canada's involvement in Afghanistan at the CFRC makes as much sense as beating up your mailman because you don't like GST. These poor fools don't understand reality.

As for counter events? I will be holding a huge recruiting event for my unit as well as our annual mess dinner.
 
Big surprise, the "target" here in Toronto is the US Consulate.  Nothing better to do that Saturday, and it's only a 10 minute walk form my place, may stroll down and watch naivety in action.
 
Danjanou said:
Big surprise, the "target" here in Toronto is the US Consulate.  Nothing better to do that Saturday, and it's only a 10 minute walk form my place, may stroll down and watch naivety in action.
Please get some photos.  I love watching stupid people.  :D

Cheers!
 
I was thinking of dragging along my camera and attaching the big honking tele-photo lens and standing across the street. You think that they may misinterpret that? >:D
 
I looked at the list of protest sites, I noticed no protest is planned for Khandahar.  No march of unity with the Taliban in A-Stan.  I guess even the looney lefties don't want their heads cut off.
 
Oh Goody! There's one planned for Fredericton!
Fredericton, NB

Troops out of Afghanistan
Peace March and Rally, October 28th. Meet at 1pm at Officers' Square (on the corner of Queen and Regent Streets).
There will be a march followed by a rally with speeches, music and an information table.
For more information, contact the Fredericton Peace Coalition at info-at-frederictonpeace.org or call 454-9527.


:D
 
I wonder if these guys realise that this kind of language is inflammatory and false:
Halifax, NS

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!
Stop Killing Afghans, Cease all Canadian Combat Operations in Kandahar



Just wondering is all....
 
These guys need a dose of reality:
Nelson, BC

Support the Afghan People, End the War

I guess having all those kids going to school is a bad thing....(I mean the kids in Afghanistan, and the fact that because of our actions they are safe to go to school, for the most part)
 
OK, this one takes the cake:
Winnipeg, MB

End Canada's War On Afghanistan !

Rally! March! People's Forum!
Assemble at Central Park 1PM (Ellice at Edmonton)
March to the University of Winnipeg for a People's Forum at the Bulman Centre
Organized by the Peace Alliance Winnipeg www.peacealliancewinnipeg.ca
For more information email: info-at-peacealliancewinnipeg.ca or phone 947-2220

I love ignorant people; however, note my byline re: stupid people in large groups...
 
In Ottawa, it's called Pan Canadian Day of Action
                              CANADA OUT OF AFGHANISTAN
Saturday, October 28 13:00 hrs
Peace Keeping Memorial
Sussex at St. Patrick
 
Well, here's their "fact" sheet, taken from the Canadian "Peace" Alliance website.  Riddled with holes, factual inaccuracies, conspiracy theories and outright fabrications, as seems to be usual.  Let's examine it in a bit of detail:

http://www.acp-cpa.ca/en/Afghanistanfactsheet.pdf

The Government of Canada has sent 2,250 Canadian soldiers to be stationed in Kandahar Afghanistan. The soldiers will be fighting alongside about 8,000 US soldiers
and are under the command of Operation Archer in support of the US led “Operation Enduring Freedom”. It is expected that command of the Canadian units will shift to
NATO control by 2007.

NATO is currently commanding the mission.  Canadian Forces have been under NATO command since last summer and were under NATO command in Kabul.

Canada will be operating along the southern border between Pakistan and Afghanistan in Kandahar province. This is a crucial area for two reasons: it is the location of Taliban strongholds and it is the proposed route for the multibillion dollar Trans-Afghan pipeline. It is no secret that since the collapse of the Soviet Union US oil companies have been keen to exploit Caspian Sea oil and gas. They lobbied the Clinton administration to have a pipeline built from Turkmenistan in the north through Afghanistan to ports in Pakistan. They see even more opportunity with George Bush as president. Afghanistan is important to US oil Companies because it is the only route that would provide total control for them. The other possible routes for the pipeline run through Iran, an enemy of the US, China, a competitor of the US, or Russia, an unreliable and heavily
armed ally.

Here's where the conspiracy theory begins.  There's potential for oil in the Caspian, ergo there must be a requirement for a pipeline.  As pointed out on other threads, the Unocal project wound up in 1998.  It does not exist.  There's been talk - and that's all it is - of a pipeline since, but little else.  Afghanistan is only one possible route from the Caspian oil and gas fields, and not the most secure one at that.

The Department of National Defence says that Canadians, and the other international forces, are there to “reinforce the authority of the Afghan government in and around Kandahar and help local authorities stabilize and rebuild the region.” Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan is considered a US puppet by most Afghanis. His authority outside Kabul is merely symbolic. Local control in the provinces is left to a mix of opium gangsters, former Taliban commanders and tribal elders. Mark Schneider, president of International Crisis Group has said, “It’s not merely about drug money financing candidates. Drug lords are candidates.”

"Most Afghanis"? (it's Afghans by the way, "Afghani" is the currency)  Did the CPA take a poll?  He certainly was the most popular in the 2004 elections, widely considered free and fair by the international community.  Who is Mark Schneider and who is the "International Crisis Group"?  What are his credentials to pass judgement on Afghan politics.

The United States and the Karzai Administration are, in most cases, happy to work and make deals with these local rulers. According to Human Rights Watch the majority (60%) of those elected to the Afghan parliament in the October, 18, 2005 elections were these local criminals and power brokers or their associates. US forces and allied local warlords are responsible for human rights abuses in the country. According to Human Rights Watch:

"U.S. forces operating against Taliban insurgents continue to generate numerous claims of human rights abuses against the civilian population, including arbitrary arrests, use of excessive force, and mistreatment of detainees… Local military and police forces, even in Kabul, have been involved in arbitrary arrests, kidnapping, extortion, torture,
and extrajudicial killings of criminal suspects. Outside Kabul, commanders and their troops in many areas have been implicated in widespread rape of women, girls, and boys, murder, illegal detention, forced displacement, and other specific abuses against women and children, including human trafficking and forced marriage.

Claims of abuse from whom?  On what data did Human Rights Watch base its conclusions?  Since when did the US have power of arrest in Afghanistan?  "In many areas".  Which areas?  North or south?  Pashtun or otherwise?

According to General Rick Hillier, Canadians are going to Afghanistan to “Kill detestable murderers and scumbags”. The reality is that we are going to support, some of the worst human rights abusers the country has ever seen. This deadly combination of abuses by both US forces and their local allies ensures that Canadians will continue
to face growing resistance from the Afghan people.

Are we to assume by this that the CPA regards the Taliban as the true representatives of the Afghan people?  The ICRC, within the last two weeks, lauded Canadian treatment of prisoners and detainees.  The international community appears to be satisfied with our actions in theatre.  Why can the CPA not be?

State of Reconstruction

We are told that the Canadian soldiers will be engaging in development work as part of their mission. This type of intervention, generally referred to as the 3-D approach (disarmament, diplomacy and development) has come under heavy criticism from NGOs for confusing the process and endangering aid workers. It is argued that having the development component so intertwined with the defense operation results in corruption and the use of development initiatives as bribes to local authorities and civilians. It also eliminates the possibility of development work being neutral in the conflict. According to a report in the Guardian, Vickie Hawkins, acting head of the Médecin
Sans Frontières mission in Afghanistan said the international humanitarian group left Afghanistan for these very reasons.

There are dozens upon dozens of NGOs operating in Afghanistan.  The only two - AFAIK - that have come out publically supporting the CPA position are CARE Canada and Medecin San Frontieres.  Neither have presented any evidence whatsoever that their position is correct.  Indeed, MSF holds any military in contempt - even forces from Western democratic nations - and could hardly have been expected to cooperate with NATO efforts in theatre.  Again, there are dozens of NGOs operating in Afghanistan right now.  One wonders how effective they'd be having to deal with the Taliban on their own.

The US-led coalition has made the situation worse by blurring the line between humanitarian work and military operations. During the war in 2001, Hawkins said, US soldiers were driving around in civilian clothes in white cars, taking on the appearance of humanitarian aid workers. In May, the Pentagon was forced to apologize for dropping leaflets in southern Afghanistan which promised humanitarian assistance if local people gave the coalition information about the Taliban and al-Qaida. She despaired that military campaigns were employing “hearts and minds” strategies more and more often, making it difficult for aid workers to maintain their aura of all-important impartiality. If armies are handing out food assistance and medical equipment, it becomes harder for locals to tell the aid workers from the occupiers.

Aside from this unproven accusation, what evidence is there that the local population confuses military personnel with humanitarian aid workers?  Answer:  none.  Such an accusation assumes a stunning level of stupidity on the behalf of local Afghans, most of whom are intimately familiar with soldiers.  Indeed, one suspects that, given Taliban ideology, the aid workers would be as much of a target as any military personnel. 

Opium

Revenue from poppy cultivation – between$2-3 billion annually – is now double the amount of international aid. Ironically, the money coming from opium production is now the chief source of “reconstruction funds” in the country. Afghan farmers have little option but to produce poppies and will continue to do so. It is the only crop that will generate
enough money to survive on. The British Government, worried that most of the heroin ending up on UK streets came from Afghanistan, began an eradication program for poppy cultivation. Afghan farmers were promised aid and new seeds in return for ending their production but the aid never arrived and many have returned to poppy cultivation. Attempts at a new eradication program will likely end in conflict unless there is a real commitment to provide viable alternatives to the farmers.

Frasier Nelson, a Scottish journalist, summarizes the contradiction, “Today, some two million Afghans rely on opium poppies for their livelihood, generating $2.7 billion of illegal wealth. They will not give this up readily, nor will the farmers whose desire to feed their families is stronger than their desire to placate NATO.”1 British Prime Minister Tony Blair stated that, “The Taliban regime is funded in large part on the drug trade – 90% of all heroin sold in Britain originates from Afghanistan. Stopping that trade is directly in our interests.” The Taliban has many faults but by May 2001 it had virtually eradicated opium production. The resurgence in poppy production is a consequence of the US invasion and continuing occupation.

The UK Government did not support an eradication programme and did not implement one.  How does the CPA arrive at its conclusion that drug money equals "reconstruction funds".  The fact of the matter remains that the Taliban uses poppy money to fund its terror campaign.  The CPA appears to support the return of the Taliban to eradicate opium production...tsk, tsk...

Canadian Corporations in the Caspian

According to the Energy Information Administration there are proven reserves of between 17 and 44 billion barrels of oil and 232 trillion cubic feet of gas in the Caspian region. Production of these reserves is very limited. As of 2004 only about 11% of the regions gas reserves, which equal those of Saudi Arabia, were under production. On December 27, 2002 Afghanistan Pakistan and Turkmenistan signed an agreement to build a 1,500 kilometer long Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline – a $3.2 billion project expected to deliver 30 Billion cubic meters of natural gas a year. The only stumbling block to finally realizing this deal is the lack of stability in Afghanistan.

Again, what pipeline?  What is the route?  What organization is building it?  What contracts have been let?  Who is funding it?  First it was oil, now it's gas...

In September 2004 a joint Omani-Canadian delegation led by Yusuf bin Alavi, foreign minister of Oman, and Jean Chretien, former Prime Minister of Canada, met in  Turkmenistan to negotiate a deal between Edmonton based Buried Hill Energy and the government of Turkmenistan to develop the Serdar block in the Caspian area. This is not the first or only time that the former Prime Minister, a man responsible for sending thousands of Canadian soldiers to Afghanistan, has intervened on behalf of Canadian corporations for contracts in the area.2 On the same trip Chretien met with Saparmurat Niyazov, the self proclaimed president for life of Turkmenistan, and discussed  potential involvement from Canadian corporations in the Trans-Afghan pipeline.3 On October 20 2004 Thermo Design received a contract worth $42 million for the production of an LPG and gas condensate plant in Turkmenistan that would produce 50,000 tons of LPG and 200,000 tons of condensate gas (light gasoline) annually.4

The hypocrisy of signing multi-million dollar deals with one of the worst human rights abusers in the region5 while simultaneously arguing that Canada’s soldiers are bringing peace is obvious. It is also standard operating procedure for successive governments of Canada to ignore issues of Human rights if there is money to be made in international deals. These facts call into question the real reasons why Canada is in Afghanistan.

And how are these events connected to Afghanistan, aside from the rather dubious pipeline noted above.  Does the CPA really believe that the CF is at war in Afghanistan to support two minor Canadian energy players?  Moreover, in what context was Chretien operating - as a private citizen?

The people of Afghanistan want peace. The occupiers and their puppet and former Unocal employee, Hamid Karzai want oil. We have seen the US and its Allies in this scenario before. Whether in Chile in 1973 when the US sponsored a coup to make sure that the copper mines were not nationalized or in Iraq where they have killed more than a million people to control the oil resources they will brutally enforce a corrupt and divisive political process to keep the people divided so they can pillage the land of its resources. They don’t care who is in power or what type of society they are creating. In this case they are building a society based on corruption, drugs and violence. Canada is now the cop trying to impose these realities on the people of Afghanistan.

Karzai was never a Unocal employee.  This was a bizarre accusation raised by a French newspaper and subsequently quoted by that prat Michael Moore in his inflammatory masturbatory piece "Fahrenheit 9/11".  CPA needs to put up or shut up.

Finally, what resources is the CPA referring to?  Are there any proven reserves of energy in Afghanistan - of any type?  Are there any suspected reserves that have been even cursorily examined by an on-the-ground exploration programme?  I didn't think so...

Their last paragraph illustrates what's really at work here.  Despite the support of the UN, NATO, and the Non-Aligned Movement, the CPA and its fellow travellers are interested in only one thing:  seeing the US corporate-industrial bogeyman under every international bed.  They love a conspiracy theory and revel yet another attempt to wheel out their long-discredited agenda.  I can hear the chants now:  "Canada out of Afghanistan", "No Blood for Oil" and the like - all as facetious now as they were in 1970.
 
Very good piece, Teddy.  The funny thing that these whackos forget is the Canada is the Number one foreign supplier of oil to the US.  Mexico is second.  Why spend bazillions of dollars on a supposed "pipeline" when even if it did exist, practically none of that oil would end up in the US?

As I've said before: beware of the power of stupid people in large groups.
 
Who is Mark Schneider and who is the "International Crisis Group"?  What are his credentials to pass judgement on Afghan politics.

Your wish is my command.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1315&l=1

As to his/their credentials…well I guess to the granola brigade they look pretty good. He appears to be an SME in the same vein as Taliban Jack and the mouthpiece,  excuse me the delegated spokesperson for the Polaris Institute
 
Danjanou said:
Your wish is my command.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1315&l=1

As to his/their credentials…well I guess to the granola brigade they look pretty good. He appears to be an SME in the same vein as Taliban Jack and the mouthpiece,  excuse me the delegated spokesperson for the Polaris Institute

Mark Schneider

Senior Vice President; Special Adviser on Latin America. Okay I'm even more confused than normal..... When did Afganistan become part of Latin America...... Granted it does note that he is an "expert" on rebuilding after conflict and mentions A'stan in brackets....
 
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