CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

[CBH99]

Can't say I approve of Freeland's decision in regards to this because the timing seems politically motivated and therefore suspect.

(But I also admit I don't know the details behind the matter. It's my lack of trust in Freeland that has me raise an eyebrow...)

Freeland freezes $43M in rebates to Tesla over accusations of ‘gaming’ the system

Transport Minister Chrystia Freeland has frozen $43 million in electric vehicle rebates claimed by Tesla and ordered a full investigation into a last-minute surge in filings by the U.S.-based automaker.

www.nationalobserver.com

 

[ModlrMike]

There's no effin' way 8600 Canadians bought Tesla cars in 72 hours.

 

[GK .Dundas]

There's no effin' way 8600 Canadians bought Tesla cars in 72 hours.

How do you know that ?
After all it's the most wonderful car ever built ! It's utterly fantastic,it's just the most incredible car ever.
Just ask Donald.....

 

[HavokFour]

There's no effin' way 8600 Canadians bought Tesla cars in 72 hours.

8600 claimed sales in 72 hours from just 4 dealerships. The freeze is absolutely necessary and so is the investigation.

 

[lenaitch]

American's might end up in a toilet paper shortage, again. Those that mastered the 3 shells method during the pandemic will probably be fine though.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-27/trump-tariffs-on-canada-lumber-risk-pinching-toilet-paper-supply

Alt: https://archive.ph/0Yorv

Meh. Trump will just buy it from his new bestie Putin's Russia.

I doubt he himself uses it. He's so full of s**t it seems nothing is allowed to leak out.

 

[ModlrMike]

I guess they should get ready for another run on Costco toilet paper.

 

[Remius]

How do you know that ?
After all it's the most wonderful car ever built ! It's utterly fantastic,it's just the most incredible car ever.
Just ask Donald.....

Everything is computer!

 

[dapaterson]

There's no effin' way 8600 Canadians bought Tesla cars in 72 hours.

Maybe the dealerships were filled with procrastinators?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Can't say I approve of Freeland's decision in regards to this because the timing seems politically motivated and therefore suspect.

(But I also admit I don't know the details behind the matter. It's my lack of trust in Freeland that has me raise an eyebrow...)

Freeland freezes $43M in rebates to Tesla over accusations of ‘gaming’ the system

Transport Minister Chrystia Freeland has frozen $43 million in electric vehicle rebates claimed by Tesla and ordered a full investigation into a last-minute surge in filings by the U.S.-based automaker.

www.nationalobserver.com

Archived link here if the original one doesn't work.

 

[HavokFour]

Note: The US Pork Industry took an apocalyptic beating during Trumps first term when he started throwing around tariffs left and right back then too.

https://www.producer.com/livestock/u-s-pork-begs-for-tariff-exemption-from-canada/

Alt: https://archive.ph/jD714

 

[PrairieFella]

Note: The US Pork Industry took an apocalyptic beating during Trumps first term when he started throwing around tariffs left and right back then too.

https://www.producer.com/livestock/u-s-pork-begs-for-tariff-exemption-from-canada/

Alt: https://archive.ph/jD714

Maybe there's an opportunity for Maple Leaf to do some bankruptcy acquisitions here haha. These types of large farmers tend to vote for Trump anyways so you reap what you sow.

 

[HavokFour]

Mods: I posted this in the election thread as well because it's something I felt could have gone in either thread.

To the surprise of absolutely no one, tripling down. It's almost like she's trying to annihilate any chance the CPC might have.

Danielle Smith and Ben Shapiro discuss Canada electing ‘solid allies’ to Trump at Florida event

On stage at a PragerU fundraiser, the Alberta premier, under fire for allegedly encouraging U.S. leaders to influence Canadian politics, said, 'I come in peace.'

www.nationalobserver.com

Alt: https://archive.ph/URUoJ

 

[Halifax Tar]

Interesting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1905599000037728518

 

[daftandbarmy]

Interesting.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1905599000037728518

The reality is that we still need to diversify our trade networks away from the US. We tend to just hit the 'easy button' and sell to the US, which is dangerous...

From 2018...

The urgent need for Canada to diversify its trade​

Canada needs to diversify its trade beyond the United States and increase our links to rapidly-growing emerging market economies, particularly in Asia.


With the difficult renegotiation of the trade agreement with Canada’s largest trading partner now resolved, it’s time for Canada to get serious about trade diversification.

The experience of renegotiating NAFTA — or USMCA as it is now called — has highlighted Canada’s vulnerability to one dominant trading partner that buys roughly 75 per cent of our exports.

As a country, we should not be in this position. We need to diversify our trade beyond the United States and increase our links to rapidly growing emerging market economies, particularly in Asia, despite the “anti-China” clause in the USMCA.

Given that growth has pivoted to these emerging markets in the last 15 years, the first question is why has this not happened already. The answer is straightforward.

For a long time, being right beside the United States — the biggest, richest market in the world — has been a great ride for Canada. What’s more, we’re very comfortable and good at doing business with Americans.

Fewer benefits of living next to U.S.

So why diversify? The short answer is being right next door to the United States is not the ride it used to be. Part of this is the alarmingly protectionist sentiment of U.S. president Donald Trump’s administration, but the root of the answer pre-dates Trump.

In the last 15 to 20 years, the United States has not been the engine of global growth that it was in the past. The U.S. share of global growth has been almost cut in half in the last two decades, falling from about 32 per cent in the 1990s to about 17 per cent in this decade. Over the same period, Asia’s share has risen from 32 per cent to just over 50 per cent, according to our analysis of World Bank trade data from the Institute for Competitiveness & Prosperity. This has created a double challenge for Canada.

First, we are significantly underexposed to emerging market economies, so we are getting little upside from their acceleration in growth.

The urgent need for Canada to diversify its trade

Canada needs to diversify its trade beyond the United States. Read more about how Canada needs to diversity trade, particularly in Asia.

www-2.rotman.utoronto.ca

 

[Remius]

The reality is that we still need to diversify our trade networks away from the US. We tend to just hit the 'easy button' and sell to the US, which is dangerous...

From 2018...

The urgent need for Canada to diversify its trade​

Canada needs to diversify its trade beyond the United States and increase our links to rapidly-growing emerging market economies, particularly in Asia.


With the difficult renegotiation of the trade agreement with Canada’s largest trading partner now resolved, it’s time for Canada to get serious about trade diversification.

The experience of renegotiating NAFTA — or USMCA as it is now called — has highlighted Canada’s vulnerability to one dominant trading partner that buys roughly 75 per cent of our exports.

As a country, we should not be in this position. We need to diversify our trade beyond the United States and increase our links to rapidly growing emerging market economies, particularly in Asia, despite the “anti-China” clause in the USMCA.

Given that growth has pivoted to these emerging markets in the last 15 years, the first question is why has this not happened already. The answer is straightforward.

For a long time, being right beside the United States — the biggest, richest market in the world — has been a great ride for Canada. What’s more, we’re very comfortable and good at doing business with Americans.

Fewer benefits of living next to U.S.

So why diversify? The short answer is being right next door to the United States is not the ride it used to be. Part of this is the alarmingly protectionist sentiment of U.S. president Donald Trump’s administration, but the root of the answer pre-dates Trump.

In the last 15 to 20 years, the United States has not been the engine of global growth that it was in the past. The U.S. share of global growth has been almost cut in half in the last two decades, falling from about 32 per cent in the 1990s to about 17 per cent in this decade. Over the same period, Asia’s share has risen from 32 per cent to just over 50 per cent, according to our analysis of World Bank trade data from the Institute for Competitiveness & Prosperity. This has created a double challenge for Canada.

First, we are significantly underexposed to emerging market economies, so we are getting little upside from their acceleration in growth.

The urgent need for Canada to diversify its trade

Canada needs to diversify its trade beyond the United States. Read more about how Canada needs to diversity trade, particularly in Asia.

www-2.rotman.utoronto.ca

Yep. Time to find other markets and more reliable partners.

Trying to remain or increase our closeness to the US is a mistake.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The reality is that we still need to diversify our trade networks away from the US. We tend to just hit the 'easy button' and sell to the US, which is dangerous...

From 2018...

The urgent need for Canada to diversify its trade​

Canada needs to diversify its trade beyond the United States and increase our links to rapidly-growing emerging market economies, particularly in Asia.


With the difficult renegotiation of the trade agreement with Canada’s largest trading partner now resolved, it’s time for Canada to get serious about trade diversification.

The experience of renegotiating NAFTA — or USMCA as it is now called — has highlighted Canada’s vulnerability to one dominant trading partner that buys roughly 75 per cent of our exports.

As a country, we should not be in this position. We need to diversify our trade beyond the United States and increase our links to rapidly growing emerging market economies, particularly in Asia, despite the “anti-China” clause in the USMCA.

Given that growth has pivoted to these emerging markets in the last 15 years, the first question is why has this not happened already. The answer is straightforward.

For a long time, being right beside the United States — the biggest, richest market in the world — has been a great ride for Canada. What’s more, we’re very comfortable and good at doing business with Americans.

Fewer benefits of living next to U.S.

So why diversify? The short answer is being right next door to the United States is not the ride it used to be. Part of this is the alarmingly protectionist sentiment of U.S. president Donald Trump’s administration, but the root of the answer pre-dates Trump.

In the last 15 to 20 years, the United States has not been the engine of global growth that it was in the past. The U.S. share of global growth has been almost cut in half in the last two decades, falling from about 32 per cent in the 1990s to about 17 per cent in this decade. Over the same period, Asia’s share has risen from 32 per cent to just over 50 per cent, according to our analysis of World Bank trade data from the Institute for Competitiveness & Prosperity. This has created a double challenge for Canada.

First, we are significantly underexposed to emerging market economies, so we are getting little upside from their acceleration in growth.

The urgent need for Canada to diversify its trade

Canada needs to diversify its trade beyond the United States. Read more about how Canada needs to diversity trade, particularly in Asia.

www-2.rotman.utoronto.ca

I don't think he's arguing against diversification. I think he's trying to be realistic about our geo location, the speed at which we can diversify and what the world actually wants from us.

I think he's also pointing this is going to be painful difficult time.

 

[brihard]

Yep. Time to find other markets and more reliable partners.

Trying to remain or increase our closeness to the US is a mistake.

Yup. The U.S. will remain probably our most major trading partner, but we need to work to shift away from them being a domiannt trading partner. Trump has fundamentally changed the nature of our bilateral relationship. Even should it shift back once he’s gone, he’s shown how quickly the relationship can be strained, and that the U.S. is still pulling to weaponize economic dependence against us. Post-Trump, Trump*ism* will remain. We need to build considerable economic resilience to that. Let’s set Canada up to sell our goods and services to any willing buyer so long as it’s on equitable terms that don’t compromise our economic and national security.

 

[RangerRay]

Yup. The U.S. will remain probably our most major trading partner, but we need to work to shift away from them being a domiannt trading partner. Trump has fundamentally changed the nature of our bilateral relationship. Even should it shift back once he’s gone, he’s shown how quickly the relationship can be strained, and that the U.S. is still pulling to weaponize economic dependence against us. Post-Trump, Trump*ism* will remain. We need to build considerable economic resilience to that. Let’s set Canada up to sell our goods and services to any willing buyer so long as it’s on equitable terms that don’t compromise our economic and national security.

Absolutely. We also need to bring down barriers to getting our natural resources to where demand is. I would even argue to nationalize where necessary if the private sector is unable or unwilling to, just like Premier WAC Bennett did back in the day. He limited his projects to power generation and transportation, which could be aligned with pipelines.

Personally, I would prioritize pipelines to the East Coast for European markets, rather than helping Beijing.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Absolutely. We also need to bring down barriers to getting our natural resources to where demand is. I would even argue to nationalize where necessary if the private sector is unable or unwilling to, just like Premier WAC Bennett did back in the day. He limited his projects to power generation and transportation, which could be aligned with pipelines.

Personally, I would prioritize pipelines to the East Coast for European markets, rather than helping Beijing.

I would say that LNG to SK or Japan or Australia would be something to explore and if viable, move quickly to exploit.

 

[HavokFour]

‘Catastrophic’: Canadian bookings for U.S. travel drop sharply

Canadian travel to the United States has begun to drop as the North American trade war hits America's tourism industry.

www.ctvnews.ca

Alt: https://archive.ph/7yhiy

One industry monitor recently found that demand for Canada-U.S. flights has “collapsed,” with cross-border bookings down more than 70 per cent for this spring and summer.

That's... significant. 2025-202? will not be kind for the tourism industry.