Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Ludoc]

Fortunately that word "mines" is one that lawyers love to argue over.

Apparently a toe-popper is a mine but an anti-tank mine isn't. Nor is a Claymore. Nor an off-route mine - which could be a LAM parked beside an enemy highway. Lots of wiggle room to exploit.

One thing our politicians share with the Chinese. They will never admit error and repeal a law. On the other hand they will amend it to mean the exact opposite.

The treaty only bans anti-personnel mines (It's official name is: Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction). That's why anti-tank and off-route mines, while still mines, are not covered by it.

Claymores may be mines depending on how they are employed. From the text of the treaty: ""Anti-personnel mine" means a mine designed to be exploded by the presence, proximity or contact of a person and that will incapacitate, injure or kill one or more persons." So, trip wires on claymores are a no go. Command detonated claymores are good to go.

Edit: Source: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/apmbc/article-2?activeTab=

 

[Kirkhill]

Honestly with the GM ISV and LUVW, I’d rather see Roshell work with GM on a Senator based on the heavier GM truck frame. So some sort of common parts for the system.

That too.

But I like the idea of not being beholding to any one.

 

[MilEME09]

The M/25 is similar but the barrel, and lower receiver are completely different from the M25.

 

[Furniture]

Honestly with the GM ISV and LUVW, I’d rather see Roshell work with GM on a Senator based on the heavier GM truck frame. So some sort of common parts for the system.

100%

Pick a winner (GM Defence), and give them enough work to justify a small plant/section of a plant in Canada.

 

[Kirkhill]

The M/25 is similar but the barrel, and lower receiver are completely different from the M25.

That means the Danish Homeguard will be upgrading and adding the M10 A4 and M10 A4 Short (Colt C8 IUR), to their hand-me-down M10 A2 (Colt C8 IUR), M95/M96 (Diemaco C7/C8) inventory. The Danes don't scrap their weapons. They store them.

 

[Kirkhill]

100%

Pick a winner (GM Defence), and give them enough work to justify a small plant/section of a plant in Canada.

But will your winner be Kevin's winner? Or will it be Melanie's winner?

With two you get a better shot at at least one of them doing most of the jobs you want to do most of the time.

And even if you set up a permanent line to keep a force of 300,000 mobile it would still only be a miniscule fraction of the production of light utility vehicles in Canada. Let alone what we might have access to from the US when we re-establish relations.

Take 300,000 people and divide by 6 to supply them each with a six seater pickup or SUV. 50,000 units. Replace every five years and you have 10,000 a year.

Annual Canadian production is in the range of 1,200,000 to 1,400,000 a year.

On the other hand there are many custom fab shops like Roshel in every town and village across Canada.

Give them the choice of a Ford or GM frame and drive train, a selection of approved body kits and supply a corps of QA inspectors to track their work.

...

Likewise for the drone industry. You don't experiment with billion dollar production lines but a service bay and a million bucks will get a lot of people interested.

 

[Kirkhill]

The M/25 is similar but the barrel, and lower receiver are completely different from the M25.

So it sounds as if the Homeguard are going to be getting their own first-run rifles in any event. And the rest will go to inventory.

By the way. I see a lot of snow and ice there.

I seem to recall one of the reasons why the Rangers ended up with a delaminating stock on their rifles was because of concern over the polymer stocks on the Colt products. It doesn't seem to be an issue for the Danes on Greenland or the Yanks in Alaska. Or even for our own troops when they operate up north.

 

[PrairieFella]

Ill give ya one better, ive seen the pre production model C25 Rifle thats replacing the C7 for the CMAR project. Unfortunately I cant share pictures but its very nice. Production scheduled for next year

I thought the C8A4 was the C7 replacement. Whats the C25?

 

[MilEME09]

I thought the C8A4 was the C7 replacement. Whats the C25?

yes and no, C8A4 was originally intended as an interim upgrade until CMAR (C25) was delivered because originally that wasn't happening until 2030-32. Now with budget comes CMAR moved to 2027/28. Does this mean C8A4 is dead? possibly, or limited distribution, I haven't heard but CMAR is a full replacement while C8A4 was an upgrade program.

Other items being worked on in the small arms world include C9A3

 

[PrairieFella]

yes and no, C8A4 was originally intended as an interim upgrade until CMAR (C25) was delivered because originally that wasn't happening until 2030-32. Now with budget comes CMAR moved to 2027/28. Does this mean C8A4 is dead? possibly, or limited distribution, I haven't heard but CMAR is a full replacement while C8A4 was an upgrade program.

Other items being worked on in the small arms world include C9A3

What are the differences? C9A3 certainly has my curiosity. Our minimis are so clapped out.

 

[MilEME09]

What are the differences? C9A3 certainly has my curiosity. Our minimis are so clapped out.

C8A4 is essentially a C8 IUR, and some lip gloss. CMAR has the internals reworked, a true free floating barrel, a new barrel made out of a new alloy for increased barrel life, shorter barrels, suppressors, and a whole host of other things to bring it upto snuff compared to the modular rifles our allies use.

 

[CBH99]

So it sounds as if the Homeguard are going to be getting their own first-run rifles in any event. And the rest will go to inventory.

By the way. I see a lot of snow and ice there.

I seem to recall one of the reasons why the Rangers ended up with a delaminating stock on their rifles was because of concern over the polymer stocks on the Colt products. It doesn't seem to be an issue for the Danes on Greenland or the Yanks in Alaska. Or even for our own troops when they operate up north.

Good catch.

Hmmmmmmmm....

 

[Furniture]

But will your winner be Kevin's winner? Or will it be Melanie's winner?

With two you get a better shot at at least one of them doing most of the jobs you want to do most of the time.

And even if you set up a permanent line to keep a force of 300,000 mobile it would still only be a miniscule fraction of the production of light utility vehicles in Canada. Let alone what we might have access to from the US when we re-establish relations.

Take 300,000 people and divide by 6 to supply them each with a six seater pickup or SUV. 50,000 units. Replace every five years and you have 10,000 a year.

Annual Canadian production is in the range of 1,200,000 to 1,400,000 a year.

On the other hand there are many custom fab shops like Roshel in every town and village across Canada.

Give them the choice of a Ford or GM frame and drive train, a selection of approved body kits and supply a corps of QA inspectors to track their work.

...

Likewise for the drone industry. You don't experiment with billion dollar production lines but a service bay and a million bucks will get a lot of people interested.

The whole point of picking GM Defense is to have a standard product that has parts compatibility with the civilian vehicles driven all over the country. We don't need every town making trucks, and we don't need the entire automotive production capacity of the nation dedicated to making army trucks. We just need enough production of each type to keep a small line running.

The ISV is 80% standard Colorado ZR2, and Im sure the larger version shares lots of components with the Silverado. Thats the whole point of those GM Defense offerings. I specified GM Defense because we already use their product, and they offer more that we can make future use of. They were also the first NA manufacturer to get serious about getting back into the Defense game.

As for small drones, sure spread the love around, have different manufactures for the parts all over the country. There is a lot less complexity in having small shops make small drones than there is in having 30 different shops making your trucks.

 

[dapaterson]

Small drones are essentially consumables now.

 

[PuckChaser]

You don't just buy cell phones and call it a comms plan. 25,000 cell phones bought in Canada could be useless in parts of the world.

 

[MilEME09]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2032199865996890363

steady stream of graduates every few weeks, with new platoons usually starting right afters, beds cant even get cold. Anyone know about the Early leadership potential identification program? first ive heard of it

 

[Cloud Cover]

You don't just buy cell phones and call it a comms plan. 25,000 cell phones bought in Canada could be useless in parts of the world.

True.
Although Canada used to make a smart phone that worked all over the world, had its own network and even worked in space (on wi-fi). Even made a special one for DoD, the President and the Queen.
Gone in the blink of an eye …

 

[PrairieFella]

More info on $35BB in Northern oriented defence and infrastructure spending.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-defence-north-announcement-9.7126640