Canadian modular assault rifle project, a C7 replacement?

[IRepoCans]

Trap/Skeet shooting come close to those numbers for target speed. We'd be wise to spend some time training folks to do that as a tool in the toolbox. Defeating a air threat needs layers and the shotgun falls under "oh fuck that's close" in the final layer. Immediately dismissing it means you're just placing all your trust in someone else to defeat the threat for you and sometimes simpler is better.

Sure it has a use if you have no other options, but from the Ukrainians/legionnaires we've worked with: fieldcraft seems to be a far more effective active and passive response to anything UAS. Not so much as dismissing it, but loathing the fixation on the shotgun at the expense of fieldcraft in CASFC.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Ah yes, the shotgun is going to stop the 80-120kph FPV bomber drone which are being used for attacks in Ukraine.

Yeah. Apparently more effective than trying to blast them with an AR15, which is why they're being used in Ukraine I guess. Obviously they're not going to work every time and are a last ditch close-range effort. Even 1 pellet from a shotgun round can disable a drone.

The only good thing coming out of the AA CAUS shotgun fad is that it's removed all the bullshit waivers and barriers to using shotguns for ballistic breaches on ex and course (the thing I need a shotgun for most of the time). So the mysteriously missing PO 109 Perform a Ballistic Breach will return to RQIP like it was in the draft QSTP.

But did they remove the caveat about shooting people in the head from the PAM?

 

[PuckChaser]

Sure it has a use if you have no other options, but from the Ukrainians/legionnaires we've worked with: fieldcraft seems to be a far more effective active and passive response to anything UAS. Not so much as dismissing it, but loathing the fixation on the shotgun at the expense of fieldcraft in CASFC.

Absolutely. There's a giant venn diagram with the center point of "not blown up by FPV today" and that very much includes fieldcraft.