CFB Cold Lake Thread- Merged

[Halifax Tar]

I don't see this as a leak if information. I see it a desperate measure creating a desperate action.

I mean what exactly has this Cpl "leaked" ?

 

[cudmore]

Hello folks,

Here's something I worked on, today.
I'm not sure how to set it up, though. Maybe it's a warning?

The commander of the Canadian army has threatened to go after soldiers who provide information to the media without permission and "pursue disciplinary action against them," according to a memo sent widely across the land force.

Lt.-Gen. Marquis Hainse said army information and documents are being "leaked" to media agencies, in violation of military rules.

He then went on to apparently attempt to shame the leakers, referring to the passage of information about what's happening inside the army as "a serious lapse in the ethical judgment and behaviour of some of our members."

Hainse said the leaks negatively impact the credibility of the land force he commands.

"It is hurting the army, it is counter-productive, and it needs to stop," he wrote.

"I intend to pursue disciplinary action against any member of the army who is found complicit in the unauthorized release of information."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/army-commander-promises-discipline-against-media-leaks-1.2495204

 

[PMedMoe]

I don't see this as a leak if information. I see it a desperate measure creating a desperate action.

I mean what exactly has this Cpl "leaked" ?

I agree.

 

[cudmore]

The rumour is true.
I reported it and posted a version of the story in a new topic (was that a goof?) with an appropriate thread title.

Mod note:  Now merged into this thread

 

[The Bread Guy]

CBC.ca

A version of the memo is posted online by CBC already.

And here it is (with thanks to CBC for sharing a document they're running a story about).

I mean what exactly has this Cpl "leaked" ?

Good question - we'll see if it goes to CM as some un-named sources are leaking suggesting.

 

[Halifax Tar]

And here it is.
Good question - we'll see if it goes to CM as some un-named sources are leaking suggesting.
I see a merge coming .....

I truly think seeking admin or discipline action on this will only make us look more heartless and cruel. 

If they were smrt they would have drove him to SISIP and begun the process of trying to repair his family finances.  Secondly I hope they start a top down investigation to ensure this wasn't caused by a link in his CoCs neglect and unwillingness to help a subordinate who was crying out for help.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

The rumour is true.
I reported it and posted a version of the story in a new topic (was that a goof?) with an appropriate thread title.

Mod note:  Now merged into this thread

Not a " goof", just that we like to keep things neat and tidy here.  Mike hires the best OCD folks no money can buy.......

 

[Occam]

I would say the CA would be hard pressed to argue that the Cpl "leaked" anything, but the timing of the release of the e-mail would certainly suggest that the threat of disciplinary action would also apply to those who find themselves the subject of media stories, such as the Cpl.

It's a desperate grasp to keep control over anything potentially embarrassing to the CA/CAF, that's for sure.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Mike hires the best OCD folks no money can buy.......

At least I'm in good company  ;D

 

[Journeyman]

There's nothing in the document indicating it's related to the Cpl.  His actions may be embarrassing to the CoC, but there was no "leaked info."

 

[Occam]

There's nothing in the document indicating it's related to the Cpl.  His actions may be embarrassing to the CoC, but there was no "leaked info."

I agree wholeheartedly that on the face of it, there's nothing stating that the memo has anything to do with the Cpl.  However, you'd have to be pretty naive to think that given the timing, it didn't play a factor in the rationale behind the memo.  Look how fast it got linked in the same thread as this story here on the forum. 

 

[cudmore]

The pursuit of "leakers" is not at all related to this corporal.  Different cases all together.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The 'rule' has always been to stay in your lanes. Don't talk about something that is not in your arcs.

I don't see that the Cpl was wrong in what he said and speaking of his rent, landlord and bills is within his arcs.

There was no leak in my opinion.

I'm sure sitting next to a garbage can and busking is at least as embarrassing for him as the story is to the CAF.

 

[Kat Stevens]

Surprised his posting message to Bagotville hasn't already been cut.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I agree wholeheartedly that on the face of it, there's nothing stating that the memo has anything to do with the Cpl.  However, you'd have to be pretty naive to think that given the timing, it didn't play a factor in the rationale behind the memo.  Look how fast it got linked in the same thread as this story here on the forum.

I think you will find that "the memo" pre-dates the Cold Lake issue by more than a few days.

 

[Occam]

Okay, I haven't seen the memo (other than the un-dated copy from CBC), so I'll take your word for it that it was out before the Cold Lake issue arose.  It just looked a little suspicious with the timing.

 

[X Royal]

His actions may be embarrassing to the CoC, but there was no "leaked info."

I agree no leaked information.
As for "may be embarrassing to the CoC" my guess it's only embarrassing to the chain of command due to it's embarrassing to the politicians. When the politicians feel any heat they start firing salvos at the easiest target which is the CDS. The CDS is a political appointee so he jumps when told to or won't be there too long. Crap quickly rolls down hill from this point.

 

[George Wallace]

Sun News coverage of this incident from 13 Jan 2013.

 

[Sub_Guy]

That's good for the Canadian Army, considering this guy is in Cold Lake and is probably a member of the RCAF. 

I can just imagine trying to keep everyone quiet from the early 90's when it seemed that every base had PMQ's that were falling apart, and the stories of soldiers going to food banks were common.  (I still think those stories about food banks were misleading)

 

[Occam]

Sun News coverage of this incident from 13 Jan 2013.

Well, he was close.

He gave the salary range of a Cpl as being $56568 to $74988, which is actually the range of Cpl 5A Standard IPC Basic to Cpl 5B Specialist 2 IPC 4.  The problem with that is that Cpl 5B is actually Master Corporal, and that Specialist 2 pay column is only paid out to a proportionally miniscule number of people such as SAR Techs, Flight Engineers and Mar Eng Articifers - and even fewer will be found at the Cpl rank. 

For all intents and purposes, the actual range for Corporals is $56568 to $67788.

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A small aside:  When are we finally going to get rid of the abomination of MCpl being an appointment and not a rank?  It not only confuses the media, it even confuses some of our own people.