Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

[PrairieFella]

How much more money are we going to funnel into the FN problem?

On that, I won't disagree

 

[PrairieFella]

How much more money are we going to funnel into the FN problem?

The money should freeze and there should be actual people, training programs and resources used to help them. It's a blight on our national honour and we have legal treaties with them. To start I'd scrap the chief system and make it a pure democracy, none of the patronage system which is all too common on reserves. Secondly, I'd invite any reserve that is isolated on barren land to move south and build towns nearer civilization so they can actually get a job where they exist. Unless we want to go the American route and go to war with them and commit unspeakable atrocities, which I don't, we must do something.

 

[Jarnhamar]

No, like poverty, mental illness and a complete lack of prospects in poor communities like reserves.

Have you found a candidate that has a good plan to deal with those?

 

[PrairieFella]

Have you found a candidate that has a good plan to deal with those?

Yes - I like the Canadian Future Party and intend to vote for then even though they have no hope of forming government. I've been speaking to my local reps and was involved early on in the party so I've got a pretty good idea on their plan. I hope the plan I know makes it into the platform come election time.

The next party that I think would best address that would be the NDP but I wouldn't vote for them due to the rest of their platform. Next would probably be Liberals. Then Conservatives. I have no idea what the Green and PPC poverty reduction strategy is and don't really care to find out.

At the end of the day, as long as poverty goes down and quality of life goes up for my fellow man, I'll be happy with whatever poverty reduction strategy is implemented. My faith and my sense of humanity require me to treat this as a priority. I hope that it's a priority for all of us religious or secular.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Nope. The damage is done and will last a lot longer than some think. It is a massive market but that in and of itself makes us vulnerable by relying on it. We need more diversification plain and simple. Including self sufficient industry and markets in house.

Most other markets we'd care to get involved with are larger than ours.

Most of Europe is one co-operating bloc. If we bet on it and for some reason it becomes dissatisfied with Canada on trade issues, we have the same problem.

China is a large market. If we bet on it and China becomes cross with us for some reason, we have the same problem.

It's highly unlikely we are going to be able to replace the volume of Canada-US trade with a lot of small-beer trading arrangements with dozens of individual countries.

Self-sufficiency and buying local are unlikely to meet the test of the purpose of trade I stated earlier. If they could, we'd already be doing it. Conceivably removals of some self-imposed costs can move some things across the more/less costly threshold. For that to work, three things are required: the cost delta has to be sufficient; we have to execute instead of talking; we have to maintain the changes. Another course is for Canadian producers to out-compete external producers on price.

The US tariffs aren't going to persist, at which point prior trading patterns will resume unless Canadian politicians act to thwart them. In that case, we will be the ones guilty of protectionism. If we do it for political purposes, we're no better than Trump.

 

[Remius]

Yes - I like the Canadian Future Party and intend to vote for then even though they have no hope of forming government. I've been speaking to my local reps and was involved early on in the party so I've got a pretty good idea on their plan. I hope the plan I know makes it into the platform come election time.

The next party that I think would best address that would be the NDP but I wouldn't vote for them due to the reproduction their platform. Next would probably be Liberals. Then Conservatives. I have no idea what the Green and PPC poverty reduction strategy is and don't really care to find out.

At the end of the day, as long as poverty goes down and quality of life goes up for my fellow man, I'll be happy with whatever poverty reduction strategy is implemented. My faith and my sense of humanity require me to treat this as a priority. I hope that it's a priority for all of us religious or secular.

Maybe I should post the more adult email Dominic Cardy sent about Carney, it’s the complete opposite of what the CPC is putting out and is actually effective. If they hadn’t been driven away from the party the people working on the CFP would be helping the CPC.

 

[PrairieFella]

Maybe I should post the more adult email Dominic Cardy sent about Carney, it’s the complete opposite of what the CPC is putting out and is actually effective. If they hadn’t been driven away from the party the people working on the CFP would be helping the CPC.

I was one of those people pushed away and now have a low double digit membership number in CFP.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Maybe I should post the more adult email Dominic Cardy sent about Carney, it’s the complete opposite of what the CPC is putting out and is actually effective. If they hadn’t been driven away from the party the people working on the CFP would be helping the CPC.

Please do.

 

[ArmyRick]

Yes - I like the Canadian Future Party and intend to vote for then

I can respect that choice and I do see the wisdom in doing so.

 

[PrairieFella]

I can respect that choice and I do see the wisdom in doing so.

One of the beauties of the Parliamentary system. Don't like it? Start a new party. More options and more perspectives is healthy for public discourse. Now if only we can get mixed member proportional representation haha.

 

[Remius]

Please do.

 

[Furniture]

Most other markets we'd care to get involved with are larger than ours.

Most of Europe is one co-operating bloc. If we bet on it and for some reason it becomes dissatisfied with Canada on trade issues, we have the same problem.

China is a large market. If we bet on it and China becomes cross with us for some reason, we have the same problem.

It's highly unlikely we are going to be able to replace the volume of Canada-US trade with a lot of small-beer trading arrangements with dozens of individual countries.

Self-sufficiency and buying local are unlikely to meet the test of the purpose of trade I stated earlier. If they could, we'd already be doing it. Conceivably removals of some self-imposed costs can move some things across the more/less costly threshold. For that to work, three things are required: the cost delta has to be sufficient; we have to execute instead of talking; we have to maintain the changes. Another course is for Canadian producers to out-compete external producers on price.

The US tariffs aren't going to persist, at which point prior trading patterns will resume unless Canadian politicians act to thwart them. In that case, we will be the ones guilty of protectionism. If we do it for political purposes, we're no better than Trump.

The point of diversifying beyond the USA is to make us less susceptible to any one market, whether that market be the EU, China, America, or Zambia. The point isn't to eliminate trade with America, just lessen our current dependence on them.

Lets suppose I eat beef 90% of the time, and occasionally eat chicken, pork, and seafood. My grocery bill is pretty heavily tied to the beef market, and changes in price/availability. If I decided to eat beef 40% of the time, and split my remain 60% of protein intake between pork, chicken and seafood, I'm less vulnerable to massive market changes for any one of them. If beef goes up by 25%, my grocery bill increases a bit, but I can shift to buying more pork, chicken, etc., to reduce the impact.

If Canada reduces our reliance on America, and increases our trade with Asia, Africa, and Europe. We become less susceptible to trade disruptions with any one them, as we already do large volumes of trade with others. It makes sense, if we are serious about being a real country, and not a discount supplier of raw resources to America.

 

[IKnowNothing]

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Damn that's refreshing.

 

[ArmyRick]

One of the beauties of the Parliamentary system. Don't like it? Start a new party. More options and more perspectives is healthy for public discourse. Now if only we can get mixed member proportional representation haha.

If only Oscar the Grouch or Smudge the Cat would consider starting a party

 

[Brad Sallows]

If Canada reduces our reliance on America, and increases our trade with Asia, Africa, and Europe. We become less susceptible to trade disruptions with any one them, as we already do large volumes of trade with others. It makes sense, if we are serious about being a real country, and not a discount supplier of raw resources to America.

Serious trade disruptions are uncommon. I suppose those who are willing to pay more out of their pockets may do so.

 

[Furniture]

Serious trade disruptions are uncommon. I suppose those who are willing to pay more out of their pockets may do so.

They were uncommon, but not unheard of. Things are changing, and planning for the world to go back to 1999, 2009, or 2019 is not realistic.

Again, we don't need to make panicked moves, but we do need to diversify.

 

[lenaitch]

LOL. I got the same thing. Who came up with that…

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But at least you are a TOP PATRIOT.

 

[Remius]

I was one of those people pushed away and now have a low double digit membership number in CFP.

To be honest I hope they run a candidate in my riding. I’ve been getting their emails for some time.

Like you said they don’t stand a chance. My motivation is that they may just get a decent enough size vote share to shake the CPC and shift to a more moderate centrist position and away from some of the garbage they’ve been spewing. Or if needed supplant them the next time after this election.

They have the only party policy platform that covers just about everything I would be onboard for.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

At the end of the day, as long as poverty goes down and quality of life goes up for my fellow man, I'll be happy with whatever poverty reduction strategy is implemented. My faith and my sense of humanity require me to treat this as a priority. I hope that it's a priority for all of us religious or secular.

So, soviet style apartment blocks, a living wage for everyone, paid for by taxpayers that work, and government issued food stamps and ration cards would fill the bill for you?

I only ask because it's not a priority for my secular self. My first priority is family, next is my small circle of support (friends). Roughly six families headed by ex military comrades. I assuage my conscience by donating yearly to the Salvation Army Harbour Light fund

 

[PrairieFella]

So, soviet style apartment blocks, a living wage for everyone, paid for by taxpayers that work, and government issued food stamps and ration cards would fill the bill for you?

I only ask because it's not a priority for my secular self. My first priority is family, next is my small circle of support (friends). Roughly six families headed by ex military comrades. I assuage my conscience by donating yearly to the Salvation Army Harbour Light fund

More like transitional housing to help people in tough spots get their feet under them and giving them a hand up with job training and placements. Have you ever actually interacted with the poor? I do relatively frequently at shelters and in my civvie career. The overwhelming majority of the ones that aren't completely torched from the drugs just want a job and to be productive members of society. Welfare and other state aids help but they're bandaids. The solution is helping these people help themselves.

Living wages sure would be nice too. Don't you think it's abhorrent giant mega corps like Walmart profit 10s of billions a year while their employees often need welfare and other social programs? Even from a purely conservative perspective, that means governments are essentially subsidizing private companies with wage subsidies. I think people working 40 hours a week should probably be allowed the luxury of groceries and electricity. I wish we lived in a world where shareholders would recognize the humanity of their employees and would profit a bit less to help out those who make them their money but alas, it's not the world we live in so I'll keep helping out at the shelter (which serves a lot of battered women or just parents in general working 40+ hours a week to support their children by the way).