Liberal Minority Government 2021 - ????

[Brad Sallows]

Previously, the next election was mostly going to be a personality election with a side of issues. One of the personalities was replaced. Now it is an issues election, with a side of personality, and Poilievre will have to alter his persona and the CPC will have to alter its collective personality to be seen as a "serious issues" party. They should execute that switch immediately.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You admit that there seems to be a directional change happening that's so hard and fast of 180 as to be bewildering.
It's only bewildering if you're stuck trying to reconcile PP's spin of "he's a continuation of JT" with said hard and fast 180.

He is definitely challenging PPs assertion that he is a continuation of JT.

 

[ArmyRick]

Previously, the next election was mostly going to be a personality election with a side of issues. One of the personalities was replaced. Now it is an issues election, with a side of personality, and Poilievre will have to alter his persona and the CPC will have to alter its collective personality to be seen as a "serious issues" party. They should execute that switch immediately.

The CPC still intends to build the homes (we need that), stop the crime (we need that), grow the economy (we need that) and ta-da still have to ax the stupid tax (its still there on the books as has been clearly pointed out, even if the rate is set to 0). @Brad Sallows , the rest of this post is not aimed at you.

For people who wet themselves with excitement every time the LPC climbs a point or two in the polls and declares "The CPC done for...". Just stop and think. I said it before and I'll say it again, Mark Carney speaks in public and people will be turned off by him. Yeah and turning on Rose-Mary Barton was a piss poor tactical move. Now I will wait for a certain someone to come frothing at the mouth to try and tear apart everything I say (Go for it, part of being an asshole is I don't care what some people think).

As for someone here comparing Mark lack of charisma to Stephen Harpers, I beg to differ. Harper was a sitting MP who at least had been elected in his own riding.

Folks, here is a reality check. Can Pierre and the CPC lose? Hell yes. Has he lost already? Hell NO! We still have a campaign to get started. Lets see how this rumble unfolds.

 

[ArmyRick]

I also said it before, go look at the polling results leading up to the elections for the last 32 years, wikipedia has a really good and easy to follow format for dummies like me. Its mind boggling. The polls are sometimes dead wrong and miss out the hidden X factors.

 

[Maxman1]

He is definitely challenging PPs assertion that he is a continuation of JT.

Not very well, considering he appointed the big names from Trudeau's cabinet, including Mendicino, possibly the most incompetent of them all, as his chief of staff.

 

[Maxman1]

I also said it before, go look at the polling results leading up to the elections for the last 32 years, wikipedia has a really good and easy to follow format for dummies like me. Its mind boggling. The polls are sometimes dead wrong and miss out the hidden X factors.

And especially 1984. It's like history is repeating now.

 

[Furniture]

I am just as astonished at the CPCs inability to navigate this.

Floundering, they name is Conservative Party of Canada.

Are they floundering, or simply keeping their powder dry? Why give more things away for the LPC to steal before the writ drops?

They are sitting even with a government that has had a very recent bump in popularity, based on changing leaders and implementing CPC ideas. The PLC can lose their current bump, just like the CPC lost theirs.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

PP won't present his full platform until the writ is dropped.

Everytime he expands on one of his platform points, Carney steals it.

The liberals are paying for polls all over the place. Those polls are directed at a certain demographic.

Conservatives seldom answer polls.

I'll wait and see the numbers after the election is called.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Are they floundering, or simply keeping their powder dry? Why give more things away for the LPC to steal before the writ drops?

They are sitting even with a government that has had a very recent bump in popularity, based on changing leaders and implementing CPC ideas. The PLC can lose their current bump, just like the CPC lost theirs.

We need an election.

 

[PrairieFella]

The CPC still intends to build the homes (we need that), stop the crime (we need that), grow the economy (we need that) and ta-da still have to ax the stupid tax (its still there on the books as has been clearly pointed out, even if the rate is set to 0). @Brad Sallows , the rest of this post is not aimed at you.

My gripe with Polievre as a former member of the party is those are just words and probably empty at that. You can't govern on slogans and he has done a passport job communicating how they'd actually build houses, address the root causes of crime or grow the economy beyond petrochemical development.

 

[Lumber]

The CPC still intends to build the homes (we need that), stop the crime (we need that), grow the economy (we need that) and ta-da still have to ax the stupid tax (its still there on the books as has been clearly pointed out, even if the rate is set to 0).

Unfortunately for PP, while these issues are important, they have become secondary issues to many Canadians.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... The liberals are paying for polls all over the place. Those polls are directed at a certain demographic ....

Does that include all those polls that showed Team Blue way up before PMJT said he'd GTFO, too?

I do agree, though, that THE poll that counts is the election. And in the words of the notorious Darius Kincaid ...

 

[Remius]

Easy to say. An underlying assumption is that tariffs last. If they don't last, the US is still a relatively (to us) massive market easily accessed by land.

The point of trade is to acquire things more cheaply from others than you can from yourself. Never lose sight of that; don't let it be occluded by emotion and political partisans manoeuvring for political advantage. A lot of people have, and are suggesting long-term changes based on what is highly likely to be a short-term aberration once their self-imposed tax pushes cost-of-living up.

Nope. The damage is done and will last a lot longer than some think. It is a massive market but that in and of itself makes us vulnerable by relying on it. We need more diversification plain and simple. Including self sufficient industry and markets in house.

The tariffs will start causing more pain and job losses here and people will not forget that. And Trumpism will outlive Trump. The US will no longer be reliable for us for at least a generation.

Anyone thinking that Trump is making us closer is not paying attention.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Does that include all those polls that showed Team Blue way up before PMJT said he'd GTFO, too?

I do agree, though, that THE poll that counts is the election. And in the words of the notorious Darius Kincaid ...
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That could well be. Although JT was so universally hated by everyone, including his own caucus, that it would be near impossible to get a poll supporting him.

The other thing that has me stymied, is that thousands of people that did a180° turnaround in four days and that turnaround was enough to flip the polls completely. Even Canadians are not that fickle.

I was born at night, but not last night baby.

 

[ArmyRick]

My gripe with Polievre as a former member of the party is those are just words and probably empty at that. You can't govern on slogans and he has done a passport job communicating how they'd actually build houses, address the root causes of crime or grow the economy beyond petrochemical development.

Brilliantly explained by this gentleman

PP won't present his full platform until the writ is dropped.

Everytime he expands on one of his platform points, Carney steals it.

 

[PrairieFella]

Brilliantly explained by this gentleman

I call bull. He's been using the same slogans for months with little concrete to go with it. It's bad campaigning because it makes him look unprepared.

 

[ArmyRick]

Nope. The damage is done and will last a lot longer than some think

Wish I had your crystal ball

It is a massive market but that in and of itself makes us vulnerable by relying on it

Yup, I agree with this statement for the most part.

The US will no longer be reliable for us for at least a generation.

Again, I wish I had your crystal ball

 

[IKnowNothing]

He is definitely challenging PPs assertion that he is a continuation of JT.

Fair enough,

 

[Quirky]

The polls are sometimes dead wrong and miss out the hidden X factors.

I've never been polled. Who the hell do they ask and what method do they use? I don't have a landline and don't answer strange numbers on my cell. Grain of salt.

 

[GR66]

The problem with waiting until the writ is dropped is that the CPC has let the Liberals off the hook. With Trudeau as the leader there wasn't a hope in hell of them winning. The CPC needed to push the message hard throughout the Liberal leadership that whomever they picked you are getting the same party with the same policies.

They should have anticipated that the Liberals would do a 180 on unpopular policies and got ahead of it and identified their hypocrisy by showing their history on the key topics (in a non-cartoon attack dog way). Instead they let them off the hook. Carney was able to take the spotlight and Canadians could see someone totally different than Justin Trudeau and presenting more gravitas than PP. It gave them the opportunity to actually view Carney as a possible alternative rather than just a face change. It will be much harder to overcome now that he's seen as a legitimate option than if they had filled the void left while the Liberals were still leaderless.