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[Remius]

Albertans rally for separation, saying things won’t change under Confederation

Albertans rally for separation, saying things won’t change under Confederation

Katheryn Speck was among hundreds of people who rallied at the Alberta legislature to support separation from Canada, with many in the crowd waving Alberta flags and a few even displaying the U.S. Stars and Stripes.

www.ctvnews.ca

the comments here show the really the type of people supporting this. Really trying to debate 3 on Twitter, they all commonly also believed 2014 was a cia coup in Ukraine and that Russia is winning the war. So I am starting to question is AB separatists are a foreign influenced destabilization campaign

The Bloc Redneckois. I didn’t come with it but funny…

 

[RangerRay]

Elections Canada released poll by poll results from 2021 that allows for the 2021 results to be compared with the new (2025) boundaries versus the old. Had 2021 been contested with the new boundaries, the Conservatives would have had stronger results than they did by 2-3%. So it could be fairly said that, save for any affect of demographic change in the riding since 2021, the redistribution likely made it a bit more conservative and should have favoured Poilievre.

Tables from Wikipedia, with data sourced from Elections Canada:

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Yeah I remember reading or hearing something about that. The new boundaries were supposed to make it stronger for him. Funny how the choices we make can completely change things.

 

[Jarnhamar]

they all commonly also believed 2014 was a cia coup in Ukraine

The CIA behind a coup? How preposterous.

 

[Lumber]

 

[Furniture]

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Easterners make stuff like this, then wonder where western separatism comes from...

The casual bigotry of Easterners toward the West is always fascinating to me, as a Maritimer disparaged by both groups.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Easterners make stuff like this, then wonder where western separatism comes from...

The casual bigotry of Easterners toward the West is always fascinating to me, as a Maritimer disparaged by both groups.

Wait until you hear one municipality diss another, right next door for the past 100 years, municipality.

It's one of those human things, unfortunately...

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God, we love Derry Girls.

www.facebook.com

 

[RangerRay]

In my youth in the aftermath of the second Quebec referendum, I toyed with the idea of BC independence for about a nanosecond. Mostly from a throwaway line I read in a book I read about the national unity question where the authors stated that the only province that had the economic ability to go it alone was BC. It didn’t take long for me to figure out that BC would go from being a part of one of the wealthiest, most influential countries in the world, to New Zealand. Don’t get me wrong, NZ is great. But their Air Force doesn’t have fighter jets. An independent BC would have to pay for all the trappings of being a state including a credible military, foreign service with embassies, a national security apparatus, etc. These things aren’t cheap. Taxes will have to go up. There goes any economic advantage you thought you had over neighbouring jurisdictions.

As for Alberta and/ or Saskatchewan becoming an economic powerhouse once the chains are broken from Ottawa, I don’t think so. A landlocked country of 4 million people with a single industry dependent on world exports is not ideal. And swapping imperial overlords in Ottawa for imperial overlords in Washington is laughable. Alberta would go from being the wealthiest province in the country with 4 million out of 40 million people to Oklahoma, if the Yanks grace you with statehood which is not guaranteed. You would more likely become a territory like Puerto Rico with no voting rights or representation.

Much of this rhetoric is being boosted by Russia, China and Iran, because this only benefits our enemies.

 

[daftandbarmy]

In my youth in the aftermath of the second Quebec referendum, I toyed with the idea of BC independence for about a nanosecond. Mostly from a throwaway line I read in a book I read about the national unity question where the authors stated that the only province that had the economic ability to go it alone was BC. It didn’t take long for me to figure out that BC would go from being a part of one of the wealthiest, most influential countries in the world, to New Zealand. Don’t get me wrong, NZ is great. But their Air Force doesn’t have fighter jets. An independent BC would have to pay for all the trappings of being a state including a credible military, foreign service with embassies, a national security apparatus, etc. These things aren’t cheap. Taxes will have to go up. There goes any economic advantage you thought you had over neighbouring jurisdictions.

As for Alberta and/ or Saskatchewan becoming an economic powerhouse once the chains are broken from Ottawa, I don’t think so. A landlocked country of 4 million people with a single industry dependent on world exports is not ideal. And swapping imperial overlords in Ottawa for imperial overlords in Washington is laughable. Alberta would go from being the wealthiest province in the country with 4 million out of 40 million people to Oklahoma, if the Yanks grace you with statehood which is not guaranteed. You would more likely become a territory like Puerto Rico with no voting rights or representation.

Much of this rhetoric is being boosted by Russia, China and Iran, because this only benefits our enemies.

Meanwhile, the Netherlands - 41,865 km² vs. Vancouver Island - 32,100 km²

Growth in gross domestic product (GDP) per capita, in real terms (after inflation) at purchasing power parity, between 2014 and 2024

How big is the Dutch economy?​

The size of the Dutch economy is measured in terms of its gross domestic product (GDP), which surpassed 1 trillion euros in 2023. GDP is the sum of all the goods and services produced in a country in one year. The Dutch economy is about four times larger than the Portuguese economy, for example, and almost twice the size of the Belgian economy. Meanwhile, the German economy is about four times the size of the Dutch economy.

How big is the Dutch economy?

The size of the Dutch economy is measured in terms of its gross domestic product (GDP), which surpassed 1 trillion euros in 2023.

longreads.cbs.nl

 

[RangerRay]

Bit more on that

King Charles will visit Ottawa to give May 27 throne speech

Prime Minister Mark Carney says King Charles will visit Ottawa to deliver the Speech from the Throne in Parliament on May 27.

torontosun.com

Our way of saying “Hey Donald! We already have a king! Please feck off.

By the way, you’re doing it wrong.”

 

[PrairieFella]

Albertans rally for separation, saying things won’t change under Confederation

Albertans rally for separation, saying things won’t change under Confederation

Katheryn Speck was among hundreds of people who rallied at the Alberta legislature to support separation from Canada, with many in the crowd waving Alberta flags and a few even displaying the U.S. Stars and Stripes.

www.ctvnews.ca

the comments here show the really the type of people supporting this. Really trying to debate 3 on Twitter, they all commonly also believed 2014 was a cia coup in Ukraine and that Russia is winning the war. So I am starting to question is AB separatists are a foreign influenced destabilization campaign

That was never in question.

 

[JLB50]

That was never in question.

The CIA for one has a long history of secretly financing the destabilization of other countries, especially in Latin America. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were in Alberta right now giving financial and strategic support to some of the separatist leaders.

 

[dapaterson]

Was the area Poilievre inherented in Ottawa after boundaries were redrawn mostly Conservative or mostly Liberal previously?

Based on the 2021 poll results redistributed, with no changes he would have been marginally ahead in 2025 with the new boundaries.

 

[dapaterson]

We probably don't need the cool guy Poilievre stuff anymore, he just got humiliated by a political nobody haha.

That's unfair. Carney was a public figure with a small p political presence in both Canada and in the UK before he entered the big P Political arena.

 

[daftandbarmy]

That's unfair. Carney was a public figure with a small p political presence in both Canada and in the UK before he entered the big P Political arena.

Typical of Canada, we were very proud of him .... right until the point he decided to enter the political arena

 

[Remius]

Based on the 2021 poll results redistributed, with no changes he would have been marginally ahead in 2025 with the new boundaries.

And a big suburban chunk of his former riding went to Ottawa South. McGuinty saw an increase of 19% vote share this time over the last. So it is possible that a significant portion of that may have voted against PP if the riding had stayed as it was.

 

[GK .Dundas]

Typical of Canada, we were very proud of him .... right until the point he decided to enter the political arena

I don't care where you stand politically, this is a basic truth. Which makes it both funny and sad simultaneously.

 

[The Bread Guy]

For the record, who raised how much between 1 Jan and 31 Mar 2025 (via Elections Canada) - highlight mine:

 

[YZT580]

The CIA for one has a long history of secretly financing the destabilization of other countries, especially in Latin America. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were in Alberta right now giving financial and strategic support to some of the separatist leaders.

or the chinese? They probably have more to gain than the u.s. by de-stabilizing any western country

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

I find interesting this passage in the article on Alberta's independence rally:

"In March, Smith threatened a “national unity crisis” if the next prime minister doesn’t acquiesce to a list of her demands within six months, but reiterated this week that she supports a sovereign Alberta within a united Canada."

I think I've seen that somewhere before. Ah! Yes! It was "souverainete-association", and IIRC, the rest of the country said "F.U.: you split or you stay - but not both."

I think its time for Alberta to also put the "oil and Gas Industry" thing behind them. There is more ( a lot more) to Alberta and its economy than just Oil and Gas, but lets add a little bit of perspective:

(1) If Alberta becomes independent, it will definitely not be able to put any pressure on any one to try and build more pipeline. In fact, its oil will become even more landlocked than it is now.

(2) The "Laurentian elites" are not preventing Alberta's oil and gas sector from producing their product. In fact, production of Alberta oil is currently at the highest level ever.

(3) There are no layoffs of oil and gas employees going on as of now. Employment is at its highest just about ever. Also, when there are layoffs in the industry these days, it is usually not the result of policy enacted in Ottawa, but as a result of the international price of oil being too low to justify exploration and the opening of new exploitation.

 

[The Bread Guy]

The CIA for one has a long history of secretly financing the destabilization of other countries, especially in Latin America. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they were in Alberta right now giving financial and strategic support to some of the separatist leaders.

Even ChatGPT says that might not be a great idea ....

ISSUE​

This briefing evaluates the strategic implications—opportunities and risks—of providing covert or overt support (financial, political, or informational) to separatist movements in Alberta, Canada, with the hypothetical aim of advancing U.S. geopolitical or economic interests.

BACKGROUND​

• Alberta is a resource-rich province within Canada, holding the world’s third-largest proven oil reserves.
• The province has experienced periodic surges in separatist sentiment, particularly during periods of perceived economic or political alienation from Ottawa (e.g., after federal environmental regulation or pipeline cancellations).
• The Alberta independence movement remains fringe, with no formal political traction at the federal level.
• Canada is the United States’ second-largest trading partner and closest diplomatic ally.
• U.S. energy security has been historically intertwined with Canadian supply routes and infrastructure.
  

CURRENT SITUATION​

• No credible evidence indicates significant momentum for Alberta separatism beyond online movements, disaffected voters, or minor political parties (e.g., Wildrose Independence Party).
• The Canadian federal government remains strongly opposed to any form of secession, and no province has a constitutional pathway to unilaterally separate.
• The U.S. publicly supports Canadian sovereignty and unity.
• Canada’s intelligence community is alert to foreign interference, especially from Russia and China—any indication of U.S. involvement could cause major diplomatic fallout.
  

STRATEGIC CONSIDERATIONS​

Pros of Supporting Alberta Separatism​

• Energy Access: A friendly, independent Alberta may prioritize oil exports to the U.S. and allow infrastructure projects (e.g., Keystone XL) blocked by Ottawa.
• Geopolitical Leverage: Undermining Canadian cohesion could increase U.S. influence in North America.
• Precedent: Sets a model for regional autonomy aligned with U.S. interests in other areas (e.g., Arctic access or minerals strategy).

Cons of Supporting Alberta Separatism​

• Alliance Fracture: Any interference risks rupturing relations with Canada—NATO ally, NORAD partner, and key intelligence-sharing state in Five Eyes.
• Destabilization Risk: Encouraging secession in a liberal democracy would undermine U.S. credibility globally.
• Economic Blowback: U.S. trade with Canada (>$850B/year) could be severely disrupted.
• Domestic Repercussions: Sets dangerous precedent amid U.S. own internal divisions (e.g., California or Texas secessionist rhetoric).
• Legal & Ethical Violations: Covert support for separatist movements violates international norms and could be exposed via leaks or whistleblowers.

OPTIONS​

1. No Action (Status Quo)

• Continue formal support for Canadian unity and avoid all forms of involvement.
• Pros: Maintains strong bilateral ties; upholds norms.
• Cons: No leverage in Alberta’s internal politics.
  

2. Soft Support via Public Diplomacy and Energy Messaging

• U.S. officials express support for provincial energy autonomy, not separatism.
• Pros: Stays within acceptable norms; signals support for Alberta interests.
• Cons: Could still be seen as provocative.

3. Covert Strategic Influence Campaign (NOT RECOMMENDED)

• Use proxies, NGOs, or information ops to boost separatist narratives.
• Pros: Potential influence over future political direction.
• Cons: High risk of exposure, major backlash.

4. Economic Incentives for Alberta-Based Cooperation (Within Canada)

• Enhance U.S.-Alberta trade and energy ties without endorsing separatism.
• Pros: Strengthens bilateral ties while respecting sovereignty.
• Cons: Limited impact on separatist sentiment.

RECOMMENDATION​

Option 1: Maintain Status Quo and Option 4: Increase Alberta-specific engagement within a united Canada.

Supporting separatism in Alberta—covertly or overtly—would severely damage the U.S.-Canada relationship, violate international norms, and provide no guarantee of favorable outcomes. Strengthening economic ties with Alberta, within the Canadian federation, offers a low-risk path to enhance U.S. influence.