Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

delight in eating apples

That was the interview where Poilievre called out the bullshit "people are saying" reporter right? Guy who couldn't say who was actually saying anything?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Good question. Knowing and not acting is worse.

Agreed, but …

Welcoming them with open arms in a move to obtain a majority government is double worse.

… I can’t remember seeing the “None so blind as those who will not see” principle in any list of good political leadership traits, either.

 

[ArmyRick]

And since we have some pearl clutching going on, may I remind everyone that MP Gladu of the NOW Liberals was the one who tweeted out a fake picture of former MP Chrystia Freeland depicted wearing a dildo.

How far back do those memories go?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I deleted the video. Some of his insults were a little over the line. The other insults (about Rosie missing obvious political cues) were more on point.

That being said, I couldn't find the original snippet on CBC, only as part of a longer (much longer) video.

Masterful use of exclamation points. Lovely adjectives. Objective. Insightful. Everything that media used to be.

 

[Altair]

That was the interview where Poilievre called out the bullshit "people are saying" reporter right? Guy who couldn't say who was actually saying anything?

I'm not going to say that this is all PP fault(although I suspect his team pushed that clip hard for the base), but what came from that interview?

To me, it was, hey, look at how PP owns this reporter. Look at how cool he is dismissing this reporter while chomping on an apple.

Which, if your goal is to be a successful owner of the libs, bravo, well done.

If your goal is come across as a serious leader of a major political party and maybe leader of the country, no, not a success.

But when it comes to performative nonsense like that or a serious Conservative, again, Chong, Ambrose, or Raitt, the CPC base will just pick Cooper or someone of that ilk to replace Pierre and call it a day.

 

[Jarnhamar]

… I can’t remember seeing the “None so blind as those who will not see” principle in any list of good political leadership traits, either.

Yes. Carney looking the other way at foreign interference in his party, and crossing the floor to join his party fits the bill.


Did you ever watch American History X, where Edward Norton goes to jail and immediately takes his shirt off displaying a swastika tattoo to show his colours? Seems like that's what our member of Parliament did shortly after getting to the LPC, which Carney shrugged off.

 

[ArmyRick]

Ambrose, or Raitt,

Not gonna happen, both made it clear they are done with politics

Cooper

Whats wrong with Cooper? He always hammer people with facts.

The Opposition is there to hold the government to account for their actions. That is what Coop dog does and he is good at it.

 

[Altair]

Not gonna happen, both made it clear they are done with politics

A shame as the country and the conservatives could use those serious people in their party.

Whats wrong with Cooper? He always hammer people with facts.

The Opposition is there to hold the government to account for their actions. That is what Coop dog does and he is good at it.

He's good at being an attack dog. Great for the base. He's not the guy I see being able to compromise or move the party towards the center.

He's what PP was before PP became leader.
It's funny, because in 2015, i was saying the same thing. PP had better not be leader because his attack dog style would just spook those on the left.

Post in thread 'The Next Conservative Leader'

13 Oct 2015

As long as it's not Pierre poilievre.

• Altair

 

[Jarnhamar]

I'm not going to say that this is all PP fault(although I suspect his team pushed that clip hard for the base), but what came from that interview?

To me, it was, hey, look at how PP owns this reporter. Look at how cool he is dismissing this reporter while chomping on an apple.

Which, if your goal is to be a successful owner of the libs, bravo, well done.

If your goal is come across as a serious leader of a major political party and maybe leader of the country, no, not a success.

But when it comes to performative nonsense like that or a serious Conservative, again, Chong, Ambrose, or Raitt, the CPC base will just pick Cooper or someone of that ilk to replace Pierre and call it a day.

That framing feels more like interpretation than evidence of impact.

The clip showed him challenging a vague “people are saying” line rather than dodging a concrete claim. Whether that reads as “serious leadership” or “performative” is subjective, but it’s not really the same as substantiating policy or competence either way.

Poilievre was right to call him out. It's telling when someone is more upset over the apple than the journalists clear inability to identify any actual sources. Which do you think is a bigger problem in Canada? A mouth full of pome or unethical journalism?

 

[ArmyRick]

I'm not going to say that this is all PP fault(although I suspect his team pushed that clip hard for the base), but what came from that interview?

To me, it was, hey, look at how PP owns this reporter. Look at how cool he is dismissing this reporter while chomping on an apple.

Which, if your goal is to be a successful owner of the libs, bravo, well done.

If your goal is come across as a serious leader of a major political party and maybe leader of the country, no, not a success.

But when it comes to performative nonsense like that or a serious Conservative, again, Chong, Ambrose, or Raitt, the CPC base will just pick Cooper or someone of that ilk to replace Pierre and call it a day.

Michael Chong would be a great replacement...But CCP in China will do anything and everything to torpedo his chances.

Other top dogs in the race to replace Pierre are Larry Brock, Michael Barret, Michael Cooper, Peter McKay if he wants to try again, Kelly Block (assuming she speaks french), Michelle RG, Sandra Cobena (she has become a CPC heavyweight in short time), Jasraj Hallan, Leslyn Lewis, just to name a few.

I assume you don't follow committee in parliament? Lots of good work gets done there.

I am assuming your not just looking for a weak CPC leader who the Liberals can bull doze right over?

 

[Altair]

That framing feels more like interpretation than evidence of impact.

The clip showed him challenging a vague “people are saying” line rather than dodging a concrete claim. Whether that reads as “serious leadership” or “performative” is subjective, but it’s not really the same as substantiating policy or competence either way.

Poilievre was right to call him out. It's telling when someone is more upset over the apple than the journalists clear inability to identify any actual sources. Which do you think is a bigger problem in Canada? A mouth full of pome or unethical journalism?

Politicians deal with unethical journalists all the time.

Rebel news went after Carney on trans issues knowning his family situation.

Carney just answered the question and moved on. Didn't make a big performance about it. Definately didn't eat an apple.

 

[ArmyRick]

A shame as the country and the conservatives could use those serious people in their party.

He's good at being an attack dog. Great for the base. He's not the guy I see being able to compromise or move the party towards the center.

He's what PP was before PP became leader.
It's funny, because in 2015, i was saying the same thing. PP had better not be leader because his attack dog style would just spook those on the left.

Post in thread 'The Next Conservative Leader'

13 Oct 2015

As long as it's not Pierre poilievre.

• Altair

Your stuck in the past and you DO NOT follow parliamentary Q and A or committee. Its obvious. Cooper always comes aggressively and with loads of facts and numbers. That is your issue if that upsets you..

 

[Altair]

Your stuck in the past and you DO NOT follow parliamentary Q and A or committee. Its obvious. Cooper always comes aggressively and with loads of facts and numbers. That is your issue if that upsets you..

Cooper is a great attack dog.

PP was a great attack dog.

Want to hold the governments feet to the fire, engage the base? Send in Poilievre or Cooper.

Want to grow the party, and not spook those in the center and those on the left? Pick a Chong type. Attack dogs, in my opinion, do not make great national leaders as they come across as zealots in their ideology. Trudeau suffered from this as well. I said many times, Trudeau needed to let up on pipelines and build them across the country and pay off Quebec by boosting bombardier or something. But he was a climate zealot and that worked until it didn't.

PP is the same way. Could PP have taken the consumer carbon tax cancellation as a win? He could have, but then he just switched to the industrial carbon tax as the new boggieman. Where is the compromise? There is none. He doesn't work on that spectrum. The closer Carney and the LPC get to his position, the further right he will tack. Cooper, I view in the same lense.

Now I might be wrong. I've been wrong before, like you. It's just my opinion on the matter.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Carney just answered the question and moved on. Didn't make a big performance about it. Definately didn't eat an apple.

And sometimes calling out unsupported claims is part of keeping things grounded in facts.

 

[Altair]

And sometimes calling out unsupported claims is part of keeping things grounded in facts.

Hey, if you liked the way he went about it, that's fine. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. You're allowed to like what you like.

I'm just saying, from my perspective, it didn't show the seriousness of gravitas I like to see from a leader of a country.

And i'm not saying he couldn't have called out the reporter. I'm saying I didn't like the way he went about calling out the reporter.

 

[ArmyRick]

Now I might be wrong. I've been wrong before, like you. It's just my opinion on the matter.

We agree on this.

Not often I say this.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Hey, if you liked the way he went about it, that's fine. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. You're allowed to like what you like.

I'm just saying, from my perspective, it didn't show the seriousness of gravitas I like to see from a leader of a country.

And i'm not saying he couldn't have called out the reporter. I'm saying I didn't like the way he went about calling out the reporter.

That's a great post

 

[ArmyRick]

Hey, if you liked the way he went about it, that's fine. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. You're allowed to like what you like.

I'm just saying, from my perspective, it didn't show the seriousness of gravitas I like to see from a leader of a country.

And i'm not saying he couldn't have called out the reporter. I'm saying I didn't like the way he went about calling out the reporter.

I am going to give Carney some props on this. He has shrugged off some low hanging fruits level insults or baiting pretty good and just moves on.

I stand by him being a better PM than JT, one of the reasons being is far more "political bearing" in his presentation.

 

[Altair]

We agree on this.

Not often I say this.

Hey, I've been plenty wrong before.

I thought Harper losing would result in PP never becoming leader.

Clearly I was wrong.

Post in thread 'Election 2015'

9 Sep 2015

So, for all the Harper Haters, what if the CPC won again and six months in the PM retires after a leadership convention and the new leader takes over.

Would that make the CPC more palatable? I think there are a lot of people that aren't even aware, one iota, of the various platforms and issues. Their only commonality and reason for voting is they don't like Harper.

They're willing to risk all kinds of financial woes, possible economic failure, maybe four years of irreparable damage, etc simply because they want to punish one man.

Watch what you ask for, you just might get it...

• Altair

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The Opposition is there to hold the government to account for their actions. That is what Coop dog does and he is good at it.

Which is exactly where the system went wrong, and the political parties (which, I remind every one are not - repeat - not part of our political system, but private entities seeking power through elections) usurped the power of Parliament: All MP not otherwise in government (meaning members of the council of ministers) are there to hold government to account on behalf of their riding's constituents.

If all Members of Parliament not otherwise PM, Ministers or Ministers without portfolios remembered that, our system would work so much better. Unfortunately, political parties (all of them) and the government in residence (the civil service) have emasculated Parliament to the point where, in majority government, the PM is basically a dictator for four to five years.