Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-to-cut-consumer-carbon-tax-out-of-law-1.7545352#:~:text=All%20remaining%20provisions%20are%20to%20be%20repealed,rely%20on%20existing%20rules%2C%22%20the%20document%20says.

The federal government moved on Tuesday to purge consumer carbon pricing from law, effectively putting an end to what was once the keystone of the Liberals' climate policy.

In a notice of motion tabled in the House of Commons, the government signalled it intends to repeal the law after the government used regulations to end the consumer carbon price in March. That move was Mark Carney's first official act after becoming prime minister.

Sigh x 3

 

[ArmyRick]

Before you rush to celebrate one on one issue (which took a full year to repeal that law that they implemented in the first place), you still have a plethora of other issues to tackle
-Energy
-Resource development
-TRADE DEAL with USA and Mexico
-Crime
-Immigration
-F35 decision (WAY over due)
-The federal portion of housing development (Way under the numbers he promised last year)

Explain away

 

[Altair]

Before you rush to celebrate one on one issue (which took a full year to repeal that law that they implemented in the first place), you still have a plethora of other issues to tackle
-Energy
-Resource development
-TRADE DEAL with USA and Mexico
-Crime
-Immigration
-F35 decision (WAY over due)
-The federal portion of housing development (Way under the numbers he promised last year)

Explain away

No Lucy.

 

[ArmyRick]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-to-cut-consumer-carbon-tax-out-of-law-1.7545352#:~:text=All%20remaining%20provisions%20are%20to%20be%20repealed,rely%20on%20existing%20rules%2C%22%20the%20document%20says.

Sigh x 3

And lets not forget whose STUPID law it was in the first place.

 

[Altair]

And lets not forget whose STUPID law it was in the first place.

I'm just glad i can clear up disinformation.

 

[ArmyRick]

No Lucy.

You gonna cry and moan, and threaten to quit the site again like 2022? Please do us a favour and rid of us of your annoyance.

You took it there.

 

[Altair]

You gonna cry and moan, and threaten to quit the site again like 2022? Please do us a favour and rid of us of your annoyance.

You took it there.

I would love to, but its a full time job correcting you on here.

I need to go find the sources, make sure they are accurate, copy paste it here.

And if i didnt people would believe the carbon tax is still on the books.

Not that i blame you, PP said this for months and never said a peep when c4 passed.

 

[SupersonicMax]

You gonna cry and moan, and threaten to quit the site again like 2022? Please do us a favour and rid of us of your annoyance.

You took it there.

Dude, time to take a break.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Before you rush to celebrate one on one issue (which took a full year to repeal that law that they implemented in the first place), you still have a plethora of other issues to tackle
-Energy
-Resource development
-TRADE DEAL with USA and Mexico
-Crime
-Immigration
-F35 decision (WAY over due)
-The federal portion of housing development (Way under the numbers he promised last year)

Explain away

The F35 decision is already made, and we know we're getting some and ramping up to get the original number of them with the infra, they just haven't made the full commitment. We also still have a trade deal with the US and Mexico, and no one can rationally bargain with Trump, who doesn't respect deals anyway, so expecting anyone to achieve that is unreasonable.

All the other things are generational strategic things, how much do you expect to get implemented in a year by anyone, especially as a lot of it is provincial and municipal? Immigration numbers were significantly cut though, but again reforming that whole system isn't quick or easy. A lot of it is societal as well, and not something a governement can do other than maybe influence the general direction anyway.

If nothing would satisfy you other than a whole sale wipeout of the current LPC, that's fine, but cricizing the current GoC and saying PP would have made any more real progress on any of that is unrealistic. It didn't happen with the Harper government PP was part of either (when he achieved very little as the housing lead), that's just how it goes in a democracy. If you want instant change go live in a dictatorship for a while.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Before you rush to celebrate one on one issue (which took a full year to repeal that law that they implemented in the first place), you still have a plethora of other issues to tackle
-Energy
-Resource development
-TRADE DEAL with USA and Mexico
-Crime
-Immigration
-F35 decision (WAY over due)
-The federal portion of housing development (Way under the numbers he promised last year)

Explain away

What magic handwaving do you think the CPC is going to do on these issues? I have voted Conservative my whole life but I am not ignorant enough to believe they could resolve your complaints with any sort of speed faster than currently happening.

So far Carney has put more money where his mouth is than any politician in the last 20 years.

Energy- what magic wand can he wave to make things happen? Harper couldn’t build quickly, why would Carney be able to?

Resource development- Again how quickly do you think any of this happens? Decades is the correct answer.

Trade deal with USA and Mexico- What do
you think PP could do the Liberals can’t? Trump doesn’t want a trade deal he wants submission. So unless your willing to accept a terrible deal, likely worse than the status quo, waiting it out is the best decision.

Crime- The Liberals could do more on this, but it isn’t just a Federal issue, a substantial part is also the provinces not doing their part and funding the judges and prisons needed.

Immigration- Numbers are drastically down compared to a few years ago. We actually shrank last year.

F35 decision- yes they could decide there but the other side is the Carney government is the first in almost 40 years to hit above 2% on defence. They are taking it seriously which something none of the other politicians or political parties in my lifetime can claim.

Housing- This all takes time. Amazing how poor decisions made decades ago have come to roost and it takes years to correct it.

 

[ArmyRick]

It didn't happen with the Harper government PP was part of either (

Small point, life in Canada was perceived as being much better during the Harper years. By a long shot.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Small point, life in Canada was perceived as being much better during the Harper years. By a long shot.

Maybe some of Harpers shine was 'T'd' up by the economic policies put in place by Paul Martin Jr? Another blue Liberal if there ever was one. Add in the bringing down the CAF defense spending to under 1% for a time and viola, let the good times roll.

I hate supporting the Liberals, but sometimes facts speak for themselves and ignoring them is not the best approach either.

 

[ArmyRick]

Maybe some of Harpers shine was 'T'd' up by the economic policies put in place by Paul Martin Jr?

I have said it here before, it was a good time to first have Martin then Harper. Both were excellent with finances.

I have also said it before, I was on a hair line decision between voting Martin Libs and Harper cons in 2004.

I hate supporting the Liberals,

Then don't. We have the same Liberal government that brought us a decade plus of ruin for everything, now has a new front man, the changes are very small, lots of talk and very little action.

I would take the Harper years (keeping in mind I turned against the Harper CPC after 2008) over Trudeau/Carney years any day of the week.