Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[ArmyRick]

"Where are the other floor crossers?" is my favorite one.

Go back and read further. I admit to making mistakes or at times admit I am guessing.

I am saying it this accepting floor crossings in these numbers is going to bite the liberals in the ass.

I can't tell you how or when.

I remember a cocky pro Liberal lady (a former work college) after Kathleen Wynne won her majority in Ontario in 2024 stating "Liberals will always run Ontario...blah, blah, blah" and in 2018? The party was done.

Enjoy this victory, payment is coming later.

CPC shows themselves to be a viable alternative to the LPC

And the media practically campaigning for the very ones handing them big pay cheques. Pierre and the CPC platform is excellent. Their messaging was off last election and Trump was the juggernaut that truly shaped the election.

For the Liberals now 13 months into Carney leadership, results matter and very, very few to date have been produced.

Quebec won't care. Some Albertans are sore losers.

Your Quebecois? Don't speak for them. The Bloc gets votes for a reason. Crapping over Albertans? Stupid move.

driven solely by my party didn't win, I

It isn't that at all. Albertans tossed gave the NDP a chance in 2015. They are flexible.

They are sitting on a gold mine and all the f*cking dithering and excuse mongering going on is getting sickening to unleashing something the world is begging Canada for. Imagine if you had 5 super rare apple trees in your backyard and the apples were so valuable that poeple pay top dollar for your apples. Then imagine someone telling you can only harvest half a tree each year and limit your potential. YOU would be pretty pissed I assume.

 

[ArmyRick]

agenda is driven solely by my party didn't win

How did the 121,027 Conservative voters who voted the 4 conservative floor crossers feel? They got the votes in those ridings and for selfish reasons, they cross the floor.

How do the 2,853 NDP voters feel about Lori crossing the floor?

Maybe legal but it is not moral.

 

[Altair]

Go back and read further. I admit to making mistakes or at times admit I am guessing.

I am saying it this accepting floor crossings in these numbers is going to bite the liberals in the ass.

I can't tell you how or when.

I remember a cocky pro Liberal lady (a former work college) after Kathleen Wynne won her majority in Ontario in 2024 stating "Liberals will always run Ontario...blah, blah, blah" and in 2018? The party was done.

Enjoy this victory, payment is coming later.

Based on a majority government, the logical answer is 2029. And to be honest, I would not be surprised. Liberals would have been in power 14 years at that point. Not only that, but majority governments have nowhere to hide. Cannot blame the opposition for playing games or being obstructionist when you control the HoC and all the committees. The good news is Carney can go ahead without these obstructions, but he will need to show results at the end of his mandate.

And the media practically campaigning for the very ones handing them big pay cheques. Pierre and the CPC platform is excellent. Their messaging was off last election and Trump was the juggernaut that truly shaped the election.

Not pivoting and addressing trump was a huge error for PP and co. I would like to see him lay out a plan that doesn't involved just assuming he can get closer ties to the USA though. His auto plan recently was drop tariffs and the Americans do he same. Uhhh...didn't we try that? What's the plan for if that fails?

I also maintain that of PP wasn't just angling to ensure the LPC failed as opposed to working with them to address the threat from trump, he would be more popular and his MPs wouldn't be bailing. I understand that isn't his personality, he's always been a true blue attack dog but that may be why he's in the situation he's in.

Your Quebecois?

Yes.

Don't speak for them.

See above.

The Bloc gets votes for a reason.

Not every federal vote for the bloc is a vote for sovereignty. Not even every vote for the PQ is a vote for sovereignty. There is a lot of nuance and people vote for these parties for many reasons, not simply sovereignty.

Crapping over Albertans? Stupid move.

I said some. Most are good, honest, hard working Canadians who are proud of their country. 20-30 percent are having a temper tantrum.

It isn't that at all. Albertans tossed gave the NDP a chance in 2015. They are flexible.

Yes. Most are. 20-30 percent are having a temper tantrum.

They are sitting on a gold mine and all the f*cking dithering and excuse mongering going on is getting sickening to unleashing something the world is begging Canada for.

So private enterprise had better get busy then. Or the Alberta government has better make a crown corp.

Imagine if you had 5 super rare apple trees in your backyard and the apples were so valuable that poeple pay top dollar for your apples. Then imagine someone telling you can only harvest half a tree each year and limit your potential. YOU would be pretty pissed I assume.

Sure, that said, I haven't seen a flood of companies saying they are interested since the MOU was inked. Which is honestly fine, I don't care if Smith or Alberta fund it directly and own it themselves. I just don't want the feds doing it. We Canadians already bought one pipeline. Someone else can build the next one.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Quebec won't care. Some Albertans are sore losers. If your separatist agenda is driven solely by my party didn't win, I want out, then you aren't running a sovereignty project, you're having a temper tantrum.

Is this where I mention the Plains of Abraham and 267 years of pouting and temper tantrums, but in French ?

 

[Altair]

How did the 121,027 Conservative voters who voted the 4 conservative floor crossers feel? They got the votes in those ridings and for selfish reasons, they cross the floor.

How do the 2,853 NDP voters feel about Lori crossing the floor?

Maybe legal but it is not moral.

This is the bad part of first past the post.

Sure there are 121,027 conservative voters who may feel ticked off

But there are also many people in those riding who didn't vote conservative. LPC voters, NDP voters.

When someone says they listen to their constituents, it doesn't just mean the constituents who voted for them.

 

[ArmyRick]

Sure, that said, I haven't seen a flood of companies saying they are interested since the MOU was inked.

There is still several bills like C69 and the no tanker ban (or CANADIAN tanker ban as foreign ones are free to use the waters)

Many corporations have damn good reason to not trust Carney and the Liberals, and they will not use bill C5.

 

[ArmyRick]

This is the bad part of first past the post.

Sure there are 121,027 conservative voters who may feel ticked off

But there are also many people in those riding who didn't vote conservative. LPC voters, NDP voters.

When someone says they listen to their constituents, it doesn't just mean the constituents who voted for them.

2 of those ridings were more than 50% conservative. Your reaching and you know it.

 

[Altair]

There is still several bills like C69 and the no tanker ban (or CANADIAN tanker ban as foreign ones are free to use the waters)

Many corporations have damn good reason to not trust Carney and the Liberals, and they will not use bill C5.

The MOU will suspend the no tanker ban.

 

[Altair]

2 of those ridings were more than 50% conservative. Your reaching and you know it.

So do the less than 50 percent not count? Or are we to assume that every single person voted for party and not individual? Or are we to assume that nobody has changed their minds since then?

Im not going to sit here and defend first past the post, but in terms of how things work, there are many constituents, who voted for many reasons, not simply because of party, and not all of them may be of like mind today

 

[Altair]

Is this where I mention the Plains of Abraham and 267 years of pouting and temper tantrums, but in French ?

Quebec separatists are having a longer, more culturally based temper tantrum, but a temper tantrum none the less.

 

[ArmyRick]

So do the less than 50 percent not count? Or are we to assume that every single person voted for party and not individual? Or are we to assume that nobody has changed their minds since then?

Im not going to sit here and defend first past the post, but in terms of how things work, there are many constituents, who voted for many reasons, not simply because of party, and not all of them may be of like mind today

Or we go to a by election. And don't lecture me about cost because Freeland and Blair had no issue stepping down (the Liberals said nothing but many complained for Poilievre by election).

By election.

 

[ArmyRick]

Not every federal vote for the bloc is a vote for sovereignty.

"The Bloc Quebecois is a federal political party in Canada devoted to Quebec NATIONALISM, social democracy and Quebecois SOVEREIGNTY..."

Come again?

Translated from their own website.

Thats like agreeing to fight in the Octagon in the UFC and then not realizing your probably going to get punched in the face.

 

[ArmyRick]

Just a friendly reminder

Only 8,595,488 People voted Liberals last federal election

However there were 10,823,398 Canadians who did NOT vote Liberal.

That is why many are not impressed with the floor crossings galore going on right now. Or don't be chicken shit and head to by elections.

 

[ArmyRick]

Why Liberals fail at governing, everytime

Watch this video, don't pull that "I don't watch far right bullshit..." Thats a fucking weak cop out. If I can suffer through Rachel Gilmore and Laura Babcock, you can watch this. The Liberal convention attendees are given a chance to answer questions. It shows the Liberal supporters giving very weak vague answers and never anything specific.

The Liberal house is built on sand.

 

[Altair]

"The Bloc Quebecois is a federal political party in Canada devoted to Quebec NATIONALISM, social democracy and Quebecois SOVEREIGNTY..."

Come again?

Translated from their own website.

Thats like agreeing to fight in the Octagon in the UFC and then not realizing your probably going to get punched in the face.

This is why I get to talk for those in Quebec, due to being born there and living there until I joined the CAF.

First thing. The bloc. They cannot DO anything in Ottawa to bring about Quebec sovereignty. They can vote for issues that they feel protect Quebec, but they cannot bring about a referendum or anything like that.

Which is why if you look at the bloc Québécois Platform during elections, it's longer that just "we are sovergnists....that's it, what more do you want?"

For the parti québécois, that's different. With them you're definitely voting for the vehicle of separation. But even then, people vote for them on other issues. Better health care plan, more social programs, taxes. Some people have the idea you vote the parti québécois in, vote non in the referendum.

So it's not so cut and dry.

 

[Jarnhamar]

So do the less than 50 percent not count? Or are we to assume that every single person voted for party and not individual? Or are we to assume that nobody has changed their minds since then?

Im not going to sit here and defend first past the post, but in terms of how things work, there are many constituents, who voted for many reasons, not simply because of party, and not all of them may be of like mind today

Anti-vax, opposition to aspects of LGBTQ+ policy, "traditional family values", pro freedom convoy, strong supporter of Oil & gas sector, conservative MP suddenly "listens to Liberal and NDP constituents" and has a change of heart. That's a Hallmark movie in the making.

 

[Altair]

Anti-vax, opposition to aspects of LGBTQ+ policy, "traditional family values", pro freedom convoy, strong supporter of Oil & gas sector, conservative MP suddenly "listens to Liberal and NDP constituents" and has a change of heart. That's a Hallmark movie in the making.

How bad are things in the CPC that someone like that comes to the conclusion that the LPC is better?

I think we are seeing something unprecedented in Canadian federal politics. 4 floor crossers from one party, 1 from another in a year.

Last time we saw movement like this was what, 1990? 6 conservatives, 2 liberals to form the Bloc Québécois? And that was after the failure of Meech Lake.

So either Carney is that good, or PP is that bad or Trump is causing a seismic shift in Canadian politics on par with Meech lake or a combination of all three.

I'm going to go with a combination of all three.

 

[Czech_pivo]

How bad are things in the CPC that someone like that comes to the conclusion that the LPC is better?

I think we are seeing something unprecedented in Canadian federal politics. 4 floor crossers from one party, 1 from another in a year.

Last time we saw movement like this was what, 1990? 6 conservatives, 2 liberals to form the Bloc Québécois? And that was after the failure of Meech Lake.

So either Carney is that good, or PP is that bad or Trump is causing a seismic shift in Canadian politics on par with Meech lake or a combination of all three.

I'm going to go with a combination of all three.

I’d say a mixture of all 3 as well.
Carney can’t walk on water. PP doesn’t seem to be the boogie man and Trump, well he is what he is.

 

[Altair]

I’d say a mixture of all 3 as well.
Carney can’t walk on water. PP doesn’t seem to be the boogie man and Trump, well he is what he is.

As long as you recognise you are saying that people are crossing the floor in unprecedented numbers because Carney cannot walk on water and PP isn't a boogie man.

Seems to be weird reasons to cross to the floor, but that might just be me.

 

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/analysis-alberta-separation-indigenous-treaty-rights-court-9.7160026

“It’s just hard to see how any province could separate from Canada with its existing borders attached if Indigenous people of that province are opposed,” he said.

It’s not a formal veto, Macfarlane said, “but it would flow from an application and a recognition of the treaty system as part of the Constitution. And if a province can't unilaterally tear up a treaty, which we know they can't, then they are at the very least indirectly prevented from secession.”

I would find it incredibly hilarious if this half baked nonsensical temper tantrum being lead by Jeffrey Rath accidentally kneecaps the Quebec sovereignty movement.

In a weird roundabout way, Jeffrey Rath and Danielle Smith might end up strengthening Canada for generations.