Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[HavokFour]

rumours of another 3 MPs crossing the aisle

https://twitter.com/x/status/2045665846509605090

The urge to make bingo cards is so strong.

 

[Jarnhamar]

But there’s now relatively less to potentially gain for crossers than before.

Exactly.

 

[ytz]

To be fair, I suspect that no one in the US Administration or the Islamic Regime knows exactly what is going on. My guess is that the IRGC and other political factions in the Regime have fallen out with each other and any monies being paid out by shipping companies is not going to the factions with the guns/drone/boats and they are pissed as corruption income is what sustained them. Hopefully we are seeing the final days as the regime eats itself. But I am sure the Western Progressives will do their best to "Save the regime" for some godforsaken reason.

Some tech guys suggested this a decade ago. Proposing clawing back public subsidies to those who leave, because they couldn't compete with Silicon Valley salary offers. This was from a decade ago:

There should be consequences for Ontario grads leaving Canada: CEOs

Group says grads who flock to U.S. high-tech firms should have to reimburse Canadian taxpayers for their subsidized tuition

www.theglobeandmail.com

Ontario graduates who leave for US told to ‘reimburse taxpayers’

CEO lobby group in Canada says government should introduce policies to retain talented graduates

www.timeshighereducation.com

It's not new. Every 10 years or so somebody runs it up the flagpole. They will do anything to avoid paying more. Ironically, the government flooding the market with immigrants (supported by all these companies) is suppressing tech (and other) wages here, making it that much more attractive for top grads to leave. So now they want to block the exit.

 

[Lumber]

The urge to make bingo cards is so strong.

I have this idea that a few of those "10 potential floor crossers" we heard about earlier were essentially playing chicken with each other, unwilling to be the one that "gave the liberals a majority". Now that that's a done deal, they may be more ready to cross over, as their defection will have "less" of an impact on the overl state/power of the government, and therefore (perhaps) piss off their constituents less.

 

[ArmyRick]

I find it interesting that we have obsession over whether there will be another floor crosser or ten. At this point, it changes very little.

Instead, what if we focus on what the Liberals need to do with that new majority? How about immigration, foreign aid, crime, defence, security, economy, energy, affordability, inter provincial trade, etc?

I suspect you DON'T want to talk about it because the Liberals track record so far doesn't look good. And they have a majority now, as Warren Kinsella says "So what?"

Deeds not words.

 

[ArmyRick]

So I asked Google AI "what issues have the Carney Liberal government failed to deal with?"

Here is what it spat out. Take with a grain of suspicion

Based on information through April 2026, Mark Carney’s Liberal government—which took power in March 2025—has faced criticism for failing to adequately address several core issues, despite taking a more technocratic, centrist approach compared to its predecessor. While the government has focused on policy reversals and securing a majority through a 2026 byelection sweep, critics argue they have not solved key affordability and structural problems.

Issues the Carney government has been accused of failing to deal with or managing inadequately include:

• Persistently High Cost of Living: Despite some tax adjustments, including a middle-class tax cut, critics argue that the overall cost of living remains high, with grocery, housing, and gas prices continuing to challenge Canadians.
• Housing Affordability and Supply: Although promising a major housing plan (doubling construction to 500,000 homes a year), opposition critics contend the government has not yet translated policy into sufficient, immediate, or affordable housing, leaving many young Canadians struggling with affordability.
• Economic Stagnation: Critics, including Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre, argue that the economic policies are continuing a "decade of decline" in productivity and per capita GDP, with high government spending still causing economic concerns.
• Criminal Justice and Crime: Despite passing a new bail reform act (Bill C-14) to address violent crime, some argue that these measures only strengthen the law at the margins, with complaints about the continued release of repeat offenders.
• Energy and Resource Infrastructure: While trying to balance a greener agenda, the government has faced scrutiny over whether its support for LNG projects and infrastructure, such as pipelines, is sufficient or moving fast enough to boost the Canadian economy, even with a new, more pro-development tone.
• Healthcare Strain: Critics say the government has not successfully addressed the pressure on Canada's healthcare system, particularly in the face of ongoing demographic and immigration challenges.
• Fiscal Management: Critics argue that despite talk of "austerity and investment," the government has not significantly reduced the overall deficit or cut enough from the inflated federal civil service to restore fiscal sustainability.
• Military Readiness: Critics argue the government has not moved fast enough to meet NATO defense spending targets, with questions remaining over whether the armed forces are sufficiently equipped.
• Global Instability and Trade: The government has been criticised for its handling of relations with the U.S. and for not doing enough to support Canadians against Trump-era tariffs.

They list a bunch of sources, not sure how to copy those links here without making a mess.

So while some here (who oddly seem to be quick to criticize Pierre/CPC), the CBC, some other media are obsessing over Pierre leading the CPC and the opposition, the real day to day issues that actually affect Canadians go without scrutiny.

The Liberals are big on promises and excuses, but very short on results. Lets see what actually gets done as net results for our nation.

 

[dapaterson]

However, there's also the question of "how much will the incentive shrink, so do I grab it now"?

 

[suffolkowner]

So I asked Google AI "what issues have the Carney Liberal government failed to deal with?"

Here is what it spat out. Take with a grain of suspicion

Based on information through April 2026, Mark Carney’s Liberal government—which took power in March 2025—has faced criticism for failing to adequately address several core issues, despite taking a more technocratic, centrist approach compared to its predecessor. While the government has focused on policy reversals and securing a majority through a 2026 byelection sweep, critics argue they have not solved key affordability and structural problems.

Issues the Carney government has been accused of failing to deal with or managing inadequately include:

• Persistently High Cost of Living: Despite some tax adjustments, including a middle-class tax cut, critics argue that the overall cost of living remains high, with grocery, housing, and gas prices continuing to challenge Canadians.
• Housing Affordability and Supply: Although promising a major housing plan (doubling construction to 500,000 homes a year), opposition critics contend the government has not yet translated policy into sufficient, immediate, or affordable housing, leaving many young Canadians struggling with affordability.
• Economic Stagnation: Critics, including Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre, argue that the economic policies are continuing a "decade of decline" in productivity and per capita GDP, with high government spending still causing economic concerns.
• Criminal Justice and Crime: Despite passing a new bail reform act (Bill C-14) to address violent crime, some argue that these measures only strengthen the law at the margins, with complaints about the continued release of repeat offenders.
• Energy and Resource Infrastructure: While trying to balance a greener agenda, the government has faced scrutiny over whether its support for LNG projects and infrastructure, such as pipelines, is sufficient or moving fast enough to boost the Canadian economy, even with a new, more pro-development tone.
• Healthcare Strain: Critics say the government has not successfully addressed the pressure on Canada's healthcare system, particularly in the face of ongoing demographic and immigration challenges.
• Fiscal Management: Critics argue that despite talk of "austerity and investment," the government has not significantly reduced the overall deficit or cut enough from the inflated federal civil service to restore fiscal sustainability.
• Military Readiness: Critics argue the government has not moved fast enough to meet NATO defense spending targets, with questions remaining over whether the armed forces are sufficiently equipped.
• Global Instability and Trade: The government has been criticised for its handling of relations with the U.S. and for not doing enough to support Canadians against Trump-era tariffs.

They list a bunch of sources, not sure how to copy those links here without making a mess.

So while some here (who oddly seem to be quick to criticize Pierre/CPC), the CBC, some other media are obsessing over Pierre leading the CPC and the opposition, the real day to day issues that actually affect Canadians go without scrutiny.

The Liberals are big on promises and excuses, but very short on results. Lets see what actually gets done as net results for our nation.

housing and healthcare on the surface would seem to be a provincial failing
defence spending is way up

 

[Halifax Tar]

I find it interesting that we have obsession over whether there will be another floor crosser or ten. At this point, it changes very little.

Instead, what if we focus on what the Liberals need to do with that new majority? How about immigration, foreign aid, crime, defence, security, economy, energy, affordability, inter provincial trade, etc?

I suspect you DON'T want to talk about it because the Liberals track record so far doesn't look good. And they have a majority now, as Warren Kinsella says "So what?"

Deeds not words.

It's all partisan politics.

Pollievre is basically having his nosed rub in the mess by the LPC and the mainstream media.

And Pollievre is being out politiked by PMMC.

They best thing for him and the CPC right now would be for him to retire from politics.

 

[ArmyRick]

defence spending is way up

Spending alone isn't the only issue.

What is being done about the F35 decision? What about NORAD? What submarine purchase? There is a lot more that needs dealing with sooner rather than later.

housing and healthcare on the surface would seem to be a provincial failing

With federal money involved and involvement. Its not a standalone provincial matter only.

 

[suffolkowner]

Spending alone isn't the only issue.

What is being done about the F35 decision? What about NORAD? What submarine purchase? There is a lot more that needs dealing with sooner rather than later.


With federal money involved and involvement. Its not a standalone provincial matter only.

F35 decision is being slow walked IMO. We're up to 30 ordered now. Is there a rush?
What about NORAD? Did we not order new 3 new radar systems?
Submarine purchase decision coming in the summer(?) Pretty fast process IMO

What do you want the Feds to do claw back money from provinces that cant manage healthcare or housing?

 

[ArmyRick]

It's all partisan politics.

Pollievre is basically having his nosed rub in the mess by the LPC and the mainstream media.

And Pollievre is being out politiked by PMMC.

They best thing for him and the CPC right now would be for him to retire from politics.

And you are the crowd the CBC/Liberals are going after. More interested in tearing apart the CPC and LESS or NO scrutiny of the Liberals.

Does hating Pierre (your right to do so) make life better for anyone else? If majority of Conservatives want Pierre to stay, then he stays. We will reap the rewards or suffer the consequences.

I challenge you, to scrutinize the Liberals as much, if not more than you scrutinize Pierre.

If you can't see the game being played here, I can't help you.

Funny there has been a few former Liberals saying how odd it is to put the spotlight on the CPC more so than the governing party.

On a another note, FAR more money leaves Canada than what comes in. That must be Pierre's fault too.

What will you do if Pierre pulls pin or gets tossed, then another CPC leader is voted in and I guarantee you, the character assassination will be uglier this time. Way uglier. Will you go along with it?

Many here want a "nice" CPC leader. Why? So that Mark Carney could have gotten an overwhelming majority last spring instead of a minority.

We don't need a "nice" leader or a weak ass leader (which is what the Liberals here are begging for), we need an EFFECTIVE leader. Very few attack the meat and potatoes of Pierre's words, decisions and policies. Instead they attack his tone, his opposition to government, his "attack dog" style, his appearance, etc. Hell, I remember when a few people here were poking fun at Trudeau being "significantly taller" than Pierre (there is an inch difference in height between them). Good thing we don't use that stupid standard currently as Pierre towers over the hunched back Carney.

 

[Jarnhamar]

housing and healthcare on the surface would seem to be a provincial failing
defence spending is way up

Provinces run the system day to day, so access and wait-time failures are largely provincial. Federal funding/standards shape the constraints.

 

[ArmyRick]

Is there a rush?

Ask pilots flying 44 year old aircraft

 

[suffolkowner]

Ask pilots flying 44 year old aircraft

there's no point buying aircraft quicker than we can train the maintainers or pilots either

 

[ArmyRick]

there's no point buying aircraft quicker than we can train the maintainers or pilots either

That is but one issue that shows the TRUE nature of the Liberals. They are the ones who shut down the F35 deal, then years later decided we needed them, then change leader, then put the order on hold again, because "orange man bad". And here we are, fucking around for political gains, with an important issue.

That is only one amongst many other issues going on with the Liberals.

Face it, excuse mongering won't hide the truth, the Liberals are obsessed with gaining power and then keeping it at all cost.

I noticed you steered away from defending other many issues the Liberals keep failing at. Over and over again. While the $1.6 billion dollar funded CBC or the $2 million+ subsidized CTV defend the Liberals, distract away from them and focus on the NON-GOVERNING CPC.

Thats why we as nation look like Clowns.

 

[ytz]

They best thing for him and the CPC right now would be for him to retire from politics.

Why?

The chances of the Liberals winning in 2029 are low. Just given history. How many times has a party won 6 straight elections in Canadian history? And there's no Trump in 2029. He'll have tailwinds.

Flip side. Good time for a more likeable candidate to make their move for the throne and do to Pierre what he did to Erin.

 

[Jarnhamar]

They best thing for him and the CPC right now would be for him to retire from politics.

There doesn't seem to be many candidates for the official opposition leader role that would go toe to toe against Carney, and willing to be the attack dog we need to keep biting at what the Liberal Party is doing.

Canadians didn't vote for a majority government, Carney orchestrated it. Best keep an eye on him.

 

[dapaterson]

there's no point buying aircraft quicker than we can train the maintainers or pilots either

Depends on production timelines. Incremental costs associated with maintaining a low rate production line to meet our demand curve may well exceed the cost to buy early and preserve / maintain until needed.

 

[ytz]

there's no point buying aircraft quicker than we can train the maintainers or pilots either

Or make aircraft. We're not getting delivery slots that are all booked up. We have already started the transition. People are posted. Infrastructure is getting built. Trying to speed up may actually end up messing up the transition needlessly at this point. At best deliveries in the out years (2030+) can be sped up a bit.