Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[suffolkowner]

Depends on production timelines. Incremental costs associated with maintaining a low rate production line to meet our demand curve may well exceed the cost to buy early and preserve / maintain until needed.

Is that a factor? Or is the F35 not intended to be produced at 150+ throughout our procurement window?
2026=4
2027=4
2028=8
2029=14
2030=14?
2031=14?
2032=14?
2033=16?

88 fighters

 

[dapaterson]

Is that a factor? Or is the F35 not intended to be produced at 150+ throughout our procurement window?
2026=4
2027=4
2028=8
2029=14
2030=14?
2031=14?
2032=14?
2033=16?

88 fighters

There are other, equally important aircraft purchases ongoing, some of which may face end of line issues (P8, current configuration Airbus MRTT...)

 

[suffolkowner]

Why?

The chances of the Liberals winning in 2029 are low. Just given history. How many times has a party won 6 straight elections in Canadian history? And there's no Trump in 2029. He'll have tailwinds.

Flip side. Good time for a more likeable candidate to make their move for the throne and do to Pierre what he did to Erin.

I think it would be 5 elections and would tie the record. Best bet have the election while Trump is still in

 

[suffolkowner]

There are other, equally important aircraft purchases ongoing, some of which may face end of line issues (P8, current configuration Airbus MRTT...)

I dont follow. Do we not have a delivery timetable already for the P8s and MRTTs?

 

[ArmyRick]

Mods,

I think I see a potential split here. This should be focusing on the Liberal now Majority and their governing.

Is it time to split off Pierre leadership and the CPC?

 

[dapaterson]

I dont follow. Do we not have a delivery timetable already for the P8s and MRTTs?

Yes. And it is driven in part by when the a/c can be produced, versus when the RCAF would be best positioned to receive and integrate them.

 

[ArmyRick]

@suffolkowner @dapaterson

Before we get further on F35/military aircraft rabbit hole, should we take it over to the appropriate threads?

 

[suffolkowner]

That is but one issue that shows the TRUE nature of the Liberals. They are the ones who shut down the F35 deal, then years later decided we needed them, then change leader, then put the order on hold again, because "orange man bad". And here we are, fucking around for political gains, with an important issue.

That is only one amongst many other issues going on with the Liberals.

Face it, excuse mongering won't hide the truth, the Liberals are obsessed with gaining power and then keeping it at all cost.

I noticed you steered away from defending other many issues the Liberals keep failing at. Over and over again. While the $1.6 billion dollar funded CBC or the $2 million+ subsidized CTV defend the Liberals, distract away from them and focus on the NON-GOVERNING CPC.

Thats why we as nation look like Clowns.

well the orange man is bad IMO and it was a massive failure of the CPC not to embrace that
I like the CBC more or less

 

[Halifax Tar]

And you are the crowd the CBC/Liberals are going after. More interested in tearing apart the CPC and LESS or NO scrutiny of the Liberals.

Does hating Pierre (your right to do so) make life better for anyone else? If majority of Conservatives want Pierre to stay, then he stays. We will reap the rewards or suffer the consequences.

I challenge you, to scrutinize the Liberals as much, if not more than you scrutinize Pierre.

If you can't see the game being played here, I can't help you.

Funny there has been a few former Liberals saying how odd it is to put the spotlight on the CPC more so than the governing party.

On a another note, FAR more money leaves Canada than what comes in. That must be Pierre's fault too.

What will you do if Pierre pulls pin or gets tossed, then another CPC leader is voted in and I guarantee you, the character assassination will be uglier this time. Way uglier. Will you go along with it?

Many here want a "nice" CPC leader. Why? So that Mark Carney could have gotten an overwhelming majority last spring instead of a minority.

We don't need a "nice" leader or a weak ass leader (which is what the Liberals here are begging for), we need an EFFECTIVE leader. Very few attack the meat and potatoes of Pierre's words, decisions and policies. Instead they attack his tone, his opposition to government, his "attack dog" style, his appearance, etc. Hell, I remember when a few people here were poking fun at Trudeau being "significantly taller" than Pierre (there is an inch difference in height between them). Good thing we don't use that stupid standard currently as Pierre towers over the hunched back Carney.

Easy tiger. I don't hate PP. But like it or not he is pariah.

The CPC needs to learn to win elections and that's not going to happen with PP at the helm.

He did good things for this country, great things. And sadly he will never get the credit for it probably. But he's the wrong guy now.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Why?

The chances of the Liberals winning in 2029 are low. Just given history. How many times has a party won 6 straight elections in Canadian history? And there's no Trump in 2029. He'll have tailwinds.

Flip side. Good time for a more likeable candidate to make their move for the throne and do to Pierre what he did to Erin.

I don't think the CPC can win with PPs name and brand.

I liked and voted for the CPC because I wanted PP as PM.

 

[ArmyRick]

that's not going to happen with PP at the helm.

Or anyone else right now. The character assassination that goes on, led by the CBC, is a big part of the problem. To ignore it, is taking a risk at our peril.

He did good things for this country, great things

Thanks for the ack.

I prefer Pierre. I really do. Not him as a person. It is in your face with facts and numbers style that I like. He has put forward many excellent proposals.

If the CPC decides to bin him, I will disagree with it but support the decision (disagreement is not disloyalty). If we do, we gotta do it in the next year and not let the Liberals define who the next leader is.

 

[MilEME09]

I don't think the CPC can win with PPs name and brand.

I liked and voted for the CPC because I wanted PP as PM.

Would seem the CPC continues to decline

https://twitter.com/x/status/2045917111722074136

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Some tech guys suggested this a decade ago. Proposing clawing back public subsidies to those who leave, because they couldn't compete with Silicon Valley salary offers. This was from a decade ago:

There should be consequences for Ontario grads leaving Canada: CEOs

Group says grads who flock to U.S. high-tech firms should have to reimburse Canadian taxpayers for their subsidized tuition

www.theglobeandmail.com

Ontario graduates who leave for US told to ‘reimburse taxpayers’

CEO lobby group in Canada says government should introduce policies to retain talented graduates

www.timeshighereducation.com

It's not new. Every 10 years or so somebody runs it up the flagpole. They will do anything to avoid paying more. Ironically, the government flooding the market with immigrants (supported by all these companies) is suppressing tech (and other) wages here, making it that much more attractive for top grads to leave. So now they want to block the exit.

I think you accidently mixed up your response to what you intended as a response to my post?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

That is but one issue that shows the TRUE nature of the Liberals. They are the ones who shut down the F35 deal, then years later decided we needed them, then change leader, then put the order on hold again, because "orange man bad". And here we are, fucking around for political gains, with an important issue.

That is only one amongst many other issues going on with the Liberals.

Face it, excuse mongering won't hide the truth, the Liberals are obsessed with gaining power and then keeping it at all cost.

I noticed you steered away from defending other many issues the Liberals keep failing at. Over and over again. While the $1.6 billion dollar funded CBC or the $2 million+ subsidized CTV defend the Liberals, distract away from them and focus on the NON-GOVERNING CPC.

Thats why we as nation look like Clowns.

They only got rid of JT when it began to hurt them, not caring he had been hurting Canada for quite sometime before.

 

[ytz]

I think you accidently mixed up your response to what you intended as a response to my post?

Ooops. Yes

 

[HavokFour]

Lots of talk about this address released today.

The big one being the statement that the US is using the strength of our ties as a weakness (for Canada), which isn't exactly wrong in the current climate.

This may become a thing the PM does "regularly and directly".

EDIT: Français.

 

[MilEME09]

Lots of talk about this address released today.

The big one being the statement that the US is using the strength of our ties as a weakness (for Canada), which isn't exactly wrong in the current climate.

This may become a thing the PM does "regularly and directly".

Absolutely agree its a weakness right now that the US is trying exploit for their benefit. Exactly why we need to shift more O&G exports to europe and asia

 

[brihard]

Lots of talk about this address released today.

The big one being the statement that the US is using the strength of our ties as a weakness (for Canada), which isn't exactly wrong in the current climate.

This may become a thing the PM does "regularly and directly".

Good comms. I like that direct approach and I’m glad it sounds like this will be periodic but regular from him.

 

[MilEME09]

Good comms. I like that direct approach and I’m glad it sounds like this will be periodic but regular from him.

Its definitely a more direct to the people form of comms. If done right it will benefit him and the GoC by delivering the message directly to Canadians

 

[Maxman1]

Mods,

I think I see a potential split here. This should be focusing on the Liberal now Majority and their governing.

Is it time to split off Pierre leadership and the CPC?

And the rumours about floor crossers.

And the aircraft procurement.

And...