Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Sounds to me like “targeted” in the recruitment sense- identify those who might be more amenable to the idea and focus efforts there. Nothing nefarious about that.

lol Word games is the best way to observe bias.

"Targeted" vs "Coerced"

Sure. What ever sits well with you.

 

[brihard]

lol Word games is the best way to observe bias.

"Targeted" vs "Coerced"

Sure. What ever sits well with you.

“Coercion” means to compel someone to involuntarily do something. It implies threat or corrupt leverage that overcomes someone’s own lack of willingness. Negative incentive. “If you don’t cross the floor I’m releasing the photos of you in Tijuana in a gimp suit” is coercion.

Targeted recruiting happens all the time; we could also call it headhunting. Identify people where you have some particular reason to want them and/or to think they may be open to coming over and incentivizing it. “If you join us I want your voice at the table on northern and indigenous policy” or “if you join us I want to draw on your knowledge and credibility in oil and gas to move that portfolio forward”.

Very, very different. As I said coercion would likely border on criminal. Offering someone a job where they’ll be taken seriously and have some influence is not that.

 

[Halifax Tar]

“Coercion” means to compel someone to involuntarily do something. It implies threat or corrupt leverage that overcomes someone’s own lack of willingness. Negative incentive. “If you don’t cross the floor I’m releasing the photos of you in Tijuana in a gimp suit” is coercion.

Targeted recruiting happens all the time; we could also call it headhunting. Identify people where you have some particular reason to want them and/or to think they may be open to coming over and incentivizing it. “If you join us I want your voice at the table on northern and indigenous policy” or “if you join us I want to draw on your knowledge and credibility in oil and gas to move that portfolio forward”.

Very, very different. As I said coercion would likely border on criminal. Offering someone a job where they’ll be taken seriously and have some influence is not that.

Like I said, what ever sits well with you.

 

[brihard]

Like I said, what ever sits well with you.

Yup. I’m just going to expect anyone alleging coercion to show their work in order to be taken seriously.

I’m fine with what has happened and I’d be fine with it going the other way too. The freedom to cross the floor is the last, biggest guarantor of an MP’s independence and a check on the balance of any PMO or party leader. I personally like that in principle. I’m also good with PM Carney being given the opportunity to bash on and work to steer our economy back from whatever the hell the last decade+ was.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yup. I’m just going to expect anyone alleging coercion to show their work in order to be taken seriously.

I’m fine with what has happened and I’d be fine with it going the other way too. The freedom to cross the floor is the last, biggest guarantor of an MP’s independence and a check on the balance of any PMO or party leader. I personally like that in principle. I’m also good with PM Carney being given the opportunity to bash on and work to steer our economy back from whatever the hell the last decade+ was.

Sounds good man. You do you.

 

[brihard]

Sounds good man. You do you.

Yup, and likewise.

When a government gets to suck I’m always happy to vote to change the diaper. No special treatment there for this guy if he doesn’t cut the mustard.

 

[MilEME09]

Oh come on...lol

His whole majority government was bought, and coerced through playing backroom games

Coercion is the act of forcing or pressuring someone to do something against their will using threats, intimidation, or physical force.


Are you suggesting illegal activity to get members to cross the floor such as black mail and intimidation?

 

[YZT580]

Coercion is the act of forcing or pressuring someone to do something against their will using threats, intimidation, or physical force.


Are you suggesting illegal activity to get members to cross the floor such as black mail and intimidation?

how about a compromise for both sides: they were bribed.

 

[Czech_pivo]

how about a compromise for both sides: they were bribed.

So none of them did it for ideological reasons?

 

[MilEME09]

how about a compromise for both sides: they were bribed.

bribing a public official would would be a criminal code offense, got some evidence there? Getting someone to quit and do the same job for someone else is just poaching in the corporate world, how is this any different?

 

[brihard]

how about a compromise for both sides: they were bribed.

Are you suggesting bribery in the criminal sense, or simply the most loaded possible term for being incentivized through having a voice at the government table?

So far we haven’t even seen any of them get a cabinet post, but with most of them we can look at their individual circumstances and backgrounds and see why they might have sought to cross or been sought out and pitched to.

 

[Halifax Tar]

how about a compromise for both sides: they were bribed.

I think the proper term is probably influenced.

What they did to conduct the influence, I suspect we will never know.

 

[ytz]

Consider the source, known by locals to be a very NIMBY publication. These people are no different that those holding up things like pipelines to the BC coast.

Everything you need to know about the 'spaceport' in Nova Scotia - Halifax Examiner

You see, almost none of the government and corporate propaganda is true.

www.halifaxexaminer.ca

Canso is a viable launch site that already has all the connections, approvals, and certifications from both provincial and federal governments. Churchill is another site, however only for suborbital launches unless we're willing to let stages drop over land.

With how fund starved anything space related has been in Canada, are we really getting mad over a construction site? Fund approval doesn't mean everything is finger snapped into a NASA sized spaceport overnight. It's $20M per year over 10 years to develop the site.

85% of that $200M has to be spent on local companies too.

Will add. This has specifically been on the CAF/3 CSD wishlist. For people who claim to want to support the CAF, their opposition to this is something.....

 

[YZT580]

bribing a public official would would be a criminal code offense, got some evidence there? Getting someone to quit and do the same job for someone else is just poaching in the corporate world, how is this any different?

it isn't. Both are bribery. Just because there are never any charges laid doesn't negate the offense. Silly example but I habitually drive at the speed limit plus 10 km. I do not have any speeding offenses on my record so, according to your logic, I never speed. I will go along with Halifax Tar's description excluding Ma. You don't go from the opposition bench to a seat on the Beijing express without something having changed hands. No evidence just logic

 

[Brad Sallows]

For people who claim to want to support the CAF, their opposition to this is something.....

People who generally support something - an agency, a political party, an academic institution, etc - don't have to support absolutely every single thing it does. Not everything in life is binary.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Consider the source, known by locals to be a very NIMBY publication. These people are no different that those holding up things like pipelines to the BC coast.

Everything you need to know about the 'spaceport' in Nova Scotia - Halifax Examiner

You see, almost none of the government and corporate propaganda is true.

www.halifaxexaminer.ca

I wouldnt say NIMBY but def a very left leaning publication.

 

[MilEME09]

it isn't. Both are bribery. Just because there are never any charges laid doesn't negate the offense. Silly example but I habitually drive at the speed limit plus 10 km. I do not have any speeding offenses on my record so, according to your logic, I never speed. I will go along with Halifax Tar's description excluding Ma. You don't go from the opposition bench to a seat on the Beijing express without something having changed hands. No evidence just logic

your logic however is driven by person experience and bias. This is a prime example of what the online discourse on politics has turned into people through terms around like bribery, conflict of interest etc without fully understanding those words have very strict legal definitions. If one is never investigated, they wont be charged, even in your speeding example there is a margin for error built into the system. The very definition of bribery reads that you can't bribe someone to do what they are already doing. In this case, being a sitting MP. They may switch parties but the job is self hasn't changed, so bribery cant occur.

 

[Halifax Tar]

your logic however is driven my person experience and bias. This is a prime example of what the online discourse on politics has turned into people through terms around like bribery, conflict of interest etc without fully understanding those words have very strict legal definitions. If one is never investigated, they wont be charged, even in your speeding example there is a margin for error built into the system. The very definition of bribery reads that you can't bribe someone to do what they are already doing. In this case, being a sitting MP. They may switch parties but the job is self hasn't changed, so bribery cant occur.

You can say: "I know you're thinking about crossing the floor. You would look some good on the flight to China though."

Or how about Gladu openly admitting its good for her ?

Reindeer games have been played. What those games are, we will probably never know.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Given that the CPC literally hid two MPs behind a curtain to avoid accidentally voting down the budget and triggering an election, I’ve only got a little bit of sympathy for their complaining about how the current composition of the house was achieved.

Great points. All their bluster about a confidence vote was purely theatrics. They had a chance to cause an election and they hid like cowards instead of at least trying to justify their position to not cause one.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Great points. All their bluster about a confidence vote was purely theatrics. They had a chance to cause an election and they hid like cowards instead of at least trying to justify their position to not cause one.

The best thing the CPC could right now is STFU, turn inward and clean up their own yard.