Yup, and likewise.
When a government gets to suck I’m always happy to vote to change the diaper. No special treatment there for this guy if he doesn’t cut the mustard.
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When a government gets to suck I’m always happy to vote to change the diaper. No special treatment there for this guy if he doesn’t cut the mustard.
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Coercion is the act of forcing or pressuring someone to do something against their will using threats, intimidation, or physical force.
Are you suggesting illegal activity to get members to cross the floor such as black mail and intimidation?
how about a compromise for both sides: they were bribed.
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So none of them did it for ideological reasons?
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bribing a public official would would be a criminal code offense, got some evidence there? Getting someone to quit and do the same job for someone else is just poaching in the corporate world, how is this any different?
Are you suggesting bribery in the criminal sense, or simply the most loaded possible term for being incentivized through having a voice at the government table?
So far we haven’t even seen any of them get a cabinet post, but with most of them we can look at their individual circumstances and backgrounds and see why they might have sought to cross or been sought out and pitched to.
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I think the proper term is probably influenced.
What they did to conduct the influence, I suspect we will never know.
Consider the source, known by locals to be a very NIMBY publication. These people are no different that those holding up things like pipelines to the BC coast.
Everything you need to know about the 'spaceport' in Nova Scotia - Halifax Examiner
You see, almost none of the government and corporate propaganda is true.www.halifaxexaminer.ca
Canso is a viable launch site that already has all the connections, approvals, and certifications from both provincial and federal governments. Churchill is another site, however only for suborbital launches unless we're willing to let stages drop over land.
With how fund starved anything space related has been in Canada, are we really getting mad over a construction site? Fund approval doesn't mean everything is finger snapped into a NASA sized spaceport overnight. It's $20M per year over 10 years to develop the site.
85% of that $200M has to be spent on local companies too.
Will add. This has specifically been on the CAF/3 CSD wishlist. For people who claim to want to support the CAF, their opposition to this is something.....
it isn't. Both are bribery. Just because there are never any charges laid doesn't negate the offense. Silly example but I habitually drive at the speed limit plus 10 km. I do not have any speeding offenses on my record so, according to your logic, I never speed. I will go along with Halifax Tar's description excluding Ma. You don't go from the opposition bench to a seat on the Beijing express without something having changed hands. No evidence just logic
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Halifax Tar
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Consider the source, known by locals to be a very NIMBY publication. These people are no different that those holding up things like pipelines to the BC coast.
Everything you need to know about the 'spaceport' in Nova Scotia - Halifax Examiner
You see, almost none of the government and corporate propaganda is true.
I wouldnt say NIMBY but def a very left leaning publication.
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your logic however is driven by person experience and bias. This is a prime example of what the online discourse on politics has turned into people through terms around like bribery, conflict of interest etc without fully understanding those words have very strict legal definitions. If one is never investigated, they wont be charged, even in your speeding example there is a margin for error built into the system. The very definition of bribery reads that you can't bribe someone to do what they are already doing. In this case, being a sitting MP. They may switch parties but the job is self hasn't changed, so bribery cant occur.
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You can say: "I know you're thinking about crossing the floor. You would look some good on the flight to China though."
Or how about Gladu openly admitting its good for her ?
Reindeer games have been played. What those games are, we will probably never know.
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Great points. All their bluster about a confidence vote was purely theatrics. They had a chance to cause an election and they hid like cowards instead of at least trying to justify their position to not cause one.
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The best thing the CPC could right now is STFU, turn inward and clean up their own yard.
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Had the CPC brought down the the LPC government at that vote, carney would have had a legit majority government. You also have to plan tactically in the game of politics, or you get "Jagmeet-ed" (That should be an obvious new verb)
When Carney poached/recruited his 5 floor crossers, that was tactical thinking (it helped lead him to a better position). We can agree to disagree on whether it was ethical or not, but it was a good tactical move (and legal).
CPC STFU? nope. Its their job to speak up and speak out. To criticize. To puch for better. To seek accountability. That is their job.
When Carney poached/recruited his 5 floor crossers, that was tactical thinking (it helped lead him to a better position). We can agree to disagree on whether it was ethical or not, but it was a good tactical move (and legal).
CPC STFU? nope. Its their job to speak up and speak out. To criticize. To puch for better. To seek accountability. That is their job.
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Switch gears for a minute.
Did we ever get resolution or closure on these Liberal scandals from the same Liberal government in power (with a new boss)
Did we ever get resolution or closure on these Liberal scandals from the same Liberal government in power (with a new boss)
- WE Charity Scandal (2020): The government awarded a sole-source contract to run a $912 million student volunteer program to WE Charity, an organization with close ties to the Trudeau family, who had paid members of his family. Trudeau apologized for not recusing himself.
- ArriveCAN App Fiasco (2022-2024): The cost of the ArriveCan COVID-19 contact tracing app escalated to $60 million, with millions paid to firms that did little to no work, resulting in multiple investigations, including by the RCMP.
- Foreign Interference Scandal (2023-2024): Allegations that the government ignored CSIS warnings regarding Chinese attempts to interfere in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections, with reports suggesting some Liberal MPs wittingly participated.
Carney has a legit majority government, but you’re right. He may have have had one sooner. Nonetheless, the way the CPC elected to politick makes their complaints ring hollow. Floor crossings were not an inevitability and are a downstream sign of bad leadership and lack of vision.
from the last salesman I had, quite possibly
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