Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Canada's U.S. ambassador wants to set aside the 'bluster' as rhetoric around trade heats up

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-u-s-ambassador-wiseman-cusma-talks-9.7174897?shem=dsdf%2Csharefoc%2Cagadiscoversdl%2C%2Csh%2Fx%2Fdiscover%2Fm1%2F4

I get the feeling he won't have to retire like the Air Canada guy.

 

[CBH99]

It’s not monocausal. His botched leadership of the CPC into its present dismal electoral prospects is one of them. His failure to maintain the confidence of his caucus is another, after the first couple left.

He’s the party leader; he owns their successes or failures- after all, that’s leadership, no? He has very clearly led them significantly farther from anything resembling success.

If you choose to believe his leadership is not a factor in shedding several MPs to cross the floor and bring PM Carney to a majority, that’s fine. My opinion, though, is grounded in a lot of evidence.

All fair and valid points Brihard.

On the surface I don't think I disagree you, but I don't know if I fully agree with you either.


I've already made my general opinion known, in that...

- If an elected MP wants to cross the floor to another party, they should have to resign from the party they are leaving & be re-elected as an MP in the party they want to go to in the byelection

- Otherwise you have ridings that voted for A, but got B instead because their own MP basically decided to ignore the votes of the very citizens in their riding who elected them as an MP in the first place.

(If their respective ridings wanted a Liberal MP to represent them, they would have voted for such in the election. But they clearly didn't want that, hence them voting for a Conservative MP to represent them instead.)


I think it's a slap in the face as far as democratic principles are concerned, but I respect that we don't see eye to eye on this issue

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But you mentioned a few things that I think deserve further scrutiny...

- True, perhaps his leadership style isn't for everyone, and that has perhaps played a factor...

- And true, perhaps some of them want to accomplish something specific that they believe in, and they believe working under the LPC banner will help them further those goals moreso than being a Member of Parliament in an opposition with no power...


But let that last part sink in... an official opposition with no power...

...

So the same political party that has tried constantly, for years, to pass pretty sketchy legislation via omnibus bills, that has more than doubled our national debt (we are now well passed that, and are on our way to triple the national debt)

That has engaged in blatantly criminal activity (we'll just use SNC Lavalin as an easy example here) and then fired their own Attorney General appointee for literally doing exactly what she's supposed to do...

Has passed all kinds of legislation & has proposed even more legislation that permits government censorship & government overreach...

And who has pissed away BILLIONS OF DOLLARS on stupid pet projects & government contracts that specifically benefit party insiders...


And now we have an opposition with no power to protect us.

...

Not because the citizenry voted for that or wanted that.

But because that same sketchy political party that is directly responsible for the last 11 years of Canada's clearly intentional "managed decline" has managed to bribe/persuade/entice people who had been elected to another party to say "F**k my constituents, their votes don't matter..." and cross the floor

(And while the NDP clearly destroyed itself when it's leader ignored the citizenry & kept the LPC in power just long enough for him to get his pension before he f**ked off - I can't help thinking the LPC was well aware they were slowly destroying one of the parties that could possibly threaten their agenda down the road)


Does this sound like a healthy democracy to you?

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Pierre has been leader of the Conservative Party of Canada for almost 4 years. And prior to that he was still a very vocal, active, popular member of the party.

3 of the 4 MP's that crossed the floor have been with the party since 2015.

Our most recent national election was almost 1 year ago exactly (April 25, 2025)


If Pierre's leadership style is so off-putting, each one of these MP's could easily have ran for the LPC instead. But they didn't.



Anyways, all that just to circle back around to @MilEME09's comment that Carney isn't interested in games.

Respectfully I have to disagree. There seems to be plenty of games afoot, both domestically and internationally.

 

[ArmyRick]

ANother one from one of the parliamentary committees. CPAC just shows parliamentary clips, no reporters or journalist making comments

 

[CBH99]

If we didn’t yet get resolution on the Airbus scandal, probably going to be waiting a long time for resolution on your list of ‘only one side does bad things.’

He didn't suggest only one side does bad things...

He asked if we got any closure to any of the scandals that had been ongoing prior to the election.


And your reply didn't answer that question?

 

[Altair]

The CPC and those who support them have two choices going forward.

Stiff upper lip, chin up, accept that bad things have happened, and move forward determined to not let that define them.

Or they can whine and moan about it for the next 3 years the way losers whine and moan about losing at poker.

One path is serious. Another is infantile.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The CPC and those who support them have two choices going forward.

Stiff upper lip, chin up, accept that bad things have happened, and move forward determined to not let that define them.

Or they can whine and moan about it for the next 3 years the way losers whine and moan about losing at poker.

One path is serious. Another is infantile.

Just about 4yrs actually.
I think our Federal election cycles are 5yrs.

 

[ArmyRick]

The CPC and those who support them have two choices going forward.

Stiff upper lip, chin up, accept that bad things have happened, and move forward determined to not let that define them.

Or they can whine and moan about it for the next 3 years the way losers whine and moan about losing at poker.

One path is serious. Another is infantile.

Its the Liberals, CBC and other media who WHINE and MOAN non-stop about Pierre staying on as leader of the CPC, so buck up and deal with it.

Lets talk SERIOUS path forward

Carney still talks, talks, talks and produces nothing, when is the results coming? Real results?

When is the trade deal going to get nailed down? Carney promised.

When are the "big nation" projects moving forward?

When is Canada becoming an energy superpower?

At speeds unseen as Carney promised?

It is not whining and moaning to bring up Carney's failures (and its a long list, funny, many here never want to discuss it) and as I said it is the job of the Opposition to challenge the government, criticize the government and force the government to be transparent.

Many here and in Canadian society can't wait to crap all over Pierre Poilievre (including when he does his job) but give Mark Carney all the runway in the world, not really holding him to account.

Two standards.

 

[Altair]

Just about 4yrs actually.
I think our Federal election cycles are 5yrs.

Fixed election law has it for every 4 years, in October

If that law was repealed it would be 5 years

 

[Czech_pivo]

Fixed election law has it for every 4 years, in October

If that law was repealed it would be 5 years

Oh, I thought this was the case -

. (1) No House of Commons and no legislative assembly shall continue for longer than five years from the date fixed for the return of the writs at a general election of its members

 

[Altair]

Its the Liberals, CBC and other media who WHINE and MOAN non-stop about Pierre staying on as leader of the CPC, so buck up and deal with it.

Lets talk SERIOUS path forward

Carney still talks, talks, talks and produces nothing, when is the results coming? Real results?

When is the trade deal going to get nailed down? Carney promised.

When are the "big nation" projects moving forward?

When is Canada becoming an energy superpower?

At speeds unseen as Carney promised?

It is not whining and moaning to bring up Carney's failures (and its a long list, funny, many here never want to discuss it) and as I said it is the job of the Opposition to challenge the government, criticize the government and force the government to be transparent.

Many here and in Canadian society can't wait to crap all over Pierre Poilievre (including when he does his job) but give Mark Carney all the runway in the world, not really holding him to account.

Two standards.

This has nothing to do with my post and I won't go down your greatest hits of dumb arguments again. My time on this earth is finite and I won't waste it going over these dumb talking point once again. I've responded to these arguments dozens of times, go read one of my previous responses.

As for the floor crossers, the CPC and those who support them can either take them on the chin and move forward, not letting it define them, or whine like children for the next 3 years.

That includes you.

 

[brihard]

Oh, I thought this was the case -

. (1) No House of Commons and no legislative assembly shall continue for longer than five years from the date fixed for the return of the writs at a general election of its members

You’re both right. The constitution says no longer than five years. Parliament passed a law shortening it to four.

 

[Altair]

Oh, I thought this was the case -

. (1) No House of Commons and no legislative assembly shall continue for longer than five years from the date fixed for the return of the writs at a general election of its members

This is the overarching rule yes, but Parliament can and did decide, during the Harper years, to make it shorter.

It's why Trudeau got elected in 2015 and we had an election 2019.its why Trudeau got re-elected in 2021 and had to have the election by October 2025.

 

[ArmyRick]

This has nothing to do with my post and I won't go down your greatest hits of dumb arguments again.

Yeah it does.

That included you.

Upset that I challenge you? TFB

 

[ArmyRick]

My time on this earth is finite and I won't waste it going over these dumb talking point once again.

I interpret that as your really not comfortable discussing the points brought up that defend the CPC doing their job and/or criticize the Liberals (I realize your not a die hard Liberal), in other words, its a cop out.

 

[Altair]

Yeah it does.

Upset that I challenge you? TFB

I don't give a rats ass if you challenged me.

I've responded to these arguments dozens of times. I can literally copy paste one of my previous responses here. I won't do it again, it's a waste of time. Either you know the answer by now or you never will, but that's on you, not me.

I'm talking about floor crossers. The CPC has moaned and complained for months now. Canadians don't care. Nobody other than. The CPC is complaining about it. So the conservatives and their supporters are coming off af perpetual victims and losers here. Wah wah, liberals stole my MPs.

It's fine, it's their choice, but who wants to vote for a party that is acting like a bunch of losers?

 

[Altair]

I interpret that as your really not comfortable discussing the points brought up that defend the CPC doing their job and/or criticize the Liberals (I realize your not a die hard Liberal), in other words, its a cop out.

Take is as a whatever you please.

Every time I say something you don't like you come up with the same old list of questions that I spend time answering that you just respond with "deeds not words" while addressing nothing I said in response. Same shit, different day.

Not today Lucy. I'm not kicking that football.