Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[ytz]

Funny thing is, though, that a lot of people who’ve hated Team Red then & now we’re bashing him pretty hard at the time. Funny what a bit of time & distance does. Lookit how Bush Jr. (or even Sr.) was assessed while he was still at ‘er compared to now.

That’s why some say history’ll be the true judge.

Somehow I doubt the conservatives lauding Martin voted for him over Harper. The same goes for the other side. O'Toole was a nice moderate conservative. Liberals who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

 

[ytz]

Wouldn't it be better if the warring factions simply declared they don't like the 'other side' and moved on?

Mostly this thread.

Honestly don't get it. In real life, who likes the friend or relative that constantly talks about politics? And have they ever succeeded in convincing you to change your vote? Usually a serious turn off from that political brand for me. Like who wants to vote the same as their crazy uncle on Facebook?

 

[Altair]

Somehow I doubt the conservatives lauding Martin voted for him over Harper. The same goes for the other side. O'Toole was a nice moderate conservative. Liberals who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

I maintain that the message Canadians gave O'Toole was wait until the crisis is over, then we will get back to you.

The CPC didnt wait though.

 

[ArmyRick]

O'Toole was a nice moderate conservative.

Sooooo you missed the part where I showed the media and the Liberals attack O'Toole including how "Trump like" he was? It was character assassination.

Frankly O'Toole's platform and messaging were weak. I did support his run for leadership.

Liberals who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

Good perspective. Mostly agreed.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The base isn't relevant here. What matters is the general voting public. And the LPC adapts to public concerns. That's what keeps them in power. Conservatives are, understandably, frustrated with this. But that's how the game is played. Voters can change their minds on issues and priorities. That's allowed.

I really am trying not to get involved in this thread anymore but I just wanted to tag on to this.

This is what the CPC doesn't understand. The LPC runs campaigns on getting elected at all costs and the CPC runs on principals. The CPC needs to realize Canadians are generally ok with being lied too so long as the double doubles, HNIC and free healthcare keep flowing.

Liberals Canadians who are appalled at Poilievre should remember they got PP because they passed up O'Toole for Trudeau's most disastrous term.

 

[Altair]

The LPC is the political embodiment of the term strong opinions, loosely held

 

[ytz]

I really am trying not to get involved in this thread anymore but I just wanted to tag on to this.

This is what the CPC doesn't understand. The LPC runs campaigns on getting elected at all costs and the CPC runs on principals. The CPC needs to realize Canadians are generally ok with being lied too so long as the double doubles, HNIC and free healthcare keep flowing.

This isn't just a Liberal thing. It's a thing for dominant parties everywhere. Be that Ontario or British Tories. Heck, the Republicans in the US went from pushing free trade in the 80s and 90s to imposing tariffs in three decades. This is the nature of big tent parties. The swim with the current. If you ride against the current, based on principle, you will be a protest party that just gets elected less.

The Liberals were willing to make a guy who fires climate scientists and cancel carbon taxes their leader. What sacred cow would Poilievre be willing to slaughter to get his party elected?

 

[Halifax Tar]

This isn't just a Liberal thing. It's a thing for dominant parties everywhere. Be that Ontario or British Tories. Heck, the Republicans in the US went from pushing free trade in the 80s and 90s to imposing tariffs in three decades. This is the nature of big tent parties. The swim with the current. If you ride against the current, based on principle, you will be a protest party that just gets elected less.

This is a Liberal Gov thread.

The Liberals were willing to make a guy who fires climate scientists and cancel carbon taxes their leader. What sacred cow would Poilievre be willing to slaughter to get his party elected?

No idea, I am not PP and don't hold a CPC membership. Believe it or not I actually hold an LPC membership right now.

 

[Altair]

No idea, I am not PP and don't hold a CPC membership. Believe it or not I actually hold an LPC membership right now.

Did you forget to cancel?

I dont even have LPC membership right now

 

[brihard]

No idea, I am not PP and don't hold a CPC membership. Believe it or not I actually hold an LPC membership right now.

In your province that’s just an extra box you can tick when you renew your driver’s license or health card, right?

 

[Halifax Tar]

In your province that’s just an extra box you can tick when you renew your driver’s license or health card, right?

We get 10 cents off at Timmies.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Mark Carney’s government says privatizing airports will make them better.

https://archive.is/66Tsi

 

[Brad Sallows]

free healthcare keep flowing.

The free healthcare isn't flowing as well as it used to.

Eventually enough people will notice and demand some kind of change.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The free healthcare isn't flowing as well as it used to.

Eventually enough people will notice and demand some kind of change.

Doesn't matter Canadians will defend it to the death as a beacon of all that is Canadiana holy!

 

[Jarnhamar]

Eventually enough people will notice and demand some kind of change.

Mostly only when they're sick or a family member is sick and they want faster treatment.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Doesn't matter Canadians will defend it to the death as a beacon of all that is Canadiana holy!

With a few of the more common cancer types moving down from the 50-and-over bracket into the 30-50 bracket (and younger), people are going to be more interested in actually having a GP and having timely access to the first gateway (diagnosis) to receiving treatment. Or at least they should be.

I suspect that a lot of people procrastinate when access isn't easy.

 

[ArmyRick]

Still wondering why the Liberals felt the need to move these committees "in camera" (latin in chambers basically secrecy)
-Ethics committee (This is really alarming especially since they were scrutinizing PM assets)
-Health committee
-Science and Research committee
-Transport, Infrastructure and Communities committee

As well, why did Veterans affairs committee get adjourned?

Anyone?

 

[brihard]

Still wondering why the Liberals felt the need to move these committees "in camera" (latin in chambers basically secrecy)
-Ethics committee (This is really alarming especially since they were scrutinizing PM assets)
-Health committee
-Science and Research committee
-Transport, Infrastructure and Communities committee

As well, why did Veterans affairs committee get adjourned?

Anyone?

Committees tend to bounce between in camera and public depending on what’s being discussed. Drafts of reports, for instance, will be discussed in camera to allow the committee to finalize.

Do the order papers for the committees on those dates give any indication of what was on the agenda? I would expect that of all the many parliamentary committees, at any given point there will be a few appropriately in camera for matters that merit it, before opening back public. Against historical committee activity are the past couple weeks anomalous?

 

[ArmyRick]

Committees tend to bounce between in camera and public depending on what’s being discussed. Drafts of reports, for instance, will be discussed in camera to allow the committee to finalize.

Do the order papers for the committees on those dates give any indication of what was on the agenda? I would expect that of all the many parliamentary committees, at any given point there will be a few appropriately in camera for matters that merit it, before opening back public. Against historical committee activity are the past couple weeks anomalous?

Seriously thats your answer/non-answer?

Even pro liberal CBC pundits such as Chantel Hebert come out and calls this a stupid move.

 

[brihard]

Seriously thats your answer/non-answer?

Even pro liberal CBC pundits such as Chantel Hebert come out and calls this a stupid move.

I’m not answering. I don’t have the answer, I haven’t really been tracking this. I’m asking relevant questions with a bit of context for why I’m asking them. Given that you are paying attention to this I wondered if you had looked at these aspects. If not, that’s fine.