Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Jarnhamar]

Yeah, smaller pool paying for ever increasing services and whatnot.

Or in this scenario, the bill for food comes due and everyone needs to pay more because that one person left.

But we as Canadians decided that the LPC was bringing in way too many immigrants and throwing a bunch of other sectors out of whack so now we are actively shrinking. That comes with its own set of consequences but thats what we all collectively wanted, no?

Not so fast.

The problem with your analogy here is that you're assuming the only variable is the number of people in the room. If the room was already overcrowded and the rent, food, and utilities were rising faster than incomes, adding more people doesn't automatically make everyone better off.

Also we didn't collectively decide to shrink the country. Many people wanted immigration levels reduced because housing, healthcare, and infrastructure weren't keeping pace with population growth. Slower growth may have economic costs, but so did the previous approach.

And we're still growing even with reduced immigration.

Certain diaspora of people coming in are bringing a lot of crime, death, and carnage.

 

[YZT580]

Not so fast.

The problem with your analogy here is that you're assuming the only variable is the number of people in the room. If the room was already overcrowded and the rent, food, and utilities were rising faster than incomes, adding more people doesn't automatically make everyone better off.

Also we didn't collectively decide to shrink the country. Many people wanted immigration levels reduced because housing, healthcare, and infrastructure weren't keeping pace with population growth. Slower growth may have economic costs, but so did the previous approach.

And we're still growing even with reduced immigration.

Certain diaspora of people coming in are bringing a lot of crime, death, and carnage.

No one ever adds in the social costs do they? Courts, legal services, prison costs, social services, policing not to mention the costs of adding in a security system and the associated stress: it all adds up

 

[Altair]

Not so fast.

Slowing down.

The problem with your analogy here is that you're assuming the only variable is the number of people in the room. If the room was already overcrowded and the rent, food, and utilities were rising faster than incomes, adding more people doesn't automatically make everyone better off.

It's simplified. And i agree, those issues were issues.

Also we didn't collectively decide to shrink the country. Many people wanted immigration levels reduced because housing, healthcare, and infrastructure weren't keeping pace with population growth. Slower growth may have economic costs, but so did the previous approach.

And i agreed with it. But i cannot sit here in good faith and begrudge slower economic growth and a technical recession because of it.

And we're still growing even with reduced immigration.

We are not growing. We are actively shrinking.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-population-decline-first-time-9.7133643

Unless youre talking about the economy, in which case overall we are growing, but even if the economy contracts a bit, it's par for the course for a shrinking population.

Certain diaspora of people coming in are bringing a lot of crime, death, and carnage.

Sure.

 

[Altair]

No one ever adds in the social costs do they? Courts, legal services, prison costs, social services, policing not to mention the costs of adding in a security system and the associated stress: it all adds up

Agreed. But we cannot have it both ways.

We cannot support a shrinking population while at the same time complaining about slower economic growth.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Certain diaspora of people coming in are bringing a lot of crime, death, and carnage.

Like at APS or after BMQ grad at Pet, Shilo Valcartier etc.....

 

[Czech_pivo]

Agreed. But we cannot have it both ways.

We cannot support a shrinking population while at the same time complaining about slower economic growth.

Well, productivity comes to mind.....so does automation....