Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[brihard]

Does becoming an associate member of something like the EU count as a treaty?

For any meaningful status with tangible impact I’d have to think there would be.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Does becoming an associate member of something like the EU count as a treaty?

Some definitions and explanations of what are legally binding and non-binding arrangements

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Policy on Tabling of Treaties in Parliament - Canada.ca

www.treaty-accord.gc.ca

5. Definitions​

5.1 Definition of “Treaty”​

Canada adheres to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties of 1969, which can be described as a codification of public international law on treaties. The Convention defines treaty in Article 2 as follows:

• "Treaty means an international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law, whether embodied in a single instrument, or in two or more related instruments and whatever its particular designation."

Canada is a party to many such instruments. These can be called Treaty, Convention, Agreement, Protocol or some similar word. An exchange of diplomatic notes or letters can also be a treaty.

Treaties can be bilateral, multilateral or plurilateral.

• Bilateral treaties are those between Canada and one other country.
  
  
• Multilateral treaties are those between three or more countries, generally developed under the auspices of international organizations.
  
  
• Plurilateral treaties are generally entered into between one State and a group of States.
  
  
• Agreements between Canada and International Organizations are often treaties governed by public international law.

For the purpose of this document, "treaty" is used in the general sense of any type of instrument governed by public international law.

8. Non-binding International Instruments​

Under international law, a treaty creates international legal obligations for Canada.

Other international instruments (often referred to, in Canada as "Memorandum of Understanding" (MOU) or "arrangements") can be considered as creating only moral or political commitments.

In order to avoid situations where instruments that,

could reasonably be viewed to be treaties, and therefore covered by the Government's policy, are not mistakenly classified as non-binding instruments and thus not brought to the attention of the House of Commons,

each Department is responsible for ensuring that the proper distinction is made between treaties and non-binding instruments, in consultation with the Treaty Section of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development.

For an explanation of the steps leading to the conclusion of a non-legally binding instrument, see Annex C.

Edited to add

Canada is even party to a "treaty" about what a "treaty" is all about.

View Treaty - Canada.ca

www.treaty-accord.gc.ca

 

[HavokFour]

The Spaceport in Canso, NS already has an agreement with the German Isar Aerospace, with launches starting in 2028.

Coincidentally Saint-Pierre-et Miquelon is also right next to the Atlantic Spaceport Complex in St. Lawrence, NL.

“The President and I will task our space agencies and defence ministries to develop and share common infrastructure, including space launch systems and ground-based facilities.”

In a joint statement the leaders also said that the Regional Joint Cooperation Commission between Atlantic Canada and Saint-Pierre-et Miquelon will expand its work in the priority areas of economic growth, energy transition and climate resilience.

A strategic partnership would also be struck between the chambers of commerce of both Canada and France to bring the business communities closer together.

‘Lasting friendships’: Carney, Macron discuss cooperation in priority areas

On the French archipelago of Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon, just 20 kilometres from the southern tip of Newfoundland, Prime Minister Mark Carney and French President Emmanuel Macron said that the two countries would strengthen their cooperation in the key areas.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[daftandbarmy]

Does becoming an associate member of something like the EU count as a treaty?

Forget the Treaties, 10 EU countries have yet to ratify our trade deal that has been in the works since 2017:

Carney presses 10 EU countries to ratify Canada trade deal

The Canadian prime minister is seeking to deepen ties with Europe amid a trade war with the U.S.

www.politico.eu

 

[Jarnhamar]

For any meaningful status with tangible impact I’d have to think there would be.

I'm a broken record here but something of this political magnitude (anything relat3d to membership) should be held to a vote by citizens and not MPs that get told how to vote by the party leader.

 

[brihard]

I'm a broken record here but something of this political magnitude (anything relat3d to membership) should be held to a vote by citizens and not MPs that get told how to vote by the party leader.

Ok, I’m just saying how it is, not how it ought to be.

I’d meet you in the middle and say that any intention to make any major changes through any sort of major association with the EU might be something that should be put to Canadians along with other proposed mandate items via an election.

 

[HavokFour]

Met with the PM of Norway today.

Joint statement by Prime Minister Carney and Prime Minister of Norway, Jonas Gahr Støre

As Arctic nations and NATO Allies, Canada and Norway continue to work together to strengthen collective security, support sustainable economic growth, and advance prosperity for northern and Indigenous communities.

www.pm.gc.ca

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I suppose Norway snd Iceland have also then made critical errors not fulky becoming members of the EU, what could possibly convince whole countries to not want to join this premier union of states?

That is an apples to pork roast comparison, and you know it. Neither of those two countries were ever part of the European Union. Not joining is a dramatically different choice than unjoining.

 

[suffolkowner]

Ok, I’m just saying how it is, not how it ought to be.

I’d meet you in the middle and say that any intention to make any major changes through any sort of major association with the EU might be something that should be put to Canadians along with other proposed mandate items via an election.

what constitutes major? The EEA? Does this hold if Carney and the Liberals still poll well?

 

[brihard]

what constitutes major? The EEA? Does this hold if Carney and the Liberals still poll well?

Dunno, I’ve not thought it through much.