Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

72k/yr for 37$/hr at 37.5hrs/week for 52 weeks.
How much training, what qualifications and age requirements are there for this role?

72k/yr is pretty decent money overall. That’s much higher than a lot of entry level jobs that require a uni degree.

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I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.

CAF pay rates enter the room

Very respectfully, we have learned time and again that this job carries significant risks, both during peacetime and in conflict. If we want people to serve in these roles, their compensation must reflect the realities of the profession.

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[PPCLI Guy]

I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.

I couldn't agree more. I was OCTP, and made it to LCol before I got a "degree"....in 8 months by correspondence, which says everything one needs to hear about a piece of paper vs an actual education, as well as the institution that issued the "degree"....RMC

Very respectfully, we have learned time and again that this job carries significant risks, both during peacetime and in conflict. If we want people to serve in these roles, their compensation must reflect the realities of the profession.

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I was offering a comparator to point out how well compensated the CAF is, especially after the massive raise.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I was offering a comparator to point out how well compensated the CAF is, especially after the massive raise.

And we are worth every penny and more.

 

[Czech_pivo]

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I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.


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I don't believe that I said that or was trying to imply that. If the qualifications are not pre-determined by some need for a college/uni degree or previous military/police service, then this could be quite a good job to land for someone 18yrs old straight out of high-school who might be unsure of what to do 'with their life'. Being 18-20yrs old with no post-secondary education or other training and landing a gig at 72k a yr would be like winning the lottery for most of these people.

And yes, the person collecting our garbage is providing a very significant service, though automation is taking over, at least here in Burlington, the need for the person at the back of the truck to bending and picking up the bins at every house and dumping them in the back of the truck is fading away. For us its a single person driving the truck that lines the truck up to the bin and a hoist picks up the bin by latching a small hook unto a metal rail. The driver now sits in the cab and pushes a button, the hook arm comes out picks up the bin, dumps it, sets it down and the driver drives off to the next house to repeat. What used to be a 2 person team is now just a solo job. He's is now more like that of a bus driver in essence - just drives a set route and makes multiple pick ups.

 

[Jarnhamar]

We need a short war against machines to reach us the dangers of automation and abominable intelligence.

 

[ytz]

I've never agreed with the idea that a person's value should be measured by their education. To me, that's a flawed metric.

I care far more about what someone contributes to society. The person collecting my garbage provides a service I rely on every week and is, in many ways, more important to my daily life than most degree holders. Yet those essential workers are often significantly underpaid.

Very much agreed. I think the main value of a degree was that I learned how to learn. And some specialized subject matter. The only reason I think officers should have one these days is because I don't think high schools produce the literacy and critical thinking they used to. Nor are young people nearly as mature these days at 18-19.

On the pay front? Straight up pay people what it takes to fill the job. And SF is basically some variation of infantry and MP. So now way they get paid less than those guys. And I actually worry that once these people get trained and cleared, the risk of getting poached is high.

Very respectfully, we have learned time and again that this job carries significant risks, both during peacetime and in conflict. If we want people to serve in these roles, their compensation must reflect the realities of the profession.

100%. Not just risk. We need to stop treating security as a secondary duty. Taking it seriously requires trained, dedicated and committed professionals. And professionals are never cheap.

 

[ytz]

Being 18-20yrs old with no post-secondary education or other training and landing a gig at 72k a yr would be like winning the lottery for most of these people.

Who says they aren't getting trained?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Who says they aren't getting trained?

I didn't say that - I meant prior to be hired

 

[RangerRay]

On the pay front? Straight up pay people what it takes to fill the job. And SF is basically some variation of infantry and MP. So now way they get paid less than those guys. And I actually worry that once these people get trained and cleared, the risk of getting poached is high.

Ding ding ding! If you pay and treat people right, you won’t lose them.

Who says they aren't getting trained?

I think he means training certifications required before getting hired.

 

[PrairieFella]

We need a short war against machines to reach us the dangers of automation and abominable intelligence.

How Butlerian.

 

[dapaterson]

How Butlerian.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrkix9ruID1r116c2o1_250.pnj

 

[PPCLI Guy]

We need a short war against machines to reach us the dangers of automation and abominable intelligence.

We could call it the Butlerian Jihad....

 

[QV]

Very much agreed. I think the main value of a degree was that I learned how to learn. And some specialized subject matter. The only reason I think officers should have one these days is because I don't think high schools produce the literacy and critical thinking they used to. Nor are young people nearly as mature these days at 18-19.

On the pay front? Straight up pay people what it takes to fill the job. And SF is basically some variation of infantry and MP. So now way they get paid less than those guys. And I actually worry that once these people get trained and cleared, the risk of getting poached is high.



100%. Not just risk. We need to stop treating security as a secondary duty. Taking it seriously requires trained, dedicated and committed professionals. And professionals are never cheap.

The CAF does have dedicated professionals - it just didn't prioritize security nor listen to the professionals. Recall, the older pubs with security written into it were suggestive but always subject to the commander's decision which was influenced by many other restraints (budgetary etc).

That said, what the RCAF is doing will hopefully professionalize that aspect and it's good thing. It should be a purple trade under VCDS however, and employed everywhere inside and OUTCAN as I've written on this subject before. It is a force multiplier enabling all other CAF functions just like every other important supporting role.

 

[YZT580]

Very much agreed. I think the main value of a degree was that I learned how to learn. And some specialized subject matter. The only reason I think officers should have one these days is because I don't think high schools produce the literacy and critical thinking they used to. Nor are young people nearly as mature these days at 18-19.

On the pay front? Straight up pay people what it takes to fill the job. And SF is basically some variation of infantry and MP. So now way they get paid less than those guys. And I actually worry that once these people get trained and cleared, the risk of getting poached is high.



100%. Not just risk. We need to stop treating security as a secondary duty. Taking it seriously requires trained, dedicated and committed professionals. And professionals are never cheap.

If you would think back to those distant days for a moment, I am assuming you have a standard 4 year degree possibly enhanced later with a masters. So you have taken 20% of your working career just to get started. I am also assuming, which is dangerous territory, that your specialized subjects brought you to your current career. Could you have gotten to the same point practical knowledge wise with a course or courses dedicated to that specialized subject matter in a shorter time with possibly greater insight and knowledge producing a more useful ab initio employee? Or was that general information a necessary part of your maturity?
I ask because both teaching, nursing, and flying amongst many others I am sure, have gone from specialized training only to a mandatory degree and I wonder if we are wasting resources in areas where we could save time, money and end up with a better employee as a result

 

[HavokFour]

So this is where Hansen landed, great to see he'll have a hand in shaping our space programs.

Carney appoints astronaut Jeremy Hansen to advise government on new space strategy

Prime Minister Mark Carney has appointed Jeremy Hansen as a special adviser on space -- just as the United States takes note of Canada’s efforts to shift its space partnerships toward Europe.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[lenaitch]

That said, what the RCAF is doing will hopefully professionalize that aspect and it's good thing. It should be a purple trade under VCDS however, and employed everywhere inside and OUTCAN as I've written on this subject before. It is a force multiplier enabling all other CAF functions just like every other important supporting role.

Then it would like have to be a military role. You're not likely to get armed civilians readily accepted in many other countries, regardless of who their employer is. Even within Canada, the process to have armed security guards is fairly onerous, and they only carry sidearms. I can't image what hoops would have to be leapt to allow for more firepower.