Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Haggis]

Nah, we've tackled this before. Other entities exist with special legislated/regulated powers and who have armament and training beyond just sidearms. Two that come immediately to mind are the Parliamentary Protective Service (not cops, not peace officers, not licensed security guards, yet have C8s and active shooter training) and the emergency response teams at the various nuclear sites- I can't recall the specifics form when I did a regulatory dive on them but they're regulated under one of the acts pertaining to nuke stuff, and if recollection serves may have super limited peace officer status.

Nuclear Safety Control Act s 27.2(1).

 

[brihard]

Is there an advantage to standing up a civilian force which would be limited to Canada as opposed to adding PYs to the Forces and having all available anywhere?

I mean, there would certainly be some. Pay and comp: while base pay may not be a whole ton lower, it wouldn’t have to come with a 25 years and out unreduced pension. Other HR related institutional costs like CAF provision of primary healthcare wouldn’t have to be borne. Hiring people to work in Canada without the same mobility expectations would probably be easier; in some respects.probably it would become a farm team for uniformed SF recruiting. Most of the advantages would probably be economic efficiency ones.

Against this there are definitely plenty of disadvantages; a larger pool of OFP deployable SF gives CAF tons more flexibility. It’s costlier and less efficient, but operationally almost certainly better.

I’m not taking a strongly considered position either way; people closer to the problem would be better for that. Though personally I would lean to give CAF the PYs and funding. I’m just saying if CAF/DND wanted civilian armed security with long guns and good kit and training, it’s definitely doable.

I’ve seen SF spoken of mostly in the RCAF context, but will they play a role at navy, army, or CANSOF force protection?

 

[Haggis]

I mean, there would certainly be some. Pay and comp: while base pay may not be a whole ton lower, it wouldn’t have to come with a 25 years and out unreduced pension. Other HR related institutional costs like CAF provision of primary healthcare wouldn’t have to be borne. Hiring people to work in Canada without the same mobility expectations would probably be easier; in some respects.probably it would become a farm team for uniformed SF recruiting. Most of the advantages would probably be economic efficiency ones.

Against this there are definitely plenty of disadvantages; a larger pool of OFP deployable SF gives CAF tons more flexibility. It’s costlier and less efficient, but operationally almost certainly better.

I’m not taking a strongly considered position either way; people closer to the problem would be better for that. Though personally I would lean to give CAF the PYs and funding. I’m just saying if CAF/DND wanted civilian armed security with long guns and good kit and training, it’s definitely doable.

I’ve seen SF spoken of mostly in the RCAF context, but will they play a role at navy, army, or CANSOF force protection?

Now that the Commissionaires have lost the right of first refusal for GoC protective services I suspect we'll see a lot of new providers pop up in an attempt to capitalize on that (notwithstanding the crap storm that came out of the lates CRA contract). Some may even recruit and plan for this eventuality.

 

[ytz]

If you would think back to those distant days for a moment, I am assuming you have a standard 4 year degree possibly enhanced later with a masters. So you have taken 20% of your working career just to get started. I am also assuming, which is dangerous territory, that your specialized subjects brought you to your current career. Could you have gotten to the same point practical knowledge wise with a course or courses dedicated to that specialized subject matter in a shorter time with possibly greater insight and knowledge producing a more useful ab initio employee? Or was that general information a necessary part of your maturity?
I ask because both teaching, nursing, and flying amongst many others I am sure, have gone from specialized training only to a mandatory degree and I wonder if we are wasting resources in areas where we could save time, money and end up with a better employee as a result

I have said this before. Today's high school graduate isn't anything like yesterday's high school graduate. This largely means that a program like OCTP would fail spectacularly today.

It's amazing how many folks here will get worked up about the recent increases in failure at CFLRS and then think it's a great idea to lower standards further.

I get it. A lot of folks think university degrees are pointless. I don't even entirely disagree with the sentiment. Unfortunately, that time period and education is necessary to produce a mature individual who can handle officership. That's just where society and the education system are at these days.

And this is before we discuss how we got to a fully degree'd officer corps. Hello Somalia Inquiry.

 

[ytz]

I’ve seen SF spoken of mostly in the RCAF context, but will they play a role at navy, army, or CANSOF force protection?

I strongly suspect once SF gets rolling, there will be more demand for the trade. You can go SharePoint surfing to see where this is going. Or if you have MESH access. I fully expect the CA and RCN to come calling once they see what SF does in Cold Lake, Bagotville, Trenton, etc.

I can even see substantial descoping of the MP trade, in favour of SF.

 

[brihard]

I strongly suspect once SF gets rolling, there will be more demand for the trade. You can go SharePoint surfing to see where this is going. Or if you have MESH access. I fully expect the CA and RCN to come calling once they see what SF does in Cold Lake, Bagotville, Trenton, etc.

I can even see substantial descoping of the MP trade, in favour of SF.

I’ve been out for a few years now, I don’t have access to any of that. I’m just a dirty civvie now, drinking from the RUMINT.

 

[ArmyRick]

Another good watch from Northern perspective. Some very good questions getting asked. And we need some answers in this Carney Liberal Canada of "Trust us, don't ask" governing.

Why is the EU discussing our "associate membership" while our Liberal government won't discuss it in Canada's parliament

 

[daftandbarmy]

I don't think yiu can blame Carney for the BC results as much as Eby:

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