Updated Army Service Dress project

[Halifax Tar]

I strongly disagree with this. Knowing what the soldiers your leading actually do is to me critical. How are you supposed to mentor junior leaders when you have never done the job they’re doing ?

I absolutely agree with you. So can we make that a PAN CAF policy again ?

Because that is fully not the concept of SEMs for the CWO corps. Unless you're combat arms. Then your numbers are protected and you get some of everyone else.

How can an RSM in a Bn assess the performance of his CSMs if he’s never set a CCP / controlled the fast pack done any other CSM job ? That’s absurd.

It is you're correct.

Beggin yer pardon but you put an RCAF CWO as RSM - it won’t be pretty. And an Army RSM at the unit level is not an administrator. Ask any Infantry type.

I agree with you.

The theory behind the CWO Corps disagrees with you.

Unless you're Combat Arms. Then your positions are protected and you get some of everyone else too.

I think @Halifax Tar was pointing out that the whole Chief Corps concept was never really going to work as intended, because so many positions require a direct knowledge of the unit and how it functions. What happened though is those units protect certain trade's CWO positions, but mean that the support side of the house lost it's protection. As an example, the CFINT Gp CWO isn't an Int Op, or Met Tech, the trades that belong to the branch.

Hit the nail on the head.

 

[Edward Campbell]

The total number of Cdr/LCol+ is (last I looked) about 3x the number of CPO1/CWO. Lots more officers to cull in a sickly season than CWOs.

I was told, many, many years decades ago, by an officer who, I believe, actually knew the score, that the mid-1960s decision to "benchmark" military occupations against the civil service was goring along smoothly until someone said, "Right, now directors ..."

Then, as now, a director in the civil service is the first executive level - where technical skill and knowledge meet policy. So, easy, right? The first executive level in the military is ship's captain, battalion/regimental CO and RCAF squadron CO ... right? I mean those really are executive positions, aren't they?

Well, maybe not ... or at least not so fast. Back circa 1965 the title director wasn't used much in the military except inn the Army where they was a DArty and DInf and DSigs and so on ... all full colonels. "Look," said a couple of senior officers, "if we make all our directors captains(N) and colonels and group captains then we will get big pay raises for our boys." (There weren't many women at all in their CF in 1965 and damned few of that few were colonels.)

Anyway, that's what happened so a real executive gave up command of his ship unit or squadron and came to Ottawa and was a section head, a technical expert while (s)he had to wait for promotion to be an executive, again.

 

[markppcli]

I absolutely agree with you. So can we make that a PAN CAF policy again ?

Because that is fully not the concept of SEMs for the CWO corps. Unless you're combat arms. Then your numbers are protected and you get some of everyone else.



It is you're correct.



I agree with you.

The theory behind the CWO Corps disagrees with you.

Unless you're Combat Arms. Then your positions are protected and you get some of everyone else too.



Hit the nail on the head.

Right misread you. Terrible option all around

 

[AmmoTech90]

Trades shouldn't have any CPO1s or CWOs at all.

They belong to the CPO1/CWO Corps now.

Yep, this was in 2015-16, during the first pogrom.

I got out in 2016.

 

[dapaterson]

I should never be considered for any RSM positions and no green DEU people should be considered for a SCWO position either.

I don't know. I think you could put the Arse back into RSM.

 

[KevinB]

While I agree with @markppcli that one should not be forced, there should be zero issue with better versions being avail if one wishes to purchase them.

The Mafia wants a word with you…

 

[markppcli]

The Mafia wants a word with you…

I’m posted to an artillery regiment. Imagine my surprise at finding out they all get free gunner pt kit upon joining.

 

[KevinB]

I’m posted to an artillery regiment. Imagine my surprise at finding out they all get free gunner pt kit upon joining.

Imagine Regimental dues actually being used for the troops -- how very un-Infantry Mafia ish

 

[QV]

How can an RSM in a Bn assess the performance of his CSMs if he’s never set a CCP / controlled the fast pack done any other CSM job ? That’s absurd.

Isn't the OC doing the performance assessment for the CSM?

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I pay into a Sqn fund. Completely optional and mostly supports things like BBQs on Ground Trg Days and Christmas parties. $7/month. No one does extras in the AF and certainly not for opting to not pay into the Fund. They just have to pay for their burgers at GTD BBQ.

Air Force version of Regt Dues?

 

[QV]

This should happen. And then maybe we can finally get rid of this stupid idea.

The best way to get rid of stupid policies is to follow the policy to the letter.

 

[markppcli]

Isn't the OC doing the performance assessment for the CSM?

He may write his PER but in terms of actually asssessing and mentoring him in doing his job? No.

 

[markppcli]

Imagine Regimental dues actually being used for the troops -- how very un-Infantry Mafia ish

I wonder if I can get a poll on if the guys would prefer a 10 dollars regimental t shirt once a year or a hard copy of the patrician. I think I know the answer.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I pay into a Sqn fund. Completely optional and mostly supports things like BBQs on Ground Trg Days and Christmas parties. $7/month. No one does extras in the AF and certainly not for opting to not pay into the Fund. They just have to pay for their burgers at GTD BBQ.

Air Force version of Regt Dues?

I'll give you an example of how the Army rolls...

Have you seen the 'Museum of the Regiments' in Calgary? Very nice, worth a visit The Military Museums - The Military Museums

Someone on here will correct me but, as I understand it, it was mostly funded by the 'involuntary' contributions of thousands of soldiers passing through various training depots in Alberta. I'm guessing that few of them visited it, either.

Ironically, soon after it was built, the CAF shut down CFB Calgary and moved everyone to Edmonton.

CFB Calgary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CBH99]

Ironically, soon after it was built, the CAF shut down CFB Calgary and moved everyone to Edmonton

If that ain't the most Canadian thing I think I've ever heard...

 

[Infanteer]

He may write his PER but in terms of actually asssessing and mentoring him in doing his job? No.

You'd be surprised.

 

[OldSolduer]

If that ain't the most Canadian thing I think I've ever heard...

That was punishment to Southern Alberta for having the temerity to vote Conservative while Edmonton voted Liberal. Chrétien and his gang were not forgiving.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I'll give you an example of how the Army rolls...

Have you seen the 'Museum of the Regiments' in Calgary? Very nice, worth a visit The Military Museums - The Military Museums

Someone on here will correct me but, as I understand it, it was mostly funded by the 'involuntary' contributions of thousands of soldiers passing through various training depots in Alberta. I'm guessing that few of them visited it, either.

Ironically, soon after it was built, the CAF shut down CFB Calgary and moved everyone to Edmonton.

CFB Calgary - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nice museum, not sure I'll say I support the funding model.

Sqn Fund = free hot dogs!! I'll stick with the Sqn Fund.

 

[OldSolduer]

Nice museum, not sure I'll say I support the funding model.

Sqn Fund = free hot dogs!! I'll stick with the Sqn Fund.

The Regimental dues did not fund the Museum of the Regiments. The four Regiments that are housed their received corporate and individual donations PLUS funding from the three levels of government.

 

[FSTO]

That was punishment to Southern Alberta for having the temerity to vote Conservative while Edmonton voted Liberal. Chrétien and his gang were not forgiving.

Same thing for Chilliwack.