Updated Army Service Dress project

[Eaglelord17]

People who can't read the army ranks also tend to be the ones who don't know the navy ones... so, its a fault in the member, not the rank badges.

Yes going from a universally acclaimed by our allies system for it’s simplicity which was uniquely Canadian to a more complex difficult to read system which is based off a order system we don’t even have in Canada (order of Bath) makes lots of sense.

Considering the Navy doesn’t even use the proper legal Naval ranks (OS, AB, LS, and MS), how are they supposed to get mad if someone doesn’t know their alternative made up illegal system.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Yes going from a universally acclaimed by our allies system for it’s simplicity which was uniquely Canadian to a more complex difficult to read system which is based off a order system we don’t even have in Canada (order of Bath) makes lots of sense.

Considering the Navy doesn’t even use the proper legal Naval ranks (OS, AB, LS, and MS), how are they supposed to get mad if someone doesn’t know their alternative made up illegal system.

I think you've made your position quite clear.

 

[Furniture]

Yes going from a universally acclaimed by our allies system for it’s simplicity which was uniquely Canadian to a more complex difficult to read system which is based off a order system we don’t even have in Canada (order of Bath) makes lots of sense.

There is nothing "uniquely Canadian" about the unification ranks for officers. They were pretty standard "anglosphere" navy officers ranks.

I worked with a lot of other countries, none ever commented on ranks being easy or hard to understand.

Considering the Navy doesn’t even use the proper legal Naval ranks (OS, AB, LS, and MS), how are they supposed to get mad if someone doesn’t know their alternative made up illegal system.

Except I wasn't just refering to NCM ranks, and even then, the ones above MS are unchanged since unification. People still can't be bothered to learn them, so it's down to the member, not the badges or names.

I'll also let you in on a little secret. The army was using "illegal" ranks for decades, and nobody cared. Why is it that the RCN doing the same thing is such a travesty? Is ot because they went away from traditional names?

 

[Maxman1]

a more complex difficult to read system which is based off a order system we don’t even have in Canada (order of Bath)

We used pips and crowns for over a century. It's more Canadian than the system Paul Helleyer made up.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

The unified officer ranks were the best in NATO in my opinion, very easy to read and understand. Pips and crowns aren’t nearly as effective.

The French one, with the exact same ranks identifiers for officers and non-comms across the Army, Navy, Air Force and Gendarmerie is also pretty straight forward.

We used pips and crowns for over a century. It's more Canadian than the system Paul Helleyer made up.

And how many of us (other than the few "dinosaurs" around here ) have ever known the CAF with the pips and crowns?

P.S.: Funny fact here: Most police forces in Canada always liked to emulate the military, so had similar Pips and Crowns for their ranks at the time of unification, and continued with the system ever since. One exception: Quebec. Most police forces, including the three largest ones (SQ, Montel and Quebec City) changed to adopt the CAF stripes system and are still using it to this day.

 

[Eaglelord17]

We used pips and crowns for over a century. It's more Canadian than the system Paul Helleyer made up.

It’s British, not Canadian. As evidenced by the fact the pip is based off the Order of Bath, a British order Canadians have been unable to be part of since 1952. That sounds super Canadian to me. Also keep in mind most the time we used those ranks Canadians were considered British subjects and lacked autonomy.

Alternatively you have the unification system, made by Canadians for Canadians. That is much more Canadian than just going with the system adopted from our former rulers.

Except I wasn't just refering to NCM ranks, and even then, the ones above MS are unchanged since unification. People still can't be bothered to learn them, so it's down to the member, not the badges or names.

I'll also let you in on a little secret. The army was using "illegal" ranks for decades, and nobody cared. Why is it that the RCN doing the same thing is such a travesty? Is ot because they went away from traditional names?

I am not a fan of the Army doing so either. That being said there is a difference between people using traditional titles and carrying on their usage (such as Killick or OD) than making up new ranks out of thin air and demanding everyone else use them and not use their legal ranks.

 

[PuckChaser]

I'll also let you in on a little secret. The army was using "illegal" ranks for decades, and nobody cared. Why is it that the RCN doing the same thing is such a travesty? Is ot because they went away from traditional names?

Which ones? Trooper? Bombardier? Colour Sergeant? Those are all legally defined in QR&O Volume 1 Art 3.01 since at least 2006. Sailor 3rd Class is not.

 

[markppcli]

There is nothing "uniquely Canadian" about the unification ranks for officers. They were pretty standard "anglosphere" navy officers ranks.

I worked with a lot of other countries, none ever commented on ranks being easy or hard to understand.


Except I wasn't just refering to NCM ranks, and even then, the ones above MS are unchanged since unification. People still can't be bothered to learn them, so it's down to the member, not the badges or names.

I'll also let you in on a little secret. The army was using "illegal" ranks for decades, and nobody cared. Why is it that the RCN doing the same thing is such a travesty? Is ot because they went away from traditional names?

What was uniquely Canadian was using them in a unified system. It made a joint working units very very simple. Still does for NCOs. When we have members who won’t learn to the ranks of the navy, it’s at least nice for them to be able to understand the equivalence at a glance.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Right now, mark, it's only the Army officers who stand out with their pips and crowns. The Air Force changed the colour, but it is still the same system as the unification one (other than the grotesque General's uniforms), as is the RCN system other than having the exec. curl.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Right now, mark, it's only the Army officers who stand out with their pips and crowns. The Air Force changed the colour, but it is still the same system as the unification one (other than the grotesque General's uniforms), as is the RCN system other than having the exec. curl.

Just try to explain what a RSM is to anyone else, especially Yanks

 

[Maxman1]

It’s British, not Canadian. As evidenced by the fact the pip is based off the Order of Bath, a British order Canadians have been unable to be part of since 1952. That sounds super Canadian to me. Also keep in mind most the time we used those ranks Canadians were considered British subjects and lacked autonomy.

So? Australia and New Zealand use the same ranks and they don't have any issues.

Pips and crowns aren't going anywhere any time soon. If it offends you that bad, you can always move to America or some other country that doesn't use them.

Alternatively you have the unification system, made by Canadians for Canadians. That is much more Canadian than just going with the system adopted from our former rulers.

Unification was a failure dreamt up by a legitimately schizophrenic man.