Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[PPCLI Guy]

These are rookie click-bait numbers...

FTFY

 

[daftandbarmy]

FTFY

If you want clickbait, its always best to go to an MP’s social media feed

 

[Jarnhamar]

Mark Carney cranks up immigration while pretending not to

The previous Liberal immigration plan called for 365,000 permanent residents in 2027. Carney's plan increases that target to 380,000 annually.
Slight increase, but the 380,000 figure doesn't tell the whole story. The government has also announced additional measures to accelerate the transition of existing temporary residents and protected persons to permanent residency:

• Up to 115,000 protected persons and their dependants
• Up to 33,000 temporary workers
• A further time limited initiative providing permanent residency opportunities for people already living in Canada

Budget 2026 puts the broader transition initiative at up to 200,000 temporary residents by the end of 2027.
[These are additional permanent-residency admissions, but an important distinction is that these people are already in Canada. They are not 200,000 additional newcomers arriving at the border]


Now consider the temporary resident targets for 2027:

• 50,000 through the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.
• 170,000 through the International Mobility Program.
• 150,000 international students.

That's another 370,000 temporary resident arrivals - many of whom we know don't like to leave when their time us up.

Canada's published targets are:

• 380,000 permanent resident admissions.
• 370,000 new temporary resident arrivals.

750,000 planned admissions and arrivals in 2027, before accounting for visitors and other categories outside these targets.


Canada is still bringing in substantial numbers of temporary workers and international students while simultaneously trying to reduce its temporary population to below 5% of the national population. The government also intends to transition up to 200,000 people already here into permanent residency. That means a significant number of people currently classified as temporary residents will become permanent residents rather than leave Canada.


The big questions are whether housing, healthcare, infrastructure and public services can accommodate the population growth. Almost a million per year. Another question is whether the government has a credible plan to manage temporary residents when their permits expire.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Mark Carney cranks up immigration while pretending not to

The previous Liberal immigration plan called for 365,000 permanent residents in 2027. Carney's plan increases that target to 380,000 annually.
Slight increase, but the 380,000 figure doesn't tell the whole story. The government has also announced additional measures to accelerate the transition of existing temporary residents and protected persons to permanent residency:

• Up to 115,000 protected persons and their dependants
• Up to 33,000 temporary workers
• A further time limited initiative providing permanent residency opportunities for people already living in Canada

Budget 2026 puts the broader transition initiative at up to 200,000 temporary residents by the end of 2027.
[These are additional permanent-residency admissions, but an important distinction is that these people are already in Canada. They are not 200,000 additional newcomers arriving at the border]


Now consider the temporary resident targets for 2027:

• 50,000 through the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.
• 170,000 through the International Mobility Program.
• 150,000 international students.

That's another 370,000 temporary resident arrivals - many of whom we know don't like to leave when their time us up.

Canada's published targets are:

• 380,000 permanent resident admissions.
• 370,000 new temporary resident arrivals.

750,000 planned admissions and arrivals in 2027, before accounting for visitors and other categories outside these targets.


Canada is still bringing in substantial numbers of temporary workers and international students while simultaneously trying to reduce its temporary population to below 5% of the national population. The government also intends to transition up to 200,000 people already here into permanent residency. That means a significant number of people currently classified as temporary residents will become permanent residents rather than leave Canada.


The big questions are whether housing, healthcare, infrastructure and public services can accommodate the population growth. Almost a million per year. Another question is whether the government has a credible plan to manage temporary residents when their permits expire.

Follow the money, who will this benefit ?

 

[Czech_pivo]

Follow the money, who will this benefit ?

Well 150,000 international 'students' will benefit the Universities/Colleges across the country full stop. If the average student spends 35k/yr in tuition/food/accommodations that is a significant chunk of money that the schools will receive which in turn is a direct savings to the Pro Gov't in not having to transfer that funding over to the schools.

150k * 35k = 5.25b a yr in direct revenue to schools, landlords, grocery stores, etc.

I don't have issues with this necessarily - except for 100% certainty - that we should be DIRECTLY following the US and the EU's laws on what employment these 150k international students can undertake and the amount of hours they can work weekly.

The current laws allow for them to work up to 24hrs/week off campus during the school year in any job type they can find and unlimited hours/week when school is not in session. For 'on-campus' work there are no weekly hour/week restrictions.

In the US, an international student can work up to 20hrs/week on campus (vs our NO restrictions on the # of hrs/week). For off-campus - strictly regulated to ONLY employment directly related to their field of study (in other words, they can't be working at Duckin Donuts or McD's), which can ONLY occur after 1yr successful completion of studies and then only 20hr/week.

See the difference between the two? With ours there is zero restrictions on the type of work, the need to complete 1yr of schooling in your programme before be able to work at all, either on or off campus, and the stipulation that your employment must be directly related to your field of study - i.e. you're studying engineering so you work in a job related to engineering not pouring coffee or flipping burgers.....

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Follow the money, who will this benefit ?

The economy? And hence all of us? Canada has a demographic crisis - if only because our domestic market is stagnant to shrinking, let alone the labour shortage

 

[foresterab]

Mark Carney cranks up immigration while pretending not to

The previous Liberal immigration plan called for 365,000 permanent residents in 2027. Carney's plan increases that target to 380,000 annually.
Slight increase, but the 380,000 figure doesn't tell the whole story. The government has also announced additional measures to accelerate the transition of existing temporary residents and protected persons to permanent residency:

• Up to 115,000 protected persons and their dependants
• Up to 33,000 temporary workers
• A further time limited initiative providing permanent residency opportunities for people already living in Canada

Budget 2026 puts the broader transition initiative at up to 200,000 temporary residents by the end of 2027.
[These are additional permanent-residency admissions, but an important distinction is that these people are already in Canada. They are not 200,000 additional newcomers arriving at the border]


Now consider the temporary resident targets for 2027:

• 50,000 through the Temporary Foreign Worker Program.
• 170,000 through the International Mobility Program.
• 150,000 international students.

That's another 370,000 temporary resident arrivals - many of whom we know don't like to leave when their time us up.

Canada's published targets are:

• 380,000 permanent resident admissions.
• 370,000 new temporary resident arrivals.

750,000 planned admissions and arrivals in 2027, before accounting for visitors and other categories outside these targets.


Canada is still bringing in substantial numbers of temporary workers and international students while simultaneously trying to reduce its temporary population to below 5% of the national population. The government also intends to transition up to 200,000 people already here into permanent residency. That means a significant number of people currently classified as temporary residents will become permanent residents rather than leave Canada.


The big questions are whether housing, healthcare, infrastructure and public services can accommodate the population growth. Almost a million per year. Another question is whether the government has a credible plan to manage temporary residents when their permits expire.

So there a couple of concerns with this...
1) What future are we offering existing Canadian youth if they know /expect every entry job will be at minimum wage and/or be staffed by TFW.

2) While I can see how the post secondary schools are loving international students for high demand professions - thinking especially the medical field - should these slots be going to Canadians or international studies that are already "mobile" capital?

3) IF the solution to the economy is to keep flooding the market with cheap labour....how will Canadian industries ever become competitive? I'm think the US Confederate south planation economy vs. the more industrialized north during their Civil War....and many of our industries have been under capitalized for decades making them less competitive than international options. Some industries have been more aggressive than others - saw mills and drilling rigs are good examples of automation allowing significantly more production with vastly reduced labour costs - but I'm sure there are many other sectors that could be considered.

 

[Brad Sallows]

IF the solution to the economy is to keep flooding the market with cheap labour....

Canada isn't going to invest and immigrate its way to prosperity with the lowest wage jobs.

Immigration support has a cost. It's better if that cost is divided among as many high-value immigrants as possible. Students can be high-value immigrants, depending on what they are studying and whether they are actually studying it.

We're long past the time when money could just be scattered around with the assumption that some of it would take seed and the rest was just the cost of doing that business.

 

[foresterab]

Canada isn't going to invest and immigrate its way to prosperity with the lowest wage jobs.

Immigration support has a cost. It's better if that cost is divided among as many high-value immigrants as possible. Students can be high-value immigrants, depending on what they are studying and whether they are actually studying it.

We're long past the time when money could just be scattered around with the assumption that some of it would take seed and the rest was just the cost of doing that business.

100% agree with high value immigrant values. Worked with too many international backgrounds in professional roles over the years from all over the globe to not see that. Almost every doctor I know is international backgrounds for example - Irish and South African mostly. Chemists, Research Scientists that are subject matter experts.

Gas station attendants and waitresses is where I struggle on large scale immigration - not only does it remove critical jobs from the existing population here but also creates an economic need to cluster together - just due to the cost of living - and that also can affect how well populations integrate. Note this is a historical issue as well as current and it doesn't' matter if we're talking Irish neighborhoods, Italian, Jamaican, East Indian...

 

[Brad Sallows]

Gas station attendants and waitresses is where I struggle on large scale immigration

A study of how ethnicities seem to be concentrated in particular small businesses, or categories of small businesses, in different regions of the country, would be interesting.

For example, in some neighbourhoods with which I am familiar the wait staff in casual restaurants seem to overwhelmingly be young and female and not often of the same ethnicities as the people working behind counters in fast-food restaurants in the same area.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The economy? And hence all of us? Canada has a demographic crisis - if only because our domestic market is stagnant to shrinking, let alone the labour shortage

If that was true shouldn't we have been doing amazing since Trudeau threw open the doors ?

All I have seen is prices for everything sky rocket, Canadians lose access to entry level jobs, and my daughter's future look more and more bleak.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Well 150,000 international 'students' will benefit the Universities/Colleges across the country full stop. If the average student spends 35k/yr in tuition/food/accommodations that is a significant chunk of money that the schools will receive which in turn is a direct savings to the Pro Gov't in not having to transfer that funding over to the schools.

150k * 35k = 5.25b a yr in direct revenue to schools, landlords, grocery stores, etc.

I don't have issues with this necessarily - except for 100% certainty - that we should be DIRECTLY following the US and the EU's laws on what employment these 150k international students can undertake and the amount of hours they can work weekly.

The current laws allow for them to work up to 24hrs/week off campus during the school year in any job type they can find and unlimited hours/week when school is not in session. For 'on-campus' work there are no weekly hour/week restrictions.

In the US, an international student can work up to 20hrs/week on campus (vs our NO restrictions on the # of hrs/week). For off-campus - strictly regulated to ONLY employment directly related to their field of study (in other words, they can't be working at Duckin Donuts or McD's), which can ONLY occur after 1yr successful completion of studies and then only 20hr/week.

See the difference between the two? With ours there is zero restrictions on the type of work, the need to complete 1yr of schooling in your programme before be able to work at all, either on or off campus, and the stipulation that your employment must be directly related to your field of study - i.e. you're studying engineering so you work in a job related to engineering not pouring coffee or flipping burgers.....

Interesting stat:

AI ASSISTED Official investigations by immigration authorities reveal that as many as 47,175 foreign students may currently be in Canada illegally after failing to show up for classes or dropping out of contact. [1, 2]
The issue involves a mix of organized visa fraud, unaccredited or non-compliant institutions, and predatory immigration consultants.

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[Czech_pivo]

Interesting stat:

AI ASSISTED Official investigations by immigration authorities reveal that as many as 47,175 foreign students may currently be in Canada illegally after failing to show up for classes or dropping out of contact. [1, 2]
The issue involves a mix of organized visa fraud, unaccredited or non-compliant institutions, and predatory immigration consultants.

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Yup - 100%. Find and deport.

 

[foresterab]

A study of how ethnicities seem to be concentrated in particular small businesses, or categories of small businesses, in different regions of the country, would be interesting.

For example, in some neighbourhoods with which I am familiar the wait staff in casual restaurants seem to overwhelmingly be young and female and not often of the same ethnicities as the people working behind counters in fast-food restaurants in the same area.

There was several small franchise type stores in the area - both gas stations and restaurants - where staffing was 100% one ethnicity. Locals could not find work there...but TFW's were common. Part of the game was to hire TFW at one location and then re-locate them to another location due to "shift availability" or other such terms.

When the TFW numbers were introduced two years ago a significant number have shut down...and no tears were shed as there was no local connection. Several other places which were using large numbers of TFW and/or laying off locals to import more staff have all of sudden been able to hire locals again and now seeing kids, seniors, muti-cultural new Canadians etc. working jobs that didn't exist 2 years ago.

Unfortunately some job sectors are less desirable than others....janitors come to mind....and certain cultural groups seem to dominate those. Filipinos as custodians (AB), Lebanese as barbers (AB), Sikhs as long haul truck drivers (BC), Jamaicans as fruit pickers (ON) Mexicans as laborer in honey bee operations. (AB)...you can add in your own mix.

To your comment re: waitresses....the casual restaurants here are almost all Canadians...but the longest time the kitchen staff were not. Again...cheaper to import than train someone.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Interesting stat:

AI ASSISTED Official investigations by immigration authorities reveal that as many as 47,175 foreign students may currently be in Canada illegally after failing to show up for classes or dropping out of contact. [1, 2]
The issue involves a mix of organized visa fraud, unaccredited or non-compliant institutions, and predatory immigration consultants.

Search

After a little digging...

The claim is partly true, but it is often stated more strongly than the available evidence supports.

What immigration officials have publicly said is that 47,175 international students were identified as potentially non-compliant with their study permit conditions, based largely on reports from post-secondary institutions that could not confirm their attendance or had lost contact with them.

The important nuance is that IRCC did not say all 47,175 are "in Canada illegally." In testimony to a House of Commons committee, IRCC official Aiesha Zafar stated that these are potentially non-compliant cases and that officials had not yet determined whether they were fully non-compliant.

A more accurate way to phrase the situation would be:

"IRCC has flagged 47,175 international students as potentially non-compliant with the conditions of their study permits, including students reported as not attending classes or whose institutions could not confirm their status. Canadian officials have not confirmed that all of these individuals are illegally in Canada."

Additional context:

• The figure was reported to Parliament by IRCC officials in 2025.
• The number represents roughly 8% of the compliance-check cases reviewed, according to IRCC testimony.
• Some flagged students may have transferred schools, taken approved leaves, updated their status late, or otherwise been incorrectly flagged. IRCC specifically cautioned that the number is preliminary.
• Schools are required to report students who stop attending, and the Canada Border Services Agency is responsible for investigating and enforcing immigration violations.

So if someone says"official investigations reveal that 47,175 foreign students are in Canada illegally," that is an overstatement. If they say"IRCC has flagged 47,175 international students as potentially non-compliant and some may be in Canada illegally," that is much closer to what officials have actually reported

 

[Czech_pivo]

After a little digging...

The claim is partly true, but it is often stated more strongly than the available evidence supports.

What immigration officials have publicly said is that 47,175 international students were identified as potentially non-compliant with their study permit conditions, based largely on reports from post-secondary institutions that could not confirm their attendance or had lost contact with them.

In the US, its the Universities that are on the 'hook' to verify that the work that the student is doing OFF campus is line in with their field of study as its the University that signs off on the student visa for them to study/live in the US.

I believe that 100% we should be following the US (and EU) rules for allowing international students to work in Canada. They are here to STUDY not to work and offset their cost of living here. This loophole needs to be shut down.