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Re: Body building and the Canadian forces
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2013, 14:48:16 »

He asked a question, I felt I was qualified to answer it. The question had nothing to do with Canadian Forces, but rather with his ability to comprehend what he wrote in this thread. If someone asks how to wipe their ***, I don't think I need to be a member of the Canadian Forces to answer that.

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Re: Body building and the Canadian forces
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2013, 15:25:20 »
OK, folks, I believe the "anything's possible, but count on nothing being guaranteed when you have other mission-critical work to do" message to the OP has been confirmed.

Let's lock 'er up for now, shall we?

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How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2013, 13:55:04 »
How big can you get (in the CAF)?

Most bodybuilders I know (huge men, 260lbs.+ at the minimum), aren't the best runners, nor even the strongest fighters. I know Muay Thai fanatics that are stronger and fitter than my gym rat brethren, and that's all completely okay - to each their own.

We've all seen at least a few big men in the Canadian Armed Forces, but how hard is it to maintain? Because, even though this debate has been going on for ages, it's commonly accepted that endurance, strength and muscle mass are mutually exclusive things. You can't be Mr. Olympia AND the next Usain Bolt.

What are your thoughts on this? Can you weight lift in the army? If you want to be big, can you still be fit?

What I'd most appreciate is feedback from people that know about these things first hand.

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2013, 14:02:26 »
What I'd most appreciate is feedback from people that know about these things first hand.

Some here. ( 2013 )

Body building and the Canadian forces 
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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2013, 14:58:59 »
As has been said before, a bodybuilding physique is not ideal for military life. Lifting is all well and good but if you want to look like Phil Heath or Jay Cutler, forget about it.  A bodybuilder in competition is at his weakest due to his low body fat and the fact he's basically dehydrated (not to mention the special diet that the military will not provide) You won't be very useful in the field in that situation. In garrison you might be able to make good size gains (work commitments depending) but you'll likely lose it when you go on ex.

My advice: forget about being a bodybuilder in the Army.
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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #30 on: November 03, 2013, 15:59:12 »
As has been said before, a bodybuilding physique is not ideal for military life. Lifting is all well and good but if you want to look like Phil Heath or Jay Cutler, forget about it.  A bodybuilder in competition is at his weakest due to his low body fat and the fact he's basically dehydrated (not to mention the special diet that the military will not provide) You won't be very useful in the field in that situation. In garrison you might be able to make good size gains (work commitments depending) but you'll likely lose it when you go on ex.

My advice: forget about being a bodybuilder in the Army.

That and the steroid use that tends to be inherent in the sport doesn't tend to make it terribly compatible with the military lifestyle. If you were gonna try to do it regardless of these road blocks you'd probably be best off in a trade that spends minimal amounts of time in the field.
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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2013, 18:42:00 »
Wot he said.

Let me put it to you simply. On my last summer tour of the sandpit, the majority of guys I saw stretchered off the battlefield due to dehydration/heat exhaustion were also fanatically weightlifting/using supplements in their down time. The ones who kept on trucking in the 60 degree heat with 80lbs of kit were the skinny smokers and runners.

Take that as you will.

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2013, 20:43:15 »
I've seen some 500 series techs, clerks, etc who were able to keep a decent size going while base-side.  Much field or sea time and forget it.

If you are thinking hard-army trade, you'll be fit enough (probably) but not necessarily able to keep size on and shred it up any.

If you are Navy, 10 o'clock soup will work against you.  If you are at a RCAF Sqn, BMS will do the same.   ;D

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2013, 21:13:21 »
I've seen some 500 series techs, clerks, etc who were able to keep a decent size going while base-side.  Much field or sea time and forget it.

If you are thinking hard-army trade, you'll be fit enough (probably) but not necessarily able to keep size on and shred it up any.

If you are Navy, 10 o'clock soup will work against you.  If you are at a RCAF Sqn, BMS will do the same.   ;D

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I get '10 o'clock soup' (as unappealling as soup would be at that time in the morning), but what on earth is BMS?

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2013, 21:22:26 »
Between Meal Snack/Supplement.  The odds and sods (cookies, etc) that are usually in the coffee room at a Sqn and (for us, in the galley) on the aircraft.

Kind of like the BMB (Between Meal Beverage) we used to be able to get with a FMR and could/would come with trays of stuff to go with the coffee or whatever else came for the BMB.
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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2013, 21:32:24 »
Wot he said.

Let me put it to you simply. On my last summer tour of the sandpit, the majority of guys I saw stretchered off the battlefield due to dehydration/heat exhaustion were also fanatically weightlifting/using supplements in their down time. The ones who kept on trucking in the 60 degree heat with 80lbs of kit were the skinny smokers and runners.

Take that as you will.

I've managed to get in some pretty decent shape while on tour, but never particularly big just lean and toned.
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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2013, 21:52:42 »
Between Meal Snack/Supplement.  The odds and sods (cookies, etc) that are usually in the coffee room at a Sqn and (for us, in the galley) on the aircraft.

Kind of like the BMB (Between Meal Beverage) we used to be able to get with a FMR and could/would come with trays of stuff to go with the coffee or whatever else came for the BMB.

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Thanks. Been a while since I've seen an FMR.

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2013, 00:38:46 »
In my unit and Wing for that matter, there are plenty of guys who do the regular gym/weight room stuff. Hell a close buddy of mine had the time to compete in a show, so yes within certain trades it is possible to achieve a close resemblance to a bodybuilder. Will you have the time to train, eat and give all your focus to bodybuilding like the pro's? No. I can only think of maybe one or two positions within our unit where you MIGHT have the opportunity to make some serious gains. This is assuming you aren't deployed anywhere on exercise, which is unlikely. Then when you do deploy, you worry about eating correctly while on Full per diem or foreign mess food, hoping your shacks or hotel (for us Air Force type) is close to a gym and brining enough supplements for your routine. To make serious, natural gains, takes years of dedication and correct nutrition. I've seen a few seriously big dudes lumbering around the weight room who could compete in a show with enough dedication. I don't know what a daily schedule is like in the Army (i'd imagine it involves lots of random jackings and yelling  ;D ) so it's hard to tell you a yes or no. In the Air Force if you are in the right squadron that doesn't deploy you for half a year, you probably would have enough time to eat during the day and hit the weight room after/before work.

There are tones of variables and pieces that have to fall into place for you to "get swole" in the CAF. Best thing you can do is try to eat enough food and get to the weight room 5-6 times a week. Don't forget plenty of rest.

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2013, 05:39:31 »
:facepalm:

Thanks. Been a while since I've seen an FMR.

I'm not even sure they exist anymore.  Someone might have renamed it to get that "Leading Change" thing off "Developing".   8) 
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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2013, 07:02:52 »
Bodybuilders are glass cannons. My nephew just won a lightweight contest last weekend. Though he is a monster I had to help my brother move in all his new weightlifting equipment as he is so prone to joint injuries around contest time.

Does anyone remember that testing the Health Services group did many years ago that eventually turned into the BFT? The one where the chubby soldiers had significantly more endurance than the cardio or bodybuilding addicts and the results were binned because you chubby f#$%s don't need an excuse to eat more. ;)

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2013, 07:31:44 »
The brits came to the same conclusion during the Falklands.  And I don't think the term used was 'chubby' :P

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Re: How big can you get in the Canadian Armed Forces? (BODYBUILDING)
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2013, 20:11:02 »
The brits came to the same conclusion during the Falklands.

Just curious what this is all about.

From an Air Force stand point, if the member looks good in uniform, can pass his PT test and perform his daily task, then it's good enough. What I don't like to see are those in DEU's with buttons stretched out to the max.  Buddy of mine and I went into the tailor to ask for a tunic reduction around the midsection, he says in his 10 years he has seldom seen that request on the Wing. :facepalm: