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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #275 on: November 27, 2015, 08:01:11 »
The high-education/skilled folks, I understand - I think I was more surprised to see China (only just) in the top ten countries sending refugees here in 2014, not to mention all those who've come here since 2004 ....

.... and holding the top slot in 2014 (see CIC spreadsheet attached).
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #276 on: November 27, 2015, 18:12:25 »
The US had 4,451 refugees to Canada in 10 years.  Amazing that a country that is, in my opinion, a lot freer and fairer than Canada would generate any legitimate refugees.

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #277 on: November 27, 2015, 19:24:40 »
The US had 4,451 refugees to Canada in 10 years.  Amazing that a country that is, in my opinion, a lot freer and fairer than Canada would generate any legitimate refugees.
It would be interesting to see how many of those have been deserters from the various ME/SWA wars.  The Info-machine definition is "Refugees are people who have fled their countries because of a well-founded fear of persecution, and who are therefore unable to return home".

In the case of deseters, one man's "persecution" is another's "enforcing the terms of enlistment" - discuss  ;D
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #278 on: November 27, 2015, 23:38:16 »
>I don't think getting them through screening and through airport security is going to be the biggest hurdle. There is a lot more to it than putting them through a metal detector. The biggest issue is going to be the logistics after they make it through the screening and are living on Canadian soil.

Yes.  Transporting people is not the issue.  Settling them once they arrive is.

That is why - relaxed deadline aside - I still render an overall thumbs-down on the project.  The whole commitment was about bidding for votes and has become an exercise in maintaining the new government's image and sustaining the social posturing of well-meaning people with short attention spans - selfishness on all parts.  Long after the government delivers the last of the 25,000 refugees into someone else's hands and spends its last committed dollar, other people will be dealing with the problem.  To the extent that organizations (and their funds) are occupied with cleaning up the mess created by the Liberals and the people whose interest in refugees was born during the election and will disappear again once the government declares "mission accomplished", more deserving and needy refugees will necessarily have been shunted aside and will have to wait longer.  That is shameful, not praiseworthy.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #279 on: November 28, 2015, 12:16:48 »
So I was listening to CBC Friday morning( some parts of N Ont it's all you get) and some minor Liberal functionary was going on about how we sent 500 personal over to screen the new Canadians. One thing he said struck a nerve, upon arrival they get resident status automatically. Doesn't that mean we can't get rid of them if later it's found out that whoops we missed his or her terrorist status?
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #280 on: November 28, 2015, 12:44:30 »
So I was listening to CBC Friday morning( some parts of N Ont it's all you get) and some minor Liberal functionary was going on about how we sent 500 personal over to screen the new Canadians. One thing he said struck a nerve, upon arrival they get resident status automatically. Doesn't that mean we can't get rid of them if later it's found out that whoops we missed his or her terrorist status?

Nope, you can strip resident status from an individual, and it's a much easier process than the newly introduced (and not yet fully Supreme Court approved) method to remove Canadian citizenship.

In practice, it probably doesn't matter. We are not going to be deporting anyone to Syria so long as the war continues. Note the problems we've had deporting people to Iraq and Afghanistan over the past few years.

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #281 on: November 28, 2015, 14:27:20 »
From the "it's never left enough for the hard left" files ....
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The Liberal government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has capitulated to the reactionary anti-refugee campaign whipped up by the political right in the wake of the November 13 terrorist attacks in Paris. In the name of “security,” it is imposing reactionary restrictions on its refugee resettlement program, effectively excluding most “unaccompanied” males, and delaying implementation of its pledge to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada by year’s end ....
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #282 on: November 28, 2015, 15:59:59 »
The US had 4,451 refugees to Canada in 10 years.  Amazing that a country that is, in my opinion, a lot freer and fairer than Canada would generate any legitimate refugees.
If you are crazy, the whole US might be out to get you.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #283 on: November 28, 2015, 16:04:00 »
The US had 4,451 refugees to Canada in 10 years.  Amazing that a country that is, in my opinion, a lot freer and fairer than Canada would generate any legitimate refugees.

I live in the States. 

I guess it is "freer and fairer" for me - because I am a) white b) have a job that comes with platinum plated health care and c) am happily ensconced in the top 3% of earners. 

Everyone else?  Not so much.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #284 on: November 28, 2015, 17:35:39 »
How does our monetary assistance program work?
From what I read the refugees will get a one time start up bonus then a monthly pay check of around $500 or $600 depending on a few variables.

How long does that last for? Are they cut off after a year or 5 years or could they hypothetically receive assistance for 20+ years?
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #285 on: November 28, 2015, 19:37:20 »
How does our monetary assistance program work?
From what I read the refugees will get a one time start up bonus then a monthly pay check of around $500 or $600 depending on a few variables.

How long does that last for? Are they cut off after a year or 5 years or could they hypothetically receive assistance for 20+ years?

Like Maritmer fishermen....
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #286 on: November 28, 2015, 20:26:47 »
How does our monetary assistance program work?
From what I read the refugees will get a one time start up bonus then a monthly pay check of around $500 or $600 depending on a few variables.

How long does that last for? Are they cut off after a year or 5 years or could they hypothetically receive assistance for 20+ years?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/outside/resettle-assist.asp
Resettlement Assistance Program

Resettlement assistance is provided by the Government of Canada to Convention Refugees Abroad and, in some instances, to members of the Country of Asylum Class who have been identified as refugees with special needs and who have been admitted to Canada as government-assisted refugees. Refugees who claimed refugee protection from inside Canada are not eligible for this program. These funds are used to help pay for:
•meeting the refugee at the airport or port of entry;
•temporary accommodation;
•help in finding permanent accommodation;
•basic household items; and
•general orientation to life in Canada.

This money is also used to give the refugee income support for up to one year or until that person becomes self-sufficient, whichever comes first.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #287 on: November 29, 2015, 11:53:57 »
The National Post is reporting that Montreal has hired an official co-ordinator to welcome the Syrian refugees to Montreal. He will be paid up to $110,000 for the three month period.   

Not a bad job.

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Syrian refugee coordinator in Montreal to make $1,800 a day to welcome the newcomers to Canada

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/syrian-refugee-coordinator-in-montreal-to-make-1800-a-day-to-welcome-the-newcomers-to-canada

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #288 on: November 29, 2015, 14:56:07 »
The National Post is reporting that Montreal has hired an official co-ordinator to welcome the Syrian refugees to Montreal. He will be paid up to $110,000 for the three month period.   

Not a bad job.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/syrian-refugee-coordinator-in-montreal-to-make-1800-a-day-to-welcome-the-newcomers-to-canada

A good job to hand out some pork barrel funding.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #289 on: November 29, 2015, 15:55:01 »
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/23/conservative_government_hiring_consultants_to_sell_sick_leave_reform.html

By: Alex Boutilier Staff Reporter, Published on Thu Jan 23 2014

OTTAWA—The federal government is hoping private sector consultants can help sell planned sick leave reforms to public servants.
Ottawa is looking for “disability benefit consultants” to assist the Conservatives’ push for public sector sick leave reforms — an issue that will be front and centre as a number of unions head to the negotiating table this year.

The consultants will be asked to do everything from advising Treasury Board on the design of the new sick leave system to developing “communications products” singing the praises of the new system to employees and union reps.

Treasury Board expects to pay as much as $525,000 over a four-year period for the consultants to help transition the public service to the new system, including interacting “with different stakeholders to explain the benefits of proposed short-term disability plan designs to meet the Government of Canada’s objectives.”

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Nothing to see here.  Move along.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #290 on: November 29, 2015, 16:15:36 »
I have it, first hand, from one working Ottawa church-supported charity that it will cost $24K to $26K per year to house, feed, clothe and provide e.g. bus passes and job help to one refugee family (arbitrarily described two adults and two school-age children). That's market rate rents and groceries. When asked what sort of help her little organization needed she replied: "just a bit of money. We've been doing this, nearly full time, since the Vietnamese "boat people" circa 1980," she said, "and we know what to do and how to do it; we don't need any consultants, just access to the people who need our help and some financial support from the community." Quite frankly I trust this lady and her two (equally grey haired) colleagues more than I trust ALL the politicians and bureaucrats and (especially) consultants, combined. My wife and I agreed that every penny we will offer to help the refugees ~ who really do need our help ~ will be funnelled through my wife's church group to this little, local organization; nothing goes to anything associated with government or "big welfare."
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #291 on: November 29, 2015, 16:33:02 »
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/01/23/conservative_government_hiring_consultants_to_sell_sick_leave_reform.html

By: Alex Boutilier Staff Reporter, Published on Thu Jan 23 2014

OTTAWA—The federal government is hoping private sector consultants can help sell planned sick leave reforms to public servants.
Ottawa is looking for “disability benefit consultants” to assist the Conservatives’ push for public sector sick leave reforms — an issue that will be front and centre as a number of unions head to the negotiating table this year.

The consultants will be asked to do everything from advising Treasury Board on the design of the new sick leave system to developing “communications products” singing the praises of the new system to employees and union reps.

Treasury Board expects to pay as much as $525,000 over a four-year period for the consultants to help transition the public service to the new system, including interacting “with different stakeholders to explain the benefits of proposed short-term disability plan designs to meet the Government of Canada’s objectives.”

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Nothing to see here.  Move along.

I am unclear what point you are attempting to make. Can you offer some clarification?

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #292 on: November 29, 2015, 16:36:37 »
I am unclear what point you are attempting to make. Can you offer some clarification?

In response to this:

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A good job to hand out some pork barrel funding.

I am suggesting that consultants are often hired by governments of all stripes to assist with the roll out of new programs etc - and that there is nothing wrong with that.
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #293 on: November 29, 2015, 22:50:37 »
Gotcha. I was particularly dense today and was not tracking.

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #294 on: November 29, 2015, 23:24:30 »
Canada already accepts 200,000 immigrants per year which is 16,667 per month.  An additional 10,000 in one month shouldn't be particularly difficult.  Rent them apartments, open them a bank account, buy them some groceries and introduce them to locals whose Arabic dialect they can understand - end of story.  The only further involvement needed would be giving them a welfare cheque by direct deposit each month for a certain time.

Immigrants is a very broad category, most of them are not "refugees."

According to this, Canada only accepts 10-14k refugees a year, so yes, an additional 10,000 in one month is a lot.

http://www.ancnl.ca/?Content=FAQ


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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #295 on: November 30, 2015, 07:00:05 »
The United States of America accept immigrants and refugees by the hundreds of thousands every year. They can accommodate all of these because of an effective taxation system. Their taxes are low that cause foreign investments and domestic investments exceed the employment rate. So no matter how large the number of refugees is, these refugees would in turn become enterpreneurs just like the ones who coddled them. Look at America, the no.1 superpower. They can afford adjustable water heaters unlike socialist countries. They have too much money for infrastructure that road signs become too redundant.

Because foreigners are allowed to buy houses in USA, the real estate industry is such a thriving one. If only we can reduce real estate taxes to foreigners, then there would be a boom in real estate. No, the members of Parliament practice that false nationalism that cause negative repercussions in the economy like the 60-40 share of Hydro. It's stupid! Why would I invest in a business where I would only get 40%?

If I were a closet communist economic saboteur I would aim first at the taxation system to sabotage the economy. We have plenty of these among Members of Parliament. Try thinking out of the box. Whom would you blame for Canada's 1 trillion dollar debt?

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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #296 on: November 30, 2015, 07:58:25 »
Alright, who's been feeding the trolls?
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #297 on: November 30, 2015, 09:06:20 »
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Re: SYR Refugees to Canada (split fm SYR refugees thread)
« Reply #298 on: November 30, 2015, 09:49:59 »
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/outside/resettle-assist.asp
Resettlement Assistance Program

Resettlement assistance is provided by the Government of Canada to Convention Refugees Abroad and, in some instances, to members of the Country of Asylum Class who have been identified as refugees with special needs and who have been admitted to Canada as government-assisted refugees. Refugees who claimed refugee protection from inside Canada are not eligible for this program. These funds are used to help pay for:
•meeting the refugee at the airport or port of entry;
•temporary accommodation;
•help in finding permanent accommodation;
•basic household items; and
•general orientation to life in Canada.

This money is also used to give the refugee income support for up to one year or until that person becomes self-sufficient, whichever comes first.

Thanks a lot. 
And after that resettlement assistance they can apply for regular assistance.
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