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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #225 on: July 11, 2016, 10:50:45 »
The establishment now controls Article 50

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Theresa May to become Prime Minister as Andrea Leadsom quits Conservative leadership race

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/theresa-may-launches-conservative-leadership-bid-as-andrea-leads/

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Andrea Leadsom supporters should not despair. Brexit is safe with Theresa May

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/11/andrea-leadsom-supporters-should-not-despair-brexit-is-safe-with/

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Theresa May will start her premiership facing a deep and dangerous split in the Conservative Party

JAMES KIRKUP

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/theresa-may-will-start-her-premiership-facing-a-deep-and-dangero/

Meanwhile

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The EU and Nato will both want to make Brexit work

IAN BOND
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/11/the-eu-and-nato-will-both-want-to-make-brexit-work/

And the negotiations continue......

I wait to see how much "sovereignty" Britain cedes/claims/reclaims.

At the same time I wonder how much longer the Westminster Party can continue to maintain a posture of control as they lose more and more of the population's support.





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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #226 on: July 11, 2016, 11:15:32 »
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Party   Seats
Conservative   330
Labour   230
Scottish National Party   54
Democratic Unionist Party   8
Liberal Democrat   8
Independent   4
Sinn Fein   4
Plaid Cymru   3
Social Democratic & Labour Party   3
Ulster Unionist Party   2
Green Party   1
Speaker   1
UK Independence Party   1
Vacant   1
Total number of seats   650
Working Government Majority   16

245 Tory MPs voted for May and Gove against 84 who supported the "Party Candidate" Leadsom

The Conservatives have a current membership of 149,800

190 Labour MPs abstained or voted against their Leader, Jeremy Corbyn, their "Party Candidate" against 40 supporters

Labour has a current membership of 503,000 that is skewing hard left and away from the Westminster Party

Approximately 190 MPs of 650 voted to Remain

17,410,742 UK citizens voted to Leave while 16,141,241 voted to Remain.  13,000,000 couldn't be arsed.

UKIP has 1 MP and a party membership of 45,000 (ca May 2015).

A story of tails and dogs.









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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #227 on: July 11, 2016, 18:31:51 »
Oh, great! The went with the hot looking one.  :o
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« Reply #228 on: July 11, 2016, 20:00:40 »
Oh, great! The went with the hot looking one.  :o

C'mon admit it.... you fancy Boris  ;)

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #229 on: July 12, 2016, 00:08:02 »
Oh, great! The went with the hot looking one.  :o

Do you have any Brit blood in you?  Sounds like you might have an upper class predilection for Head Mistresses and canes.  Please Ma'am, can I have another one?

You have to give the Tories their due.  A few millennia of practice and they know how to efficiently stage a blood bath.  Two weeks and all done. 

Meanwhile the Socialists are still debating who will hold the knife.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #230 on: July 12, 2016, 00:16:32 »
Do you have any Brit blood in you?  Sounds like you might have an upper class predilection for Head Mistresses and canes.  Please Ma'am, can I have another one?

You have to give the Tories their due.  A few millennia of practice and they know how to efficiently stage a blood bath.  Two weeks and all done. 

Meanwhile the Socialists are still debating who will hold the knife.
Socialists never could find their *** with both hands.  That's why they want everyone else to be productive.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #231 on: July 12, 2016, 10:45:45 »
Do you have any Brit blood in you?  Sounds like you might have an upper class predilection for Head Mistresses and canes.  Please Ma'am, can I have another one?

You have to give the Tories their due.  A few millennia of practice and they know how to efficiently stage a blood bath.  Two weeks and all done. 

Meanwhile the Socialists are still debating who will hold the knife.

She passed the test:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNn-6FzTimY
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #232 on: July 12, 2016, 19:43:49 »
I have Scots and Irish blood going back 2 generations.

That same blood may have been tainted with alcohol during that last post.  ;D
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #233 on: July 12, 2016, 21:09:38 »
I've got two DNA kits sitting on my desk from two different organizations. I'm going to find out once and for all where my family came from.

Just gotta wait until I'm sure there isn't going to be a postal strike. I don't want my completed kits sitting in some post office somewhere deteriorating. ^-^
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #234 on: July 12, 2016, 21:53:24 »
Before you send pay for it and send them off, might want to give this a listen.

http://www.radiolab.org/story/91654-race-doesnt-exist-or-does-it/

Seems the results may not be as meaningful as some purport.

For instance, the "European" race from a genetic standpoint covers such a broad spectrum that you would be hard pressed to find someone in the entire global population who doesn't fall into the category.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #235 on: July 12, 2016, 22:02:24 »
I've got two DNA kits sitting on my desk from two different organizations. I'm going to find out once and for all where my family came from.

Just gotta wait until I'm sure there isn't going to be a postal strike. I don't want my completed kits sitting in some post office somewhere deteriorating. ^-^

On a side note, there is some concern about these tests.  I did a stint at the office of the privacy commissioner and it is something I would advise against for the time being.   Canada has very limited laws in protecting people and their privacy in regards to their genetic information.  Things like insurance, employment etc.  And it could have an effect on on your kids and grandkids.   

This is a quick article on the issues it could pose. http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/home-dna-tests-may-affect-insurance-employment-1.3018086

When I was at OPC it was a subject being looked into.  Just food for thought. 

Edit to add: some stuff from OPC worth a read.  https://www.priv.gc.ca/search/?rc=1&q=Genealogical+&cn-search-submit=Search
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #236 on: July 13, 2016, 15:04:30 »
Boris Johnson is Theresa May's Foreign Secretary.

I actually laughed when I heard that on CBC radio just now.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #237 on: July 13, 2016, 15:29:59 »
I've got two DNA kits sitting on my desk from two different organizations ...
Careful, now, who they go to  ;D
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #238 on: July 13, 2016, 15:39:12 »
Isn't there a tradition of having a general election when the PM changes under these circumstances?
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #239 on: July 13, 2016, 16:11:22 »
There is no such tradition and no precedent.

In addition, the UK went to five year fixed terms in any event.

In some senses the Tories might enjoy an election now given the state of the Labour party

Personally I perceive a major problem in the ongoing rise of party politics.  It becomes increasingly apparent that there are major problems when the extra-parliamentary party and the parliamentary party are not in sync.

UK Labour is experiencing it.  UK Conservatives have papered over the cracks for few more years (maybe).  And here in Canada the Liberals have adopted the Justin Movement format (much like the Corbyn format) and the CPC narrowly avoided the same fate at their last convention.

Parties will be the death of parliamentary democracy.  They act against a system based on a local constituency representative who works on behalf of all his electors.  A consideration when thinking about doing something other than First Past The Post.



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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #240 on: July 13, 2016, 16:18:10 »
Which is why most Canadians vote against change.  We like voting for someone who will actually (even if only in theory) represent our concerns in the national legislature.  We don't like the concept of voting and then having a collection of party hacks fill in the blanks.

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #241 on: July 13, 2016, 16:25:56 »
... Parties will be the death of parliamentary democracy.  They act against a system based on a local constituency representative who works on behalf of all his electors ...
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #242 on: July 13, 2016, 16:27:39 »
We don't like the concept of voting and then having a collection of party hacks fill in the blanks.
This is exactly what the fans of PR don't seem to get...  :brickwall:

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #243 on: July 13, 2016, 16:31:23 »
So if we go by Trudeau's plan, can you not just put the single person you want in all three slots, or leave the other two slots empty?
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #244 on: July 15, 2016, 02:36:44 »
And back to Brexit:

Quentin Letts of the Mail has it about right.  Shakespeare perturbed at not writing this script.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3691290/QUENTIN-LETTS-Treachery-plots-sudden-twists-fate-Shakespeare-s-got-Westminster.html

And why do the words "A Very British Coup" keep bumping around my brain?


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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #245 on: July 15, 2016, 08:09:46 »
That's a great piece!!!

If there was one country that could successfully pull off a EUxit, it's the UK.  They may take a short-term hit, but I believe that time will out the truth of the issue that, like the motto of the fabled SAS, those who dare, will 'win' in the end.  At least the citizens of the UK will have their fate determine both by their own actions and those whom they have elected, not some unelected faceless Eurocrats operating in the dark shadows of the political back alleys of Brussels...oh, and for four days a year, Strabourg.

I sincerely wish UK citizens all the best; they will, I believe, be much envied in the years to come by many of those remaining within the contorted, highly over-regulated life that is the EU. :nod:

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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #246 on: July 15, 2016, 11:27:15 »
The choice of Mr Johnson as Foreign Secretary was predictable. It certainly says much about how Mrs May intends to proceed.
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Re: Brexit Vote: 51.9% leave, 48.1% stay
« Reply #247 on: July 16, 2016, 00:45:36 »
The choice of Mr Johnson as Foreign Secretary was predictable. It certainly says much about how Mrs May intends to proceed.

You must have a better crystal ball than most Mike.

Meanwhile - these articles from Der Spiegel demonstrate how thick, and tone deaf the Eurocrats are.  This could just as easily be in the "Why Europe Keeps Failing" thread.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/stimulus-is-needed-to-prevent-downturn-after-brexit-a-1099769.html#js-article-comments-box-pager

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This is best done in cooperation with the British, with their reputation of pragmatism. Otherwise, the ridiculous decision by a small majority of the Queen's voting subjects could soon mean that a lot of people will lose their jobs again in Germany and in other countries.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/commission-has-long-known-of-diesel-emissions-manipulation-a-1103249.html

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Since at least 2010, the European Commission has been in possession of concrete evidence that automobile manufacturers were cheating on emissions values of diesel vehicles, according to a number of internal documents that SPIEGEL ONLINE has obtained. The papers show that emissions cheating had been under discussion for years both within the Commission and the EU member state governments. The documents also show that the German government was informed of a 2012 meeting on the issue. The scandal first hit the headlines in 2015 when it became known that Volkswagen had manipulated the emissions of its diesel vehicles.

Evidence based decision making indeed.

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