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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #175 on: August 22, 2019, 22:19:21 »
And they though the UK treated them badly for sending money to an ISIS member ...

Maybe if they came across a pile of bones and some rotting toys they might re-evaluate defending their sons choices.
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #176 on: August 22, 2019, 22:22:16 »
I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the left wingers who think he's "misunderstood" etc....

Your ears are excellent then. I've yet to see or hear anyone coming to his defense. I'm not saying they're out there; inevitably there will be a few- just please don't presnt it as if that is a broadly held or accepted view from what you would lump as 'the left'.

... or the father's for that matter.

Oh my, just caught this, too ...
"Father of accused ISIL member Jack Letts challenges Andrew Scheer to a debate on son's fate"

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The father's a Canadian citizen. Given his propensity for running to the media, had his passport been revoked I'm sure we'd have heard of it. Though maybe in a bit of hilarity he's been added to a no fly list? Not sure. But in any case it's quite likely he'd be able to come back to Canada. His mother, providing she's not a citizenship, has been convicted of an offense that should make her inadmissible to Canada.
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #177 on: August 23, 2019, 13:56:49 »
Another nudge from our southern neighbours
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U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo today pointedly called on Canada to repatriate Canadian citizens who joined ISIS and are now detained in Syria.
 
"We want every country to take their citizens back. That's step one. It's imperative that they do so," said Pompeo in an interview with CBC News Network's Power & Politics. "Each country needs to take responsibility for their own citizens that travelled to Syria and fought as terrorists.

 
"We've been clear with the Canadian government. We want them to take their people back."
 
The top U.S. diplomat's remarks came one day after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened to release captured ISIS fighters into Europe.
 
"We're holding thousands of ISIS fighters right now. And Europe has to take them. And if Europe doesn't take them, I'll have no choice but to release them into the countries from which they came. Which is Germany and France and other places," said Trump.
 
Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said Tuesday on Power & Politics that the federal government will ensure that the law is applied, but Canada is not legally obliged to facilitate the return of Jack Letts, a captured Canadian citizen accused of joining ISIS.
 
Goodale said that the Canadian government's first obligation is to national security and the safety of Canadians ...
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #178 on: August 23, 2019, 14:08:45 »
This is getting interesting.

All of these people are going to be disposed of somehow, unless they are to remain exactly where they are, as they are.  There will be degrees of active and passive responsibility on the parts of the nations involved.  I foresee a lot of hand-washing.

The "Canada must accept responsibility for its citizens" crowd is a little bit quiet on this matter.  Maybe if the people were all transferred to Gitmo first it would move things along?
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #179 on: August 23, 2019, 14:33:37 »
… Maybe if the people were all transferred to Gitmo first it would move things along?
If the U.S. wants foreigners to end up back in their own foreign lands, this isn't likely, but it would sure make the debate more … brisk :)
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #180 on: August 23, 2019, 16:19:47 »
So Secretary Pompeo has stated:

"Each country needs to take responsibility for their own citizens that travelled to Syria and fought as terrorists. (...) We've been clear with the Canadian government. We want them to take their people back."

Does this mean that, in the case of Jihady Jack, the US will pressure the UK into doing the right thing and take responsibility? After all, under his circumstances, it is difficult to pretend that he travelled to Syria as a "Canadian" citizen rather than as a British one. Similarly, how can you claim that Canada should take  back someone who never left (or even ever resided in) Canada. In fact, since he has never set foot in Canada for more than perhaps a quick family trip in his youth, The U.K., from which he left to jihad, not Canada, is the only country that could have stopped him from travelling to Syria.

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #181 on: August 23, 2019, 16:35:00 »
So Secretary Pompeo has stated:

"Each country needs to take responsibility for their own citizens that travelled to Syria and fought as terrorists. (...) We've been clear with the Canadian government. We want them to take their people back."

Does this mean that, in the case of Jihady Jack, the US will pressure the UK into doing the right thing and take responsibility? After all, under his circumstances, it is difficult to pretend that he travelled to Syria as a "Canadian" citizen rather than as a British one. Similarly, how can you claim that Canada should take  back someone who never left (or even ever resided in) Canada. In fact, since he has never set foot in Canada for more than perhaps a quick family trip in his youth, The U.K., from which he left to jihad, not Canada, is the only country that could have stopped him from travelling to Syria.
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #182 on: August 23, 2019, 18:43:01 »
... how can you claim that Canada should take  back someone who never left (or even ever resided in) Canada. In fact, since he has never set foot in Canada for more than perhaps a quick family trip in his youth, The U.K., from which he left to jihad, not Canada, is the only country that could have stopped him from travelling to Syria.
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #183 on: August 24, 2019, 17:09:16 »
UN refugee camp not much fun eh ?

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #184 on: August 24, 2019, 18:08:17 »
UN refugee camp not much fun eh ?

He's in a Kurdish prison. I hope he gets a nice long sentence so he can stay there for a few decades to think about whether he's a fan of "sharia" or not anymore.

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #185 on: August 24, 2019, 22:01:15 »
He's in a Kurdish prison. I hope he gets a nice long sentence so he can stay there for a few decades to think about whether he's a fan of "sharia" or not anymore.

I bet he’s a catcher.....
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #186 on: August 24, 2019, 22:10:34 »
He's in a Kurdish prison. I hope he gets a nice long sentence so he can stay there for a few decades to think about whether he's a fan of "sharia" or not anymore.

He won’t be in a Kurdish prison for decades, that isn’t an option, which is part of the problem. The stated US policy is to reduce/eliminate support for Kurdish forces in Syria, and as a result they are thinning out, and things like running a prison system aren’t in the budget. A smooth handover of their prisons to the Assad Regime isn’t in the cards, Iraq also isn’t interested, and the YPG aren’t going to simply shoot all their prisoners. We are still grasping for a solution for prisoner handling, both in this and the next few insurgencies, and we are wallpapering over that fundamental gap in capability. Gitmo was flawed, but it was multinational and supported multiple theatres, and trying to retire it without a replacement capability was a mistake.

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #187 on: August 24, 2019, 22:10:55 »
At least one US citizen turned bedroom jihadist comfort woman has been denied entry back into the US. To use an old saying " made your bed now lay in it ."

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #188 on: August 25, 2019, 00:08:54 »
At least one US citizen turned bedroom jihadist comfort woman has been denied entry back into the US. To use an old saying " made your bed now lay in it ."


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"Each country needs to take responsibility for their own citizens that travelled to Syria and fought as terrorists. (...) We've been clear with the Canadian government. We want them to take their people back."
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #189 on: September 03, 2019, 14:08:38 »
At least one US citizen turned bedroom jihadist comfort woman has been denied entry back into the US. To use an old saying " made your bed now lay in it ."
... in addition to some others nabbed & charged after being returned by the Kurds:

Meanwhile, while they're waiting ...
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In the desert camp in northeastern Syria where tens of thousands of Islamic State fighters’ wives and children have been trapped for months in miserable conditions with no prospects of leaving, ISIS sympathizers regularly torch the tents of women deemed infidels.

Fights between camp residents have brought smuggled guns into the open, and some women have attacked or threatened others with knives and hammers. Twice, in June and July, women stabbed the Kurdish guards who were escorting them, sending the camp into lockdown.

Virtually all women wear the niqab, the full-length black veil demanded by ISIS’s rigid interpretation of Islam — some because they still adhere to the group’s ideology, others because they fear running afoul of the true believers.

The Kurdish-run Al Hol camp is struggling to secure and serve nearly 70,000 displaced people, mainly women and children who fled there during the last battle to oust the Islamic State from eastern Syria. Filled with women stripped of hope and children who regularly die before receiving medical care, it has become what aid workers, researchers and American military officials warn is a disaster in the making ...
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #190 on: September 04, 2019, 13:06:05 »
Sounds like hell on earth for the living  :( 
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #191 on: September 04, 2019, 16:05:55 »
Sounds like hell on earth for the living  :(
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #192 on: September 05, 2019, 09:57:44 »
Some'll say "play with the bull, expect some horn," while others'll say, "good place to create more of these guys, especially if they can buy their way out to do bad crap elsewhere."  #FarFromEasySolutions

If we could only ask the dead that were killed by these people, or their husbands/sons/brothers/fathers, if they'd be willing to trade places with them....

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #193 on: Yesterday at 20:21:27 »
This from the U.S. ...
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U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday renewed threats to dump captured Islamic State fighters on Europe's doorstep if countries there continue to refuse to take back all their foreign fighters.
 
Trump said he was continuing with plans to draw down forces in Syria, saying the U.S. had done the world a big favor by eliminating the terror group's self-declared caliphate and that it was time for other countries to step up.
 
"We're asking them to take back these prisoners of war," Trump told reporters during a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison in the Oval Office at the White House.
 
"They've refused," he added. "And at some point I'm going to have to say, 'I'm sorry, but you're either taking them back or we're going to let them go at your border.' " ...
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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #194 on: Yesterday at 20:39:09 »
This from the U.S. ...

As usual one has simplistic ideas coming from this man. Firstly they aren't Prisoners of War since they were never lawful combatants of a specific nation that is a party to the hostilities. Lawful combatants are entitled to return to the country that essentially recruited and controlled them during the hostilities. That doesn't exist here.

These are, at best, vagabond mercenaries that did not fight for a country but for an ideology and as such are criminals within the country where their crimes took place. Quite frankly Syria or Iraq are the countries with the greatest interest and legal status to try and punish these folks. That's a different problem, however. To try to foist this off on European nations just because these morons were born there or lived there for a while is irrational.

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Re: More Canadian ISIS "terror travellers" ID'ed
« Reply #195 on: Yesterday at 20:42:23 »
... To try to foist this off on European nations just because these morons were born there or lived there for a while is irrational.
Not just on European nations, let's not forget ...
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