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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #150 on: September 26, 2019, 20:49:28 »
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

latest poll aggregate from Eric Grenier.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #151 on: September 26, 2019, 21:03:01 »
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

latest poll aggregate from Eric Grenier.

This election makes no sense...

Nanos' results today from the 905 area (Toronto suburbs) must have panic setting in in some circles; one does not drop over 7% in a week, go from a comfortable lead to a dead heat, and not FREAK OUT!
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #152 on: September 26, 2019, 21:45:36 »
If anyone has any doubts about the influence of the anti-gun lobby and the Liberal end game on gun control, pay very close attention to the imagery in this Liberal campaign video.  Except for the Uzi at 0:19, which appears to be in the hands of a European police officer, those aren't illegal guns, and those people - including Conservative leader Andrew Scheer and Conservative candidate Michele Rempel -  aren't gang bangers.  Totally dishonest, if you ask me.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #153 on: September 27, 2019, 07:55:58 »
If anyone has any doubts about the influence of the anti-gun lobby and the Liberal end game on gun control, pay very close attention to the imagery in this Liberal campaign video.  Except for the Uzi at 0:19, which appears to be in the hands of a European police officer, those aren't illegal guns, and those people - including Conservative candidate Michele Rempel -  aren't gang bangers.  Totally dishonest, if you ask me.

If you go and read the comments (yes, some of us are do) and just about everyone is against the video.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #154 on: September 27, 2019, 08:49:31 »
If you go and read the comments (yes, some of us do) and just about everyone is against the video.
  Comments notwithstanding, the Liberal message is out there.  All guns are bad and we're coming for them.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #155 on: September 27, 2019, 09:52:37 »
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #156 on: September 27, 2019, 10:21:35 »
The CCFR just received 3rd party status. They have a big announcement today.
  I believe the CCFR has had third party status for quite a while.  CSSA has recently registered as a result of a Liberal candidate's complaint against their PSA protecting gun ownership.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #157 on: September 27, 2019, 12:19:47 »
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #158 on: September 27, 2019, 22:30:47 »
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #159 on: September 28, 2019, 10:43:57 »
At what point does political commentary become libel?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-attacks-conservative-candidate-1.5297446

Par for course. In this case a reporter for a right-leaning think tank was refused access  access to public rallies and refused to give a reason.

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'You've got to go': Liberals apologize to conservative broadcaster banned from public rally

'They wouldn't even recognize me as a Canadian citizen wanting to hear a prime minister speak at an event,' Andrew Lawton said

Stuart Thomson   September 26, 2019 8:23 PM EDT

The Liberal Party has apologized to a journalist who was booted from one of Justin Trudeau’s public rallies in Thunder Bay, Ont., on Wednesday.

Andrew Lawton, a conservative broadcaster who has worked in journalism since 2013, says despite the apology he’s still fighting to get access to the kind of media events the party has barred him from this week, and he’s at a loss to explain why he’s been targeted.

“I actually take a great deal of pride in my career, that I have the relationships I do with people of all parties. I’m not someone who does stunts, I’m not someone who disrupts events. I’m not someone who protests. I like to have an honest dialogue,” said Lawton.

For five years, he hosted the Andrew Lawton show in London, Ont., ending in 2018 and was a columnist for Global News.

    To summarize: I'm still fighting for access to press conferences and media events. The difference now is that I'm not at risk of being arrested for attending public rallies.
    — Andrew Lawton (@AndrewLawton) September 26, 2019

Lawton says the True North Centre, a right-leaning think tank and journalism outlet where he is a fellow, even raised thousands of dollars for him to join the Liberal campaign on the media bus, but the party turned him away on Sunday when he tried to join the  tour.

On Monday, he was unable to get details of a Trudeau press event in Niagara Falls, so he tried to follow the bus to the venue. He was soon pulled over by a police officer who questioned him for about 15 minutes and who said he didn’t think Lawton was doing anything illegal, Lawton said.

On Tuesday, he was barred from a Trudeau policy announcement in Burnaby, B.C. and told that he was not an “accredited” journalist. After being turned away from Trudeau’s event, Lawton said the New Democratic Party happily admitted him to their party’s event nearby, where he was able to quiz leader Jagmeet Singh.

Lawton then hopped on a plane to Thunder Bay where he planned to cover Trudeau’s public rally on Wednesday night. He filled in an RSVP form and stood in line for about an hour before a campaign worker approached him, took his photograph and then showed it to the police officers in attendance. The officers promptly asked him to leave the venue. Lawton asked the officers why he was being removed and they said they didn’t know. The Liberals also gave him no answers.

“They wouldn’t even recognize me as a Canadian citizen wanting to hear a prime minister speak at an event,” said Lawton. “They didn’t say, ‘We’re worried you’re going to disrupt it.’ They didn’t say there’s a security concern. They just said, ‘You’ve got to go’.”

    This has nothing to do with media credentials or accreditation. This was an ejection from a public rally. Not even a townhall where there was a risk I could *gasp* ask a question. What do the Liberals find so scary about me?
    — Andrew Lawton (@AndrewLawton) September 25, 2019

Lawton said he wasn’t sure whether he was personally being targeted or if the Liberal Party had a problem with the True North Centre.

The think tank and news outlet, which is a registered charity, has been described by founder Candice Malcolm as “a cross between the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and the Fraser Institute but for national security and immigration.” It’s designed to bring a right wing perspective to those issues and Lawton identifies himself as a conservative. He emphasizes that he’s “small c conservative,” not a partisan, although he did run for the Ontario Progressive Conservatives in the 2018 election. During that race, Lawton had to apologize for offensive comments he had made in the past.

Lawton has been barred from three Liberal news conferences, in Burnaby, Brampton and Hamilton, with little explanation other than he wasn’t “accredited.” Lawton says he watched two people approach a campaign worker and get admitted on the spot in Burnaby and he’s struggled to get an explanation of what “accredited” means, when there’s no formal process for Canadian journalists.

Many journalists who cover the government in Ottawa are part of the parliamentary press gallery, but that’s not required for election campaign events and local media and foreign media have covered events featuring all the major parties.

From his discussions with Liberal campaign staff, Lawton said he think “they don’t really have a working definition” for media accreditation.

“So my position is that they’re making it up on the spot,” he said.

    Chris Selley: The Liberal campaign trail is a place for absurdities, but not much else

Lawton acknowledges that the Liberal Party has the right to remove anyone they like for the events, but the idea that they would remove a journalist and bar him from press conferences worries him.

“There is a leadership by example question here, specifically with this government, who, back during Stephen Harper’s time was priding itself on being the party that would be open to the press, and would allow all reporters to come and ask the tough questions,” said Lawton.

“And it’s also the party that was thumping its chest years ago, and saying that it doesn’t kick people out of rallies for not being supporters. And, you know, there’s a hypocrisy in what they’ve done,” he said.

Perhaps the most baffling thing to Lawton is that he’s asked Trudeau questions at a press conference before. On Wednesday, he posted a two-year-old photo of himself and Trudeau posing for a photo together after a media event.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #160 on: September 28, 2019, 18:58:46 »
Par for course. In this case a reporter for a right-leaning think tank was refused access  access to public rallies and refused to give a reason.


I feel like the part where police asked him to leave without a reason shouldnt of happened. Police should in my opinion demand a credible reason as to why they have to remove a person who is standing in line. The fact the liberals are banning right leaning journalists just shows they arent as pen and transparent as they have lied abou....i mean told the public.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #161 on: September 28, 2019, 22:09:28 »
Should we really be concerned about the promises he keeps making? After all, he hasn't really kept any from the last four years, has he?

Except his gun confiscation, that one is doable. And at the risk of ridicule and derision, it's the next step in the move to socialism. An armed society cannot be controlled by dishonest politicians who seek to control every aspect of our lives.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #162 on: September 28, 2019, 23:33:48 »
Trudeau didn't just paint his face black. He went all out and wore a wig and painted his legs black. So much for the just an innocent mistake of poor judgement at an Arabian Nights party.

https://twitter.com/seanmurphy_ott/status/1178014656037883905/video/1

Gotta respect that kind of attention to detail.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #163 on: September 29, 2019, 19:46:24 »
Latest poll tracker has the LPC regaining some ground.

Not enough to get back to majority territory but enough for a minority. 

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #164 on: September 29, 2019, 20:45:06 »
Should we really be concerned about the promises he keeps making? After all, he hasn't really kept any from the last four years, has he?

Actually, he's kept over half....

https://trudeaumetre.polimeter.org/

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/a-look-at-policy-areas-scrutinized-by-a-new-book-on-the-trudeau-government

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #165 on: September 30, 2019, 08:15:04 »
Really?  Are you sure that's true? 
Objective truth is meaningless to some people.


From CBC Radio, "Make debate great again: How bad political argument is undermining democracy":
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These depictions signal that the people on the other side "aren't even worth listening to, because the views that they have are so 'extreme and crazy,' there couldn't be any profitable reasoning with them."
There are  people I find not worth listening to;  I accept that it makes me part of the problem.  To 'extreme and crazy' however, I would add those who openly embrace compulsive lying.  The only way they can apparently make their case is through lies, deceit, and misdirection -- merely being repetitive doesn't magically change it into truth.

And it's not getting better, as "debates simultaneously are becoming both shrill and tone deaf."    :not-again:

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #166 on: September 30, 2019, 16:07:45 »
This from the just released Liberal Platform will make me vote Liberal in this election.  This is something ALL party's should be doing in my opinion.


The Liberals care so much they waited until 19 days before the election to unveil this, after being in office for 4 years   ::)
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #167 on: September 30, 2019, 17:29:02 »
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #168 on: September 30, 2019, 17:46:30 »
This, if true, could spell the end of the Conservative election chances.  Team Trudeau will latch onto this like a starving pitbull and run hard with it.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #169 on: September 30, 2019, 17:58:25 »
This, if true, could spell the end of the Conservative election chances.  Team Trudeau will latch onto this like a starving pitbull and run hard with it.

Was a bad day for him today.  Between that and the kerfufle with a rebel media type Scheer is back on the defensive.

And yes you are right.  The CPC constantly hit Trudeau as not as advertised, focused on his snowboard instructor and teacher experience.  This puts egg on their face.  Scheer has been trying to show that he is not just a career politician and had real world experience.

Hard to hit Trudeau on the work experience front when Scheer appears to have even less.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #170 on: September 30, 2019, 20:22:21 »
If Canadians don't care about one guy dancing around with his face painted black about two decades ago, they certainly won't care about another guy claiming to have been an insurance salesman.... :rofl:
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« Reply #171 on: September 30, 2019, 20:46:17 »
If Canadians don't care about one guy dancing around with his face painted black about two decades ago, they certainly won't care about another guy claiming to have been an insurance salesman.... :rofl:

Sheer’s got the trick though- if you’re gonna Walt, Walt small.
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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #172 on: September 30, 2019, 20:47:55 »
Interesting piece at Macleans about the urban / rural divide, looking at Conservative / Liberal parties, using population density of ridings as a rural / urban proxy.

TL;DR: The fifty ridings with the most dense populations are all projected Liberal or NDP; at the other end of the spectrum, the leaning is heavily conservative.

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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #173 on: September 30, 2019, 20:54:41 »
If Canadians don't care about one guy dancing around with his face painted black about two decades ago, they certainly won't care about another guy claiming to have been an insurance salesman.... :rofl:

I really don't care about Trudeau's black face issues years ago because even though I think it was stupid, I don't think anyone things he is/was a racist.  I know of other people who did that back then an it wasn't an issue.  Scheer on the other hand may have broken a law which is a big deal to me, especially because he kept the lie going.


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Re: General Election: Oct 21, 2019
« Reply #174 on: September 30, 2019, 21:23:44 »
I really don't care about Trudeau's black face issues years ago because even though I think it was stupid, I don't think anyone things he is/was a racist.  I know of other people who did that back then an it wasn't an issue.  Scheer on the other hand may have broken a law which is a big deal to me, especially because he kept the lie going.

Since you seem to be prepared to give Trudeau a bye on multiple acts of racist dress up, the Norman affair, the SNC Lavalin affair, multiple instances of lying and promising to put in place multiple years of $20 billion deficits, you'll have to excuse me if I get a bit technical here.

The Saskatchewan Insurance Act provides that:

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419(1) No agent shall engage in the insurance brokerage business or hold himself
out as an insurance broker
unless he is specifically authorized by his licence to
engage in the insurance brokerage business.

The purpose of the Act is to protect the public from unauthorized individuals acting or representing themselves as brokers in their dealing with clients/the public. There have been no allegations by anyone that he acted as a broker or held himself out as a broker while employed in that business. My understanding is that at the time he worked as an employee of a properly authorized broker for a short period of time.

Adding the statement that you were once a broker, to a political resume is not holding yourself out as a "current broker". If the allegation is true it's, as previously indicated, a walting but not a criminal offence. It's not right for him to have done that but it doesn't rise above a low level of aggrandisement and falls far below what Trudeau has and is doing (Can't recall how many times I did blackface - yeah, right).

We all tend to give a bit more leeway to the guy that represents the party we want in power but in this case it seems to me that congratulations are in order to the LPC for having convinced at least one voter buy into the slight-of-hand shell game they are running here to deflect from their boy's gross shortcomings.

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