Author Topic: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]  (Read 295452 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Buck_HRA

    .

  • Directing Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • 28,780
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 688
    • CAF - Find a Recruiter
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #575 on: March 05, 2018, 09:27:44 »
if I were applying to the Branch today, I would not even be considered with my BA in History (back when I entered, it was considered an "acceptable" albeit not "preferred" degree, but now it is not even "acceptable).

You'd be "acceptable" again; February 2017 the entry standard for LogO was updated (again) to include "any baccalaureate and and or Master's Degree" is acceptable for LogO again... :-)

Offline Buck_HRA

    .

  • Directing Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • 28,780
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 688
    • CAF - Find a Recruiter
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #576 on: March 05, 2018, 09:40:32 »
An interesting thought came to mind.

In the eyes of the military, what would be the core difference between a bachelor's degree (A B.Comm, for example) obtained at a college (such as Sheridan or Centennial), and a degree in the same subject obtained at a university?

Some Canadian Colleges do offer Baccalaureate degree's; those degree's are given the same recognition as a degree obtained from a Canadian University.  The CAF is not responsible for determining whether an Institutions training meets Academic Requirements; there are other Legislative Bodies that determine that.

The only thing the CAF is concerned with is whether you have the appropriate diploma and/or degree to enter a specific occupation.

Offline dapaterson

    Mostly Harmless.

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Myth
  • *
  • 465,220
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 16,847
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #577 on: March 05, 2018, 09:51:47 »
The senior serving logistician in the CAF was equally unsuited for Logistics; I believe he had a hand in sorting that out.
This posting made in accordance with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, section 2(b):
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication
http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/1.html

Offline Pusser

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 88,230
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2,870
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #578 on: March 05, 2018, 10:26:51 »
The senior serving logistician in the CAF was equally unsuited for Logistics; I believe he had a hand in sorting that out.

This is good to hear.  As I understand it, a previous LBI was the one who drove the change and it got through, despite the fact that there were a fair number of very senior logisticians who were as equally unsuitable as me (including a rear-admiral).
Sure, apes read Nietzsche.  They just don't understand it.

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 253,720
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 14,081
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #579 on: March 05, 2018, 11:33:43 »
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline BagPiperGuy

  • Guest
  • *
  • 40
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #580 on: March 12, 2018, 13:51:15 »
Good day all

If this is in the wrong forum topic I apologize in advance (This is my first post on the website) I recently applied to the Canadian Forces but I was not eligible for the trade I wished to train in because I have not completed high-school completely (I need less then 10 Credits). Now I was offered other trades, some of which have peeked my interested, but this whole posses has made me think about completing my high school for good. What I am here asking is if I select another trade if once my training is complete and I am stationed if there is a fair amount of free time when off shift/duty to work on my post secondary education, either online or day/night school.

My original first choice of a trade in the CF was Firefighting or Medical Technician, But the other trades I am looking at are (In Order) Combat Engineer, Communication and Information System Specialist, Aviation System Technician or Armored Crewman.

I am just looking for some members who could share there experiences and if they feel it is possible to be a full time member and work on post secondary education, it has sort of become a personal goal of mine to finish it. Or if you feel I should finish it before and then complete my application.

I appreciate any help or advice and thank you for your time!

J.

Offline PuckChaser

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 923,775
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,211
    • Peacekeeper's Homepage
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #581 on: March 12, 2018, 14:02:28 »
You'll have time to complete your high school, it will even be encouraged by your chain of command. Don't expect time right away as you'll be busy on BMQ and your initial trade training.

Offline Blahbla

  • Guest
  • *
  • 20
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #582 on: June 04, 2018, 18:52:54 »
I'm having some MAJOR doubts if my educational background will pass the requirements. I currently do not have enough credits to have completed grade 10. I do, however, have a college diploma for a 2 year program. Anyone know how that will work for me? I have submitted my CAF application and have my appointment for the aptitude test. Will my college diploma be considered? That is the highest level of education I have completed.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2018, 19:49:22 by Blahbla »

Offline Buck_HRA

    .

  • Directing Staff
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • 28,780
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 688
    • CAF - Find a Recruiter
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #583 on: June 12, 2018, 08:51:25 »
Unless there's a PSO hiding on here somewhere that question won't be answered.
Recruiters aren't "qualified" to give that advice and it'll be passed off to a Personnel Selections Officer (PSO).  Each CFRC has a PSO (called a UPSO); your file will be passed to them to make the determination as they'll have to review your college degree to make that determination.

Sorry I couldn't give you a more concrete answer.

Offline Ricky Sunnyvale

  • Guest
  • *
  • 60
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 2
Will not having a high school diploma limit your success in the army
« Reply #584 on: July 24, 2018, 16:44:21 »
I’m about to start grade 12 but I don’t really enjoy school but plan on joining the army, my question is will dropping effect my successes, will my pay be lower, will I not be eligible for higher ranking jobs and will those jobs be harder to get?

Offline mariomike

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 516,905
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 9,667
    • The job.
I’m about to start grade 12 but I don’t really enjoy school but plan on joining the army, my question is will dropping effect my successes, will my pay be lower, will I not be eligible for higher ranking jobs and will those jobs be harder to get?

See also,

Will graduating high school help me.

Offline scorr1982

  • Guest
  • *
  • 340
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 5
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #586 on: November 25, 2018, 18:18:32 »
Hello all, I have a situation. I am currently in the application process for reserve ACISS, ( applied, force passed, cfat passed for all trades applied for, medical passed, interview complete). I didnt have my high school transcripts on the day of document processing so they said to get them and send them in. I'm 36 and it's been 20 or so years since grade 10. When I got my transcripts I realized I hadn't  complete grade 10. I have 5 courses complete from grade 10 and have English 12 and applied skills 11. So I send in my info into the recruiter and am awaiting their response. The list of education I have is :
-MTL 10 , capps 10, wt 10 chef 11, applied skills 11, English 12
-From university (as mature student status)
I have sociology 100, English 100, and anthropology 121
-Im a red seal electrician so have all 4 levels of electrical schooling complete as well as the interprovincial exam passed
-Steamfitting level 1 complete

Does anyone here have any insight into what they think will be their response ?

Offline scorr1982

  • Guest
  • *
  • 340
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 5
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #587 on: November 25, 2018, 18:25:13 »
Did you ever get an answer ?

Offline marekbjj

  • Guest
  • *
  • 290
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8
Re: Marks / Grades: School / GED or PLAR [MERGED]
« Reply #588 on: October 15, 2019, 21:25:45 »

To answer your question, the minimum education requirement for entry into the CF is completion of grade 10.  You mentioned that you finished half of your grade 10 year and that later you got a bump up to do some grade 11 courses.  Did you complete any of those courses?  If so, I would suggest that you may just barely meet the education requirements, which is potentially good news.

...

If they determine that you do not currently meet the minimum education requirements you can appeal that decision and use previous work experience to substantiate your appeal.  You may even be able to write the CFAT test.  If you write the test, and do well enough on the test, and you have half of grade 10 completed, I would think the recruiting center would be very hard pressed to turn you down.

However, if they do declare your education to be too low, even after an appeal, you then have the opportunity to ask them exactly what courses you need in order to rectify the situation.  The solution is then simple.  Take the courses and re-apply and the recruiting center will be extremely enthusiastic about processing your application.

So there you have it.  If you take my advice, I believe you will find yourself with a decent prospect of getting in.  If you do not take this advice and you attempt to fool the recruiting center with your fake diploma, you will fail, and any chance at serving your country will vanish.  Is that what you really want?

I saw this post directed at someone else who posed a question and I was hoping I could get someone to shed some light here for me. There's a part that was slightly vague and wanted some clarification. ltmaverick25 mentioned this gentleman likely just barely meets the minimum requirements and I was hoping someone could speak to that for me.

Some background: I am really wanting to get into ACISS. I'm 33 years old, and I am active (ie. martial arts, free weights, calisthenics). I completed my CFAT 2 years ago, was told I had good score, but because I hadn't stopped smoking cannabis for long enough they asked me to come back in 2018. Second son was born, job was was going ok, fast forward to 2019, I had felt that I had left I stone unturned and decided to reopen my file.

My first real job was a computer technician and I have held multiple positions related to supporting computers. Cumulatively 10 years work experience in IT - mostly computers, and two of those years working with Networks and Servers.

I dropped out of high school. I put in 5 years, but due to medical reasons was having difficulty with going to school. I believe I'm missing grade 10 English, but I honestly cannot remember - I am waiting for the transcript from the Manitoba Student Records. Note: medical issue has been corrected via surgery 8 years ago, my surgeon filled out a form and medical history was submitted to the RC.

After surgery I enrolled in a college program for Network Security. In order to get admitted, my employer at the time had to write a letter confirming that I can take the course as it pertains to my profession. I took a liking to these courses and did well - 3.75 GPA. I tried to get a position with my then employer in networking, but they advised they wanted someone with at least 3 years experience.

After completing my Cisco CCNA Level 4 course in the spring of 2013, I decided to see what University would be like and gave undergraduate studies a shot. I did a semester of full time studies, while working full time, but was unable to continue: financial strain was too great for my small family to continue. I managed to get Intro to Psychology, Web Design & Development, Intro to Kinesiology and Academic Writing: Multidisciplinary, hammered out with a 3.0 GPA.

I have submitted my university and college transcripts, just waiting for my high school transcripts (Taking a bit longer due to an address error, so I opted to fax it to them and will pick it up when ready!)

I stopped by at the local book shop here and picked up a copy of the GED book and have been studying. However I have been looking through the Adult Learning information the the Manitoba Education website there's something in relation to Mature Student credits for previous education and or experience, which really just adds to my confusion. Would that potentially bring me up to the minimum requirement? No, I don't like "just meeting" the minimum requirement, but this is the hand I've got and I'm certainly not complaining.  ;D

With my primary objective being to get in, what should I do? Ie. See if the province will give me credit for my other learning, just do the GED and come back when I have it, just wait til I get the HS transcript and see what the RC says, am I over thinking this?

Thank you so much for reading this novel!