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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #100 on: September 16, 2007, 15:26:41 »
Just goes to show that any sane nation, including ours, does not want 'out of control' regimes with such power.

Iran is definatley on the radar!

If countries such as these ever get nukes, a new and serious danger will emerge.

Scarey thought!


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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #101 on: September 16, 2007, 16:19:21 »
About 6 months ago I read on Jane's Defense site that Iran was
assisting Syria with the construction of 6 chemical warfare facilities.
I was a little surprised that non of the media picked up on this,after
all Jane's is a well respected source,maybe there could be some
connection here?.
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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #102 on: September 16, 2007, 16:53:07 »
Some speculation a few years back that any re-incarnated WMD progam of Saddam's that existed after Gulf War I was driven from Iraq to Syria during Gulf War II.


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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2007, 17:50:47 »
Hmmm.... I would describe this as being "A clear and present danger".
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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #104 on: September 18, 2007, 16:13:25 »
About 6 months ago I read on Jane's Defense site that Iran was
assisting Syria with the construction of 6 chemical warfare facilities.
I was a little surprised that non of the media picked up on this,after
all Jane's is a well respected source,maybe there could be some
connection here?.
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"Proof of cooperation between Iran and Syria in the proliferation and development of weapons of mass destruction was brought to light Monday in a Jane's Magazine report that dozens of Iranian engineers and 15 Syrian officers were killed in a July 23 accident in Syria."
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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #105 on: September 18, 2007, 16:20:36 »
An "accident" eh!
Fancy that, Pitty!
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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #106 on: September 23, 2007, 12:20:36 »
Quite amazing feat for the Israelis to pull off a nuclear burglary prior to taking military action. Would make a great movie I think.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article2512380.ece

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bombed it this month, according to informed sources in Washington and Jerusalem.

The attack was launched with American approval on September 6 after Washington was shown evidence the material was nuclear related, the well-placed sources say.

They confirmed that samples taken from Syria for testing had been identified as North Korean. This raised fears that Syria might have joined North Korea and Iran in seeking to acquire nuclear weapons.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #107 on: September 23, 2007, 12:50:49 »
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Would make a great movie I think.

No Doubt!!

Waiting for a prescription to be filled I read an article in a popular
aviation magazine. I wish I'd spent the 7 bucks now.

The article was about an Iraqi owned 727 used for "humanitarian"
flights to Syria being actually used to smuggle WMD out of Iraq
before the second gulf war started.

Seemed to weird to be credible at the time - I should have been more
open minded.  ;D

This magazine issue was out about 9 months ago (ish).
 

 
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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #108 on: September 29, 2007, 03:04:41 »
Just goes to show that any sane nation, including ours, does not want 'out of control' regimes with such power.

Iran is definatley on the radar!

If countries such as these ever get nukes, a new and serious danger will emerge.

Scarey thought!

Wes

Let's get back to reality.
At this time the regime that is 'out of control' and that has already got nukes illegaly is not Syria or Iran.
It is Israel.

Why don't you put it on your radar?

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #109 on: September 29, 2007, 03:57:41 »
Let's get back to reality.
At this time the regime that is 'out of control' and that has already got nukes illegaly is not Syria or Iran.
It is Israel.

Why don't you put it on your radar?


Do you actually think Israel is 'out of control'? You can't even grasp the true concept of reailty! Ever been to a muslim country?

Are you trolling or just deliberatly stirring the pot for an audience?

Sounds like you're batting for the other side to me.




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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #110 on: September 29, 2007, 04:03:37 »
Do you actually think Israel is 'out of control'?

Exactly.
1. Regular aggressive acts against neighbor countries.
2. Ignoring UN resolutions
3. Illegal acquiring nuclear weapons

This is all real.
Not virtual, as Collin Powel's anthrax or whatever he brought to show at UN security council last time to support the US invasion in Iraq.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #111 on: September 29, 2007, 04:07:06 »
I think you are on the wrong website pal.

Ya, another empty profile. Figures.  ::)

Keep on living in a fantasy world wearing rose coloured glasses, you'll be alright, head in the sand and all.


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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #112 on: September 29, 2007, 12:21:08 »
Flanker!

Simple list with simple thoughts.

Israel is a multicultural, multiethnic, liberal, constitutional democracy.
Not that unlike the one you live in.

Do you want to see it destroyed?

Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Syria all would like to see it and it's people destroyed.
This has been demonstrated.

What great virtue do you ascribe to these others?






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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #113 on: September 29, 2007, 14:48:45 »
This makes for an interesting read. Kind of a recap of what we have already said here.

http://www.tothepointnews.com/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Wednesday, 19 September 2007

One of India's top ranking generals assigned to liaise with the Iranian military recently returned to New Delhi from several days in Tehran - in a state of complete amazement.

"Everyone in the government and military can only talk of one thing," he reports. "No matter who I talked to, all they could do was ask me, over and over again, 'Do you think the Americans will attack us?' 'When will the Americans attack us?' 'Will the Americans attack us in a joint operation with the Israelis?' How massive will the attack be?' on and on, endlessly. The Iranians are in a state of total panic."

And that was before September 6. Since then, it's panic-squared in Tehran. The mullahs are freaking out in fear. Why? Because of the silence in Syria.

On September 6, Israeli Air Force F-15 and F-16s conducted a devastating attack on targets deep inside Syria near the city of Dayr az-Zawr. Israel's military censors have muzzled the Israeli media, enforcing an extraordinary silence about the identity of the targets. Massive speculation in the world press has followed, such as Brett Stephens' Osirak II? in yesterday's (9/18) Wall St. Journal.

Stephens and most everyone else have missed the real story. It is not Israel's silence that "speaks volumes" as he claims, but Syria's. Why would the Syrian government be so tight-lipped about an act of war perpetrated on their soil?

The first half of the answer lies in this story that appeared in the Israeli media last month (8/13): Syria's Antiaircraft System Most Advanced In World. Syria has gone on a profligate buying spree, spending vast sums on Russian systems, "considered the cutting edge in aircraft interception technology."

Syria now "possesses the most crowded antiaircraft system in the world," with "more than 200 antiaircraft batteries of different types," some of which are so new that they have been installed in Syria "before being introduced into Russian operation service."

While you're digesting that, take a look at the map of Syria:



Notice how far away Dayr az-Zawr is from Israel. An F15/16 attack there is not a tiptoe across the border, but a deep, deep penetration of Syrian airspace. And guess what happened with the Russian super-hyper-sophisticated cutting edge antiaircraft missile batteries when that penetration took place on September 6th.

Nothing.

El blanko. Silence. The systems didn't even light up, gave no indication whatever of any detection of enemy aircraft invading Syrian airspace, zip, zero, nada. The Israelis (with a little techie assistance from us) blinded the Russkie antiaircraft systems so completely the Syrians didn't even know they were blinded.

Now you see why the Syrians have been scared speechless. They thought they were protected - at enormous expense - only to discover they are defenseless. As in naked.

Thus the Great Iranian Freak-Out - for this means Iran is just as nakedly defenseless as Syria. I can tell you that there are a lot of folks in the Kirya (IDF headquarters in Tel Aviv) and the Pentagon right now who are really enjoying the mullahs' predicament. Let's face it: scaring the terror masters in Tehran out of their wits is fun.

It's so much fun, in fact, that an attack destroying Iran's nuclear facilities and the Revolutionary Guard command/control centers has been delayed, so that France (under new management) can get in on the fun too.

On Sunday (9/16), Sarkozy's foreign minister Bernard Kouchner announced that "France should prepare for the possibility of war over Iran's nuclear program."

All of this has caused Tehran to respond with maniacal threats. On Monday (9/17), a government website proclaimed that "600 Shihab-3 missiles" will be fired at targets in Israel in response to an attack upon Iran by the US/Israel. This was followed by Iranian deputy air force chief Gen. Mohammad Alavi announcing today (9/19) that "we will attack their (Israeli) territory with our fighter bombers as a response to any attack."

A sure sign of panic is to make a threat that everyone knows is a bluff. So our and Tel Aviv's response to Iranian bluster is a thank-you-for-sharing yawn and a laugh. Few things rattle the mullahs' cages more than a yawn and a laugh.

Yet no matter how much fun this sport with the mullahs is, it is also deadly serious. The pressure build-up on Iran is getting enormous. Something is going to blow and soon. The hope is that the blow-up will be internal, that the regime will implode from within.

But make no mistake: an all-out full regime take-out air assault upon Iran is coming if that hope doesn't materialize within the next 60 to 90 days. The Sept. 6 attack on Syria was the shot across Iran's bow.

So - what was attacked near Dayr az-Zawr? It's possible it was North Korean "nuclear material" recently shipped to Syria, i.e., stuff to make radioactively "dirty" warheads, but nothing to make a real nuke with as the Norks don't have real nukes (see Why North Korea's Nuke Test Is Such Good News, October 2006).

Another possibility is it was to take out a stockpile of long-range Zilzal surface-to-surface missiles recently shipped from Iran for an attack on Israel.

A third is it was a hit on the stockpile of Saddam's chemical/bio weapons snuck out of Iraq and into Syria for safekeeping before the US invasion of April 2003.

But the identity of the target is not the story - for the primary point of the attack was not to destroy that target. It was to shut down Syria's Russian air defense system during the attack. Doing so made the attack an incredible success.

Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #114 on: September 29, 2007, 15:08:33 »
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Syria is shamed and silent. Iran is freaking out in panic. Defenseless enemies are fun.

They wouldn't be so managable now if Saddam were still in business.  ;)

So........ I wonder who will play the lead in the movie?  ;D

Mark Wahlberg?



 



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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #115 on: September 29, 2007, 15:35:04 »
Flanker!

Simple list with simple thoughts.

Israel is a multicultural, multiethnic, liberal, constitutional democracy.
Not that unlike the one you live in.

Do you want to see it destroyed?

Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and Syria all would like to see it and it's people destroyed.
This has been demonstrated.

What great virtue do you ascribe to these others?








Flanker is a troll seeking an audience. He is argumentitve, and controversial pretty much on everything we say, just read his posts. An audience seeker who willl burn out on here sooner than later. He's already given himself enough rope to implode by his own demise.

Ignore him.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2007, 15:41:05 »
Wes,

As usual, I agree with you.

But, I'm trying to perfect my "Simple Arguments For Simple People Method"  ;D





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« Reply #117 on: September 29, 2007, 16:05:24 »
Flanker!

Simple list with simple thoughts.

Israel is a multicultural, multiethnic, liberal, constitutional democracy.

So what?
All this, does not help to justify Israel's aggressions, ignoring UN resolutions and clandestine manufacturing of nuclear weapon.

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Do you want to see it destroyed?

No, I am just wondering why you are blaming Iran or Syria that has not done any thing yet and persistenly close your eyes on Israel who has already done all that.
Why?

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« Reply #118 on: September 29, 2007, 16:13:17 »
Iran and Syria haven't done anything yet!? :rofl:

Read some history.
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« Reply #119 on: September 29, 2007, 16:21:29 »
Iran and Syria haven't done anything yet!? :rofl:

Read some history.

I am still asking the same question.
Syria and Iran have no nuke bombs, Israel has already built them illegaly.
Why are there so much media attention to Syria and Iran and no attention to Israel at all?

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« Reply #120 on: September 29, 2007, 16:22:22 »
Actually, Flanker, there's not much that's "Clandestine" about Israel's nuclear program.  More like an "open secret" that no one denies.

No one in the Levant is innocent, they all have blood on their hands.  Rather than be emotive on the subject, maybe some research will back up your allegations.  Some hints are from one of my previous posts here.

However, your blinders must come off - if you swing the tar brush, everyone who deserves some must get it.  There are no innocents there - trying to accuse someone in the Levant of murder is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

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« Reply #121 on: September 29, 2007, 16:24:19 »
Oh, Flanker, I just saw your last.  Trying to help you out here...

You are not going down a good path.  I suggest that you not be so one-sided if you expect anyone to take you seriously.  Sources, research, documentation and objectivity are your friends if you try to make a point here.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #122 on: September 29, 2007, 18:20:07 »
Six anti-Syrian politicians have been asassinated is it bad luck or Syria trying to destablize Lebanon ? I think its the latter. Where did hizbollah get all the missiles they hit Israel with last year ? Iran by way of Syria. In Gaza we see rocket attacks from there by Iranian rockets. In Iraq we have captured hundreds of Iranian Quds Force agents a senior officer just last week was captured. Iran is supplying weapons and money to both AQ and the pro-Iranian shia militias. You probably dont see a pattern here but I do. Israel struck a target deep inside Syria and curiously there has been no comment by Israel or Syria. No anti-israel outcry from the arab states either which has got to be a first.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #123 on: September 29, 2007, 18:25:08 »
This Flanker is just a troll guys, time to ignore it.

He has his agenda, and thats to stir the pot and get attention. He has had his audience, now its time to phuck him off via frog marching!

I am all for giving a bloke a fair go on here, but his credibility is in the negatives, and he's cut his own throat. Examine his posts, they speak for themselves.

Flanker = waist of band width on here.

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Re: Syria Superthread [merged]
« Reply #124 on: September 29, 2007, 18:26:27 »
No one has stated the obvious.

Israel has never called for or attempted the destruction of
Syria or Iran.

If Israel has nukes it's for self defence.
If Syria or Iran has nukes it's for making trouble.

It's a simple but meaningful distinction.
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