Author Topic: The Running Standards  (Read 9163 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
The Running Standards
« on: May 22, 2006, 11:49:01 »
I know this is an old topic, but I have some new questions.

Firstly, I ran the 2.4km today in 10:29min but I had to slow down to a fast walk in the middle of it for about a minute to be able to catch my breath. Is this allowed or does it have to be a continous run no matter what?

Second, I just quit smoking so it's a little hard to run cardio right now, but I'm working at it. Do any of you know good progressive distances and times? I found 10K under 40 min... but I'd like to be able to build up to that but still allowing myself to breathe somewhat after I run.

(If the first question has been answered before, my apologies, I did try and look for it though)


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline George Wallace

  • Army.ca Fossil
  • *****
  • 436,915
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 31,604
  • Crewman
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2006, 11:54:35 »
The time is the important factor; that and arriving alive.  If you needed the walk to catch your breath, and still made good time, you are doing fine.  I could say, that if you didn't take that 'breather' and passed out because of not doing so, you would not have made the time and perhaps would have become a fatality.  With more work on your running 'pace' you will be better able to control your breathing and not have to break into a walk.  Learn to Pace yourself. 
DISCLAIMER: The opinions and arguments of George Wallace posted on this Site are solely those of George Wallace and not the opinion of Army.ca and are posted for information purposes only.
Unless so stated, they are reflective of my opinion -- and my opinion only, a right that I enjoy along with every other Canadian citizen.

Offline GUNNER2RCR

  • New Member
  • **
  • 50
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 41
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2006, 13:28:29 »
10.29 is a pretty decent time for the 2.4, and with more cardio, you won't need that breather. 10k in under 40 is respectable too. What will really help your running is a route with a couple steep up hill sections, your body learns to appreciate the level parts that much more, so they are easier
Pro Patria

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2006, 15:04:26 »
Thanks for the tips guys... really appreciated.

My only worry right now is the step test, considering that after my run I had barely any breath and I was sweating pretty profusely. Will it be enough training for it if I'm able to run that entire 2.4K on a single run without stopping? I'm not sure about my heart rate or my blood pressure, but I do know that every time I've tested my heart rate after a demanding excersize it's pretty high. I hope running every morning will suffice, and I'll be able to pass the tests at my physical.

Oh yeah... and the pushups  ;) I just learned how to do it the military way, and I never knew that it's harder when your palms are under your shoulders rather than being more spread out (which is how I normally do it).


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2006, 22:03:13 »
haha, I know what you mean with the push-ups. But what I did was everytime I enter my room I'd do 5 push-ups, then the next week 10, then 15, etc... I can now do 30 without too much problem, but when I first started I could only just do 15. (That doesn't stop me worrying about the physical though)

For the running issue. You just have to pace yourself. Try going a bit slower, just a jogging pace. I run the 2.4 in 11:09, but I'm not out of breath, and could probably do it again right after. You just have to remember that even if it takes you 11:56 to do it you still passed. (I still recomend doing your best but there is no sense in injuring yourself)

good luck with the rest of your training!
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2006, 22:15:38 »
Hah! Thanks :)

As of now... I can do 10 military style pushups (terrible I know  :-X) and my application has to be in by July 1st, which gives me a months time to get that number up to at least 19 :)


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2006, 22:17:47 »
Don't worry about it...seriously do the push-ups everytime you enter your room. I know it sounds lame, but it works. Or atleast it did for me.
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2006, 22:50:31 »
I actually do them every time I get bored or distracted with my current work, or if I'm waiting for something to load on my computer  :P

Works out quite well, but I think I should give my muscles a rest so that they can have a chance to get stronger.


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2006, 16:14:17 »
That's a good idea.

Giving your muscles a rest is always a good idea, but they also rest at night when you sleep. I'm no expert when it comes to this area but maybe someone else can help you out in this section. Just guessing here, but I'd think that as long as you get a good nights rest they will be ok for the next day.

By the way which unit are you joining?
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2006, 17:14:38 »
Well, muscles actually take 48 hours to fully heal. But I dont have 48 hours to give them all the time :P

And I just ran the 2.4K without stopping this morning in 10:19min so I'm satisfied for now :)

And I'm thinking of joining the 48th Highlanders or the Queen's Own Rifles of 32CBG, not sure which one yet.


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2006, 17:51:41 »
Live in Toronto eh?

I'm joining the Grey and Simcoe Foresters, so we will be in the same brigade. I turn 16 tommorow, and am doing my testing this summer, the next BMQ that my unit has spaces in will be in october, so we might end up on the same BMQ!

The only advice there is though for push-ups is just keep doing them. Granted sometimes you will need to take a rest however for the most part you gotta just stick with it and keep doing them. It becomes a pain in the rear eventually but in the end of the day it's something you have to do...like it or not. That being said I'm sure you'll do fine on your testing.
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline Hunter

  • Member
  • ****
  • 4,680
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 244
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2006, 18:04:59 »

My only worry right now is the step test, considering that after my run I had barely any breath and I was sweating pretty profusely. Will it be enough training for it if I'm able to run that entire 2.4K on a single run without stopping? I'm not sure about my heart rate or my blood pressure, but I do know that every time I've tested my heart rate after a demanding excersize it's pretty high. I hope running every morning will suffice, and I'll be able to pass the tests at my physical.

Oh yeah... and the pushups  ;) I just learned how to do it the military way, and I never knew that it's harder when your palms are under your shoulders rather than being more spread out (which is how I normally do it).

Quicksilver I think given your time for the 2400 I think you should have no problem with the step test.  Remember specificity is the First Universal Principle of Training, so if you're worried about the step test, given it a go on the stairs in your house - up 2, down 2, repeat at a good pace for a few minutes.  I don't even remember how long the step test was but I found it pretty easy.  Try a couple of sets of this per day (for example 3 x 3 minutes), until you do the test.  You will have a training adaptation without even considering it to be training.

As far as the pushups goes - learn to love 'em bud.  Good luck with your application and (hopefully) welcome to the Big Green Family!

Perfer et obdura; dolor hic tibi proderit olim
(Be patient and tough; one day this pain will be useful to you)
- Ovid

Offline Jake

  • Member
  • ****
  • 255
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 178
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2006, 18:18:26 »
I wouldn't worry too much about the step test, you can do the 2.4 faster than I could when I took it (11:17) and I passed it. As for push ups, I put my feet on my bed (about 2.5 feet off the ground) and do them that way and increase how many reps you do each set by 5 each week and do lots of sets every second day. I've improved a lot by doing this, I could only do 25 regular push ups when I started and now I can do 60.  :D

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2006, 19:46:09 »
Well as the saying goes on their pamphlets "Failure to prepare is preparing for failure"  ;D

I guess I'll work at the pushups, though I don't know if the elevated pushups help that much because they seem to be too easy, rather than the harder military style.

I've also done the step test (or something like it) before, except it was for my plyometric excersizes in order to get my muscle fibres strengthened.

Live in Toronto eh?

I'm joining the Grey and Simcoe Foresters, so we will be in the same brigade. I turn 16 tommorow, and am doing my testing this summer, the next BMQ that my unit has spaces in will be in october, so we might end up on the same BMQ!

The recruiter told me the deadline for the Fall BMQ courses is July 1st, so you might want to get a move on with that application :P
You live in Etobicoke then? If you're going to join the Simcoe guys... I live pretty much downtown, around the st. clair west and bathurst area.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2006, 19:49:20 by QuickSilver »


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2006, 22:15:29 »
No, I live in Midland Ontario, I'm joining B company (Based in Barrie).

That's strange, the recruiter I spoke with when I got my application said that I should be able to apply in august and still make the cut for october BMQ. I can't get my transcripts until mid July! Don't quote me on this but, I think that BMQ is divided into a certain amount of spaces per unit, because my unit is smaller than the 48th, and the QOR, there are still spaces available for the Grey and Simcoe guys. That is the only way this makes sense, unless you are right, and I have to wait until January!  :'(That would suck.
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2006, 22:33:56 »
Damn... if so, then I should hurry up with my application!


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2006, 15:46:16 »
Damn... if so, then I should hurry up with my application!

haha, I said don't quote me! I'm not sure if that is actually how stuff works, but that was how I thought it went. Maybe someone with more experience  could point us in the right direction? Someone like Kincanucks?

It wouldn't hurt to get thing moving faster, however make sure your prepared for the testing! You wouldn't want to apply then fail the physical because of the push-ups!
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2006, 15:50:23 »
Well I'm working at it...

So far my pushups are up at 12 and my 2.4K running time is at 10:17min


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2006, 16:02:07 »
That's good that you are improving in stuff so fast! Keep going for it, and I'm sure you'll be able to do more than enough for the physical.
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline Canadian.Trucker

  • Roadrunner Actual
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 12,449
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 574
    • G&SF Website
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2006, 16:08:03 »
G&SF eh?  Good luck.  I'm the Pl Comd for A Coy 1 Pl, was formerly Pl Comd for B Coy 4 Pl.  I look forward to training you.
Tenacious and Versatile-G & SF

"Nevermind, I'll do it myself" - Me

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
- George Orwell

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2006, 16:55:00 »
G&SF eh?  Good luck.  I'm the Pl Comd for A Coy 1 Pl, was formerly Pl Comd for B Coy 4 Pl.  I look forward to training you.

haha, that's a wierd coincidence! So are you in Barrie now? Hopefully the testing will go well and I'll be able to be trained by you! ;D

Quicksilver, you might have seen this already but, http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,20897.0.html There are some good ideas in there.
« Last Edit: May 24, 2006, 17:00:16 by civvy3840 »
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline Canadian.Trucker

  • Roadrunner Actual
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 12,449
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 574
    • G&SF Website
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2006, 18:10:27 »
No, I live in Wasaga Beach, parade in Owen Sound.  I am leaving for Gagetown on Friday for my course, and I'll be working in Meaford when I return in the Fall hopefully.
Tenacious and Versatile-G & SF

"Nevermind, I'll do it myself" - Me

"We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."
- George Orwell

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2006, 19:05:33 »
Then I won't be seeing you until next summer. October BMQ is in toronto. But everything else will be in Meaford, as you probably know. Oh well, still looking forward to it! Goodluck on your course.
"Strike hard, Strike fast"

Offline QuickSilver

  • Guest
  • *
  • 0
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 17
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2006, 21:53:43 »
So is it at CFB Borden? The Fall BMQ I mean...


"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."

Offline civvy3840

  • Full Member
  • *****
  • -115
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 273
  • Grey and Simcoe Forester recruit
Re: The Running Standards
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2006, 23:06:35 »
My recruiter told me that I get on a bus at the armouries and drive out to a base in Toronto...I'm not sure why it's not at Borden though.
"Strike hard, Strike fast"