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17 Oct 2026: Major fire at CFB Wainwright

We do have a history of, at times, being less than transparent and willing to protect certain golden cows at all costs.

I can see the merit.
Which agency in Canada has the expertise to credibly examine Range management and live training practices?

How about we get over ourselves for a change and just expect to CAF to run a professional, credible investigation?
 
Which agency in Canada has the expertise to credibly examine Range management and live training practices?

Maybe not having the experience could be a welcome change ? The powers that be should probably have to articulate the whys and the how's ect ect. And at a level that the families and 2x2 Canadians can understand.

Sometimes the error 'experts' make is in their inability to make themselves and their product relatable and understandable to Joe Public.

How about we get over ourselves for a change and just expect to CAF to run a professional, credible investigation?

Love that idea.
 
Which agency in Canada has the expertise to credibly examine Range management and live training practices?

How about we get over ourselves for a change and just expect to CAF to run a professional, credible investigation?
Amen to that. What is the purpose of having an investigation unit if, when there is something to investigate, you don't get them to do it?
 
Which agency in Canada has the expertise to credibly examine Range management and live training practices?

How about we get over ourselves for a change and just expect to CAF to run a professional, credible investigation?
I hear you, and I generally trust the authorities to do proper work.

That said, as in conflict of interest, even if it's absolutely not "insider trading," so to speak, the perception can sometimes be enough.

I stand to be corrected, though, and think that, given the multiple layers of this specific pastry, there will be more than one probe looking at more than one element/factor, with a fair bit of opportunity for decent transparency to the public in a way that's accessible to Canadians who don't know much about the military.
 
Maybe not having the experience could be a welcome change ? The powers that be should probably have to articulate the whys and the how's ect ect. And at a level that the families and 2x2 Canadians can understand.

Sometimes the error 'experts' make is in their inability to make themselves and their product relatable and understandable to Joe Public.



Love that idea.
Really?

You clearly were not around for the Somalia Inquiry.

A classic example of “an outside investigation” that had no idea of what they were looking at or the context in which it occurred.

I am very comfortable the CFNIS is independent of the Army.

The Same for the CFFM.

Nearly certain the BOI is ordered by the CDS and reports to her.
 
Really?

You clearly were not around for the Somalia Inquiry.

A classic example of “an outside investigation” that had no idea of what they were looking at or the context in which it occurred.

I am very comfortable the CFNIS is independent of the Army.

The Same for the CFFM.

Nearly certain the BOI is ordered by the CDS and reports to her.

I literally said I loved your idea.

I hope CFNIS does a good job and presents an accurate, 100% truthful and transparent product. And I hope the CAF takes the recommendation to heart.
 
Apparently the Surgeon General, a year or so ago, participated in a national exercise with provincial ministries of health, examining national capacity to deal with the casualties resulting from major combat operations.

Hopefully that wargaming plus lessons learned from this incident can inform federal / provincial cooperation and preparedness.
 
Ashleigh Stewart at Global has a story out today examining some of the meteorology and fire behaviour in Wainwright on the day of the fire. BLUF; probably this was more foreseeable than had been suggested so far. The fire had been burning for hours, the shift in weather was largely forecast, and the impacts of sudden cold front winds on existing grass fires are a well known risk.

 
All those elements, individually, may have been foreseeable but who was in charge of integrating all those data together and produce decision-level information?
Obviously I’ve got no clue. I just see this as a bit of a preview of some of the raw factual foundation the BOI and other investigation(s) may contend with. I lack the institutional knowledge to even take an educated guess at how this information would reach relevant decision makers.
 
Obviously I’ve got no clue. I just see this as a bit of a preview of some of the raw factual foundation the BOI and other investigation(s) may contend with. I lack the institutional knowledge to even take an educated guess at how this information would reach relevant decision makers.
I have a fair bit of experience with Range Control as a concept, but almost none at all with Wainwright as a specific location.

In my experience, the fire index and weather conditions were synthesized locally and decisions were then made by the on duty Range Control Staff or by calling the Range Control Officer. But, nature gets a vote and it is not perfect system. Especially the bigger the training area is, as conditions can vary over 10s of Kms.

I will be interested to see what the BOI finds and recommends for improvements.
 
Ashleigh Stewart at Global has a story out today examining some of the meteorology and fire behaviour in Wainwright on the day of the fire. BLUF; probably this was more foreseeable than had been suggested so far. The fire had been burning for hours, the shift in weather was largely forecast, and the impacts of sudden cold front winds on existing grass fires are a well known risk.

Saw the same article and have met several of the sources cited in the article.

I am also looking at this from a pure wildland fire perspective.....and that means how you act with trained wildland fire staff....is different than what the CAF trains for. I might enjoy the opportunity to do some target shooting personally but I am not trained on CAF procedures or range management especially on multi-mission training areas like CFB Wainwright.

Rather than second guess report details, imagery interpolation or fire growth modelling.....all of which need detailed investigation and/or specialized SME re-creation I'll leave you with this article instead which documents some common factors in Wildland fire fighting:

And for the record it happens to trained fire fighters too. There are too many names out there on the memorial...and this list is not complete especially for the Canadians.

I will wait for the full report before I start guessing more on the events on the ground. The events at CFB Wainwright are a terrible tragedy but unfortunately, despite the best of our intentions and wishes, not everyone makes it home all the time. And each name learned at the ultimate cost reminds of what a veteran is - a person who signed their name on the line for the service of the country. A local kid is one of the injured and many in our sleepy community are finding out how close to home the events at CFB Wainwright are.

At this point we will learn from the events regardless of the uniform we wear, remember the names, and try to share the knowledge to prevent reoccurance.

I've said it before but my condolences to the CAF as a whole. It will not be a forgotten event and I'm sure I'll be learning much more about the event post investigation as lessons learned in future.
 
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