Conservatives will Support Liberal Budget

[Bruce Monkhouse]

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heck it hasn't even been pr oven that martin was involved in it.

...just this statement alone means he should resign as he's either a criminal or very incompetent....your choice.

 

[canadianblue]

Secondly, whats with this Western Holier Than Thou attitude?  

Because most of thetime we always vote with common sense > Plus Alberta's has'nt had many problems provincially, and that's largely due to the fact that we elect good governments. I don't think you can compare plagarizing an essay which has absolutely nothing to do with taxpayer dollars to what the liberals have done. If I had to choose between a person that plagarizes some work for schoolor somebody that directly steals moneyfrom for political gain, I would choose the latter.

 

[Sheerin]

So whenever there is even the hint of a scandal the sitting PM should resign?  If that were the case I suspect we'd go through many prime ministers.  

Can you point to any single piece of evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Paul Martin was directly involved in this?      

 

[Island Ryhno]

Ok a couple of things, 1) I'm a conservative supporter, I voted for Kathy Dunderdale provincially and Norman Doyle Federally, so I don't have any love for the Liberals. 2) The examples were of a smaller scale but my point was that political scandal and misappropriations have gone on as long as there has been government, people are acting like this adscam etc is something that would never have been perpetuated by the conservatives, I say that they're politicians all and each one given the swagger of power that the Liberals have held could have done the same thing. 3) Yes George they had the moral fortitude to step, it was the ethical thing to do, but whilst Mulroney supported these actions (stepping down etc) he and the conservatives suffered greatly for it, so much so that they were reduced to 2 seats. So what's a politician to do (shrug)

P.S. sorry about the delay, had to have dinner with the missus before she heads off to school  8)

 

[Sheerin]

Because most of thetime we always vote with common sense  Plus Alberta's has'nt had many problems provincially, and that's largely due to the fact that we elect good governments. I don't think you can compare plagarizing an essay which has absolutely nothing to do with taxpayer dollars to what the liberals have done. If I had to choose between a person that plagarizes some work for schoolor somebody that directly steals moneyfrom for political gain, I would choose the latter.

I understand that schools out in Alberta are suffering, in large part to Ralph's Budget Cuts.  Sure you guys have paid down the debt, but thats because you're sitting on several billion barrels of crude.  Of course you're going to be rolling in money when crude goes for over 30 dollars a barrel... hell, it's coming out of your pores when it's at $50+ a barrel.  

See both are the same.  They are both examples of theft.  With plagiarism, you're stealing someone else's ideas, and I honestly believe that that is worse than stealing money, as money can be replaced...  

 

[Pencil Tech]

I live in Alberta and I resent being constantly lumped in with the stereotype propagated, not just by the eastern media, but by a lot of people here in the province who actually like that stereotype and do their best to live up to it. In fact, half the voters in the province voted for parties other than the one led by Ralph Klein. And let's not forget that Klein stabbed Alberta's own Stephen Harper in the back at a critical moment in the election campaign last year by musing publicly about deconstructing the Canada Health Act, thus alienating the rest of the country and sending the Conservatives into a public opinion nosedive. But then Ralph wouldn't know what to do with a federal government run by Stephen "Firewall" Harper. His whole schtick is standing up to those eastern Liberal bastards. A tired routine for many of us out here, believe it or not. As for Harper himself, I can't relate to that man on any level. And every time I see a picture of him and Gilles Duceppe (ex Workers' Communist Party - Parti Communiste Ouvrier) whispering sweet nothings in each others' ears I want to spew. And it makes me want to projectile vomit when I read people here talking about how we are the fountainhead of integrity out here. What crap.There are people in this province, just like there are people in Quebec, who should grow up and stop crying like lttle babies. This is a province where a greasemonkey can be a millionaire, but to hear some people talk about how hellish their life is under the Liberals, you'd think they were talking about Somalia.

 

[pronto]

Pencil Tech! Well said!. As my wife says: "Nothing worse than people aspiring to a stereotype". You put it perfectly. well done.

 

[Danjanou]

And another thing.....they had the moral fortitude to step down from their Posts while under investigation.   Don't you find it morally and unethically shameful that the Liberals haven't done the same when they have been accused of wrong doing?

Good point George. Hmmm like me think for a minute of any Liberals who've done the same recently.... Nope none come to mind.

Well one really Judy Sgro, did resign over â Å“pizzagateâ ?, and now turns out she's been cleared. Kudos to her, although anyone familiar with her antics/ conduct at the municipal level has to agree that it's a sad day when we have to use her as an example of integrity  and honour.

 

[Paish]

Can you point to any single piece of evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Paul Martin was directly involved in this?      

He is the leader of the Liberal Party, as such any actions the party takes reflect on him.

 

[Danjanou]

He is the leader of the Liberal Party, as such any actions the party takes reflect on him.

Paish your confusing our beloved PM with Harry Truman â Å“The Buck Stops Hereâ ? meaning I'm the boss therefore I'm responsible for whatever happens on my watch I'm responsible for.

The Liberal version is more like:

â Å“Put the Buck (and more if you can) on my desk in a plain brown envelope. I'll then use it to pay my friends to bribe you with your own money so I can keep my job.â ?

Now that is one long desk sign.  8)

 

[Sheerin]

Funny, this scandal took place under Chretien's watch, not Martin's.

Some of us actually like to have our hard earned money used for something beneficial to the country as opposed to lining the pockets of the Fiberals. If you really don't care that much about your money, please, send some my way. I'll find a use for it.

Some of us who work for our money actually care where it goes and how it is used. You can be apathetic if you want, just don't let let it be done on my tab.

What makes you think I don't work for my money?
And of course you make it sound like i use $20 bills as lighters or worse, toilet paper.  You know, I could reiterate the fact that I consider both to be thieves (which I thought I did well enough the first time around, but apparently I didn't) and as such don't think highly of them, but i suspect it would be a useless endeavour on my part...
Also I really want to know do you guys think you're being clever when you refer to the liberals as "Fiberals" or "Liebrals"?

and I have a feeling this thread is going to be locked...

 

[Danjanou]

....and I have a feeling this thread is going to be locked...

If it stays civil in here no, at least not by this mod.

This is an important issue and one that deserves maximum debate. If we devolve into regional name calling and personal attacks yeah it will get shut down fast. 8)

 

[onecat]

Also I really want to know do you guys think you're being clever when you refer to the liberals as "Fiberals" or "Liebrals"?

Most people call the Liberal party these name because as a party and a government they have lost the repsect of most Canadians; including many who will keep voting for them in the next election.  Under the mistaken belief that its better to have corrupt thieves running the county, and a new party who might actually do good things for the country.

 

[Sheerin]

I'm sorry referring the liberal party as "lieberal" and "fiberal" is just as mature as calling someone a "poopy head".  I hate to say it, but when I read that I find it very difficult to pay attention to some of your points; many of which are valid
Can we at least be adults about this? 

 

[Sheerin]

Funny, the finance minister is responsible for where the taxpayer's money goes. Even if he really did not know, he should have. Burden of command as we call it in the military.

And besides, the little voice in me says he must have known, he was an insider. How could he not have known, or at least had suspicions?

That was in direct response to Paish's comment.

I don't know what Martin knew... part of me thinks that yeah, he should have known something was up.  Perhaps there Chretien fired him as Finance Minister becuase he started to ask too many questions?   

 

[canadianblue]

Perhaps there Chretien fired him as Finance Minister becuase he started to ask too many questions?

Then he could have told the country about what had happened. I still don't see how people think so highly of the Liberals considering all of the BS thats gone on. The only attack on Mr. Harper is the "hidden agenda" attack which is pretty stupid. As well the Liberals are proven liars, and only care about what will garauntee them power.

As for Gomery, I think that Martin originally was hoping for a majority government, and then shutting down as much of Gomery as possible. Unfortunately for him that did not happen.

To tell you the truth the conservatives are fairly close to the Liberals in policies, they support civil unions, and are moderate in most of their policies. The only reason that I can think of why people wouldn't vote for Harper is because he is from Alberta, as we all know Albertan's can't be trusted with our country as we are a "different type" as Mr Chretien put it.

 

[Sheerin]

What about Peter McKay, your deputy leader, for the leadership campaign for the old PC party his platform was one of not joining the Alliance... and guess what happened?

If all liberals are liars, then all conservatives are liars. 

As for Gomery, I think that Martin originally was hoping for a majority government, and then shutting down as much of Gomery as possible.

and what are you basing this on?  Do you have some inside knowledge or are you pulling this out of your ass?

And civil unions aren't the same thing as marriage, and in my humble opinion the civil union idea is just a slap in the face.  It's basically branding homosexuals as second class citizens.  but lets not get into this.

 

[winchable]

So does this mean Ms. Stronach is off of my "Conservative Woman of the Month" Calendar for April?
Hmm..I suppose Elsie Wade will have to do.

Just when I thought Canadian politics were going to get interesting someone does something to preserve the sacred status quo.

All politicians are liars, and always will be. That's what happens when they need to make everyone feel like they can get everything they want when in fact someone (sometimes a slim minority, sometimes a small interest group) generally always gets screwed.
If it weren't for lies, no one would vote because they'd know that no matter what the things that need to change the most are not going to.

 

[SHELLDRAKE!!]

Sure you guys have paid down the debt, but thats because you're sitting on several billion barrels of crude.  Of course you're going to be rolling in money when crude goes for over 30 dollars a barrel... heck, it's coming out of your pores when it's at $50+ a barrel. 

I'm sorry I didn't realize we Albertans kept all of our oil profits, here I've been paying 96 cents a litre when I guess it really reads 9.6 cents a litre. Perhaps your views on the west may be a little warped, maybee if we had regional representation things would seem a little more in focus. But of course that would never happen as long as Ontario is Canadas "most important assett"

 

[jmacleod]

Federal Liberal's have been planning a Federal election since November 2004. The Liberal Party
is only focused on one strategy; winning the election, always has been since inception. They
are focused on constinuencies, and their concensus is that they will easily win the Atlantic
region, hold their seats in Quebec, sweep Ontario, particularly GTA, have already written off
the "West" and will gain many seats in B.C. - which equals a Liberal majority government.
There are really no think tanks in the Liberal Party, there are no NDP style nit-pickers (NDP
can easily be bought of in any event), there is simply a relentless, totally focused political
machine, which is geared only to win - . One must consider the origins of the Party; created
by immigrants in the middle 1860's who were unacceptable to the Tory establishments of the
times. The early Liberals knew that they had the power to change and control, because they
had the numbers - a lot more voters, and potential voters that the other side. So the signs in
Halifax NS which read, "no Irish need apply" eventually were replaced by the simple fact when
I was a boy growing up in N.S. one had to be an Irish Catholic to get on the Halifax Fire
Department, which continued for many, many years. Thus, from a political perspective MP Belinda
Stronach made a gutsy, shrewd political move, but I'll bet she talked to her Dad about it. MacLeod