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daftandbarmy said:Especially for those in their 70s who want to soldier on!
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daftandbarmy said:Especially for those in their 70s who want to soldier on!
Thucydides said:"Square" systems did exist for centuries (four platoons, four companies etc.), but fell out of fashion in the early 20th century. Several explanations have been given, including span of command (particularly since the area covered by platoons and companies was increasing due to improved rifles and area weapons) and the idea that a 3 subunit formation could operate "2 Up" with 66% of the firepower committed and only 33% held back while a "Square" formation would have 50% of the firepower out of the fight in a "2 Up" formation.
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Kirkhill said:Noteworthy that part of the Canadian Corps utility and success was that it did not thin out its Battalions and used its personnel to keep a Corps of large battalions up to strength rather than creating an Army of smaller battalions.
More HQs to study the problem, that's what would happen.Old Sweat said:Now, I won't speculate what the modern Canadian Army would do with a similar opportunity.
Fred Herriot said:We're not obsessing with it. We're just doing a theoretical exercise and learning a little history since, as others on this thread have noted, Canada used to work on a 4 x 4 system, mostly during World War One and the original Canadian Corps.
Old Sweat said:Add to that, that the platoon as a fixed organization was a fairly new device, and you can imagine the confusion.
Lieut. Col. HILL, D.S.O. and Major WILLETS attended the Divisional Training School in the morning for a demonstration of the new platoon organization.
This was the first occasion on which the new platoon formation was used. It had been found that the platoon must be a self-contained unit with each branch of the infantry represented, This was deemed essential for trench to trench attack.
The platoon was divided into four sections and a platoon headquarters, a bombing section, Lewis Gun section, rifle and bayonet section and a rifle grenade section. In this manner practically any situation could be handled effectively on the spot and the success at Vimy certainly justified this contention.
This system originated from the French and was adopted by all.
The battalion went into action [with] 16 company officers and 632 other ranks. Thirteen officers and 290 other ranks became casualties.
New Platoon Organization. 24. Proved its usefulness by the easy manner in which the organization of different raiding parties was carried out.
The Army's New Land Warrior Gear: Why Soldiers Don't Like It
After spending 15 years on R & D, the Pentagon is outfitting soldiers for a high-tech battlefield network designed to cut through the fog of war. Popular Mechanics tests out the high-tech package and discovers why America's wireless warriors think it will slow them down in Iraq.
BY NOAH SHACHTMAN
October 1, 2009 12:00 AM
Looking through the Land Warrior System's flip-down eyepiece, shown here being used by a member of the 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, from Fort Lewis, Wash., is equivalent to viewing a 17-in. computer monitor. Along with maps and other information, the eyepiece displays the view through the lens of a video camera mounted on a soldier's M-4, enabling him to peer over walls in safety. The brigade, now deployed in Iraq, is the first unit to test the gear in combat.
There's a half-billion dollars invested in the gear hanging off the heads, chests and backs of the soldiers of Alpha company. Digital maps displayed on helmet-mounted eyepieces show the position of all the men in the unit as they surround a block of concrete buildings and launch their attacks. Instead of relying on the hand signals and shouted orders that most infantrymen use, Alpha company communicates via advanced, encrypted radio transmissions with a range of up to a kilometer. It's more information than any soldiers have ever had about their comrades and their surroundings.
But as Alpha kicks in doors, rounds up terror suspects and peals off automatic fire in deafening six-shot bursts, not one of the soldiers bothers to check his radio or look into the eyepiece to find his buddies on the electronic maps. "It's just a bunch of stuff we don't use, taking the place of useful stuff like guns," says Sgt. James Young, who leads a team of four M-240 machine-gunners perched on a balcony during this training exercise at Fort Lewis, Wash. "It makes you a slower, heavier target."
Since the late 1990s, the U.S. military has pushed hard to link every vehicle, every sensor and every soldier in a sprawling intranet for combat. The objective of this network-centric warfare: Boost battlefield communication and situational awareness -- making troops smarter, quicker and deadlier. Today, a big chunk of the combat vehicles and command posts have been wired up. But most soldiers on the ground still don't even have a radio.
Alpha's electronics package, known as the Land Warrior System, is designed to finally plug the infantryman into the battlefield network. These exercises in the shadow of Mount Rainier are the Army's most comprehensive test of the system yet -- a dry run before Alpha company and the rest of the 4th Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment take Land Warrior to Iraq.
But on the eve of what should be the program's biggest success, support for Land Warrior is crumbling. In the halls of the Pentagon there's a pitched battle being waged over Land Warrior's long-term budget and its long-term future. Army program managers are questioning Land Warrior's most basic premise: Does every soldier need to be wired?
If the program is going to survive, it will need rave reviews from the field. But, at least on this crisp, sunny afternoon, Alpha doesn't seem all that happy with the gear. "I'm not a big fan, personally," says Pvt. Donald Starks, who's dripping with sweat after a morning of rehearsing house-to-house fighting in his Land Warrior rig.
The first, most obvious difference between the current suite of soldier equipment and Land Warrior is the flip-down eyepiece attached to the helmet. In it, an infantryman can see a map of the area, with his fellow troops marked by blue icons. (In the military, blue denotes friendly forces.) It's similar to a vehicle-mounted system, Blue Force Tracker, which has been credited with turbocharging the American push to Baghdad in 2003 and reducing friendly fire incidents in Iraq.
The Land Warrior System marks the first time that a soldier has been able to keep tabs on his buddies without monitoring them on the radio or keeping them in visual range. "We can track each other without saying a word," says Staff Sgt. Michael Wyatt as we squeeze into a Stryker fighting vehicle. The slender 5-ft. 3-in. Virginian ran convoy missions in Iraq for a year before joining Alpha company. Before that he spent seven years with the Marines. "All guys bitch and moan for a while about new gear," Wyatt says. "They'll get used to it."
If Land Warrior troops want to communicate verbally, they can use the radio headsets and noise-canceling, over-the-ear headphones that fit into every Kevlar helmet. A transmitter for a wireless network is on the soldier's body armor, broadcasting encrypted signals for up to a kilometer. There's also a lithium-ion battery pack, a GPS transponder and a paperback-size 400-MHz computer to run the whole system. The soldier operates the gear with a controller on his chest that's shaped like a gun grip or via buttons on his M-4 rifle.
It's not the only change to the weapon. Mounted on the rifle and connected to the rest of the systemis a digital sight that lets a soldier, in effect, see around corners; all he has to do is stick his gun out -- not his neck. The sight also serves as a long-range zoom, with 12x magnification. "It makes every rifleman a marksman," says Col. Richard Hansen, Land Warrior's project manager. Night vision and laser targeting, which once required clunky binoculars or attachments to the weapon, are now built in.
Many of the system's components were first suggested in 1991, long before network-centric war became a Pentagon buzzword. But putting the recommendations into action "has been more difficult than anybody thought," says retired Lt. Gen. Paul Kern, who oversaw Land Warrior as director of the Army Acquisition Corps from 1997 to 2001. By the end of the 1990s, after years of development, the program (then managed by defense contractor Raytheon) was in disarray. Costs skyrocketed past $85,000 per soldier for a 40-pound, turtle-shell collection of gear that would barely let an infantryman drop and roll.
Land Warrior was saved only by a crash 12-week program to replace military-spec equipment with commercially available technologies, including parts bought off the shelf from Fry's Electronics, the big California consumer retailer. That lowered the price and weight dramatically, and brought Land Warrior in line with the Defense Department's push to use more civilian gear. In testing, however, soldiers found the new Land Warrior equipment too fragile for the rough-and-tumble of combat. In 2003, another defense contractor, General Dynamics, was enlisted to Âcreate a third, military-hardened version of the system.
Today, Land Warrior weighs a comparatively trim 16 pounds, in part because extra batteries are now kept in the soldiers' vehicles instead of on their backs. Per-soldier costs are down to about $30,000. But despite 15 years of work and nearly $500 million, the system still has bugs. And some of the gear seems outdated, even before it goes off to war. The 400-MHz processor running the system would have been bleeding-edge -- in 1999.
Peek performance: The Land Warrior System, a wearable package of computers and other high-tech gear, includes a digital sight that lets soldiers aim at enemies without exposing themselves to danger.
In a parking lot adjacent to Alpha's faux-urban training grounds, Starks helps me into a Land Warrior ensemble, making sure I don't get my weapon entangled in the suit's wires. I point the M-4 across the lot at a row of rental cars. I wait -- and wait -- for the enhanced gunsight to focus. It responds more like a cheap digital camera than an advanced piece of military gear. At this speed, the sight would be nearly useless in fast-moving urban combat.
The map showing soldiers' locations isn't exactly quick, either. I walk around the lot. My position on the map lags about a minute behind where I am in real time. That kind of delay wouldn't be too important in a long-range duel of sharpshooters. But in an Iraq-style firefight it could be lethal. "There are still a lot of glitches," admits Alpha company's Lt. John Gelineau. And with a soldier's basic load of body armor, ammo and other equipment now approaching 80 pounds, even the slimmed-down Land Warrior System might be too much of a burden for an infantryman.
For now, the game plan among Land Warrior managers is to have only commanders carry the load. Just 230 of the 440 systems used at Fort Lewis will be brought to Iraq. After all, lieutenants, captains and senior sergeants are the ones who really need to know where all the troops are. Let them have the digital mapping gear and give privates and corporals simple beacons that broadcast their positions to higher-ups. "We may not have to belabor every rifleman with the full system," Hansen says.
Same goes for the radios. Land Warrior's wireless network makes it easy for a commander to plan missions on the run. But maybe the leaders of Alpha company's 11-man squads are the only ones who need to be on the receiving end of those transmissions; maybe they can, in turn, tell their soldiers what to do the old-fashioned way -- with hand signals and shouted orders. That would suit Starks just fine. "There are a lot of things I'd never use in my position," he says. "It seems like a lot of excessive stuff."
Some in the Army's upper echelons apparently feel the same way. Money has grown tight after six years of war in Afghanistan and four years in Iraq. The generals are looking to cut costs, and scrapping an experimental system like Land Warrior would appear to be an easy way to save a few hundred million. As it stands, the Army's new five-year budget eliminates funding for the gear.
Nevertheless, the 4-9th is pressing on with plans to go into battle wearing Land Warrior. The systems are already bought and paid for, and there is money in this year's budget to maintain the gear.
The hope is that Land Warrior will perform so well under fire that the Army's chiefs will have no choice but to keep funding the system. "It's kind of a Hail Mary pass," one Pentagon insider tells me. Give guys like Gelineau and Starks a few months with Land Warrior, the thinking goes, and they'll grow to love it, saving the 15-year effort.
So far, no dice. "Oh yeah, I can't wait!" an Alpha company soldier writes sarcastically in an e-mail months after I visit Fort Lewis and just before he's due for deployment to Iraq. "We still aren't fans."
That attitude could change -- quickly -- with a single good combat experience. But if it doesn't, it could mean that the dream of network-centric operations -- of linking every soldier into a battlefield web, of ensuring that every infantryman knows exactly who and what is in his combat zone -- will remain years in the distance.
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