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Colin Parkinson

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The idea is not new, just the tech available.
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Anyone have any experience with these?


Apparently Roshel has manufactured and delivered 100 of them for Ukraine. In service with the Border Guards in the Chernihiv area at least.



Got to say - it looks like a better runabout than the TAPV.
 

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Apparently Roshel has manufactured and delivered 100 of them for Ukraine. In service with the Border Guards in the Chernihiv area at least.



Got to say - it looks like a better runabout than the TAPV.
It’s an armored car. Think more Brinks money moving or Riot control work.

I’d never suggest it for a Military vehicle.

The biggest issue with the TAPV Canada got is the version, the actual system isn’t really bad for some roles, for whatever reason Canada bought the worst version in the line to do anything with.
 

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The Roshel Senator is built on the Ford F550 chassis

Here are the F550 specs


The F550 (stock) has a GVWR of 8 to 9 tonnes with a curb weight (unarmoured) of 3.5 tonnes. That puts it into the JLTV, Thales Hawkei class of vehicles or LVM(Light) class.
What the base price difference though? Likley this comes in about 1/2 the price of those. Certainly the others are likley more capable, but do you need that level for what we would use them for? I would see them more a replacement for the G wagon.
 

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It’s an armored car. Think more Brinks money moving or Riot control work.

I’d never suggest it for a Military vehicle.

The biggest issue with the TAPV Canada got is the version, the actual system isn’t really bad for some roles, for whatever reason Canada bought the worst version in the line to do anything with.

What's wrong with an upgraded M113 as a battle taxi vs. these types of armoured cars?
 

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What's wrong with an upgraded M113 as a battle taxi vs. these types of armoured cars?

You mean aside from the wind in your hair at 40 below?

Actually you make a fair point - why not just go with the Bisons (same weight as the M113, faster on roads and amphibious in sheltered waters (just like the M113s)?

If only they could put the driver in a more environmentally protected position while still giving a good view when heads down.
 

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The Roshel Senator is built on the Ford F550 chassis

Here are the F550 specs


The F550 (stock) has a GVWR of 8 to 9 tonnes with a curb weight (unarmoured) of 3.5 tonnes. That puts it into the JLTV, Thales Hawkei class of vehicles or LVM(Light) class.
The difference is the other systems are actually designed as .Mil vehicles.

I think things like the Roshel is good for 2nd line duties, where the main risk is shrapnel and occasional small arms. Likley a good replacement for our Milcots that we pretend are frontline vehicles.
Still have exposed fuel lines etc.
I don’t think anyone serious considers the MilCot a OUTCAN vehicle.
 

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That's what they said about the Cougar.

And the Iltis...


Controversial jeep pulled from high-risk patrols​


The Canadian military has pulled the controversial Iltis jeep from high-risk patrols in Afghanistan, replacing it with armoured vehicles.

The switch follows the death of two Canadians who were killed by at least one anti-tank mine while riding in a jeep on the outskirts of Kabul.

The Iltis jeep, which has been in service since the mid-1980s, is slated to be replaced next year.

The Liberal government has been criticized for equipping Canadian soldiers with a jeep many say is unsafe.

Lt.-Col. Don Denne, the officer commanding the Canadian battle group patrolling Afghanistan's capital, said they got more armoured vehicles from several other units through a redistribution of resources.

Investigators believe up to three explosive devices were used in the explosion that killed Sgt. Robert Alan Short, 42, of Fredericton and Cpl. Robbie

Three other paratroopers were wounded.

The Iltis will continue to be used in the city itself and other low-risk areas.

But the vehicle is being made safer. Kevlar blankets are being fitted on the seats because the jeep does not have armoured plates underneath.

One of the jeep's two back seats is being unbolted and made to face backward so soldiers can defend during attacks from behind.

A high roll bar is also being installed.



 

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The difference is the other systems are actually designed as .Mil vehicles.


Still have exposed fuel lines etc.
I don’t think anyone serious considers the MilCot a OUTCAN vehicle.
Your faith is amusing Grasshopper.........


Really it's just a better Saxon
 

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And the Iltis...
The Iltis had deployed to Somalia, FYR and a few other places prior to Afghanistan.
It was a regular force vehicle, that was a needed item at the time, and the time every military had an unarmored ‘jeepish’ vehicle.

Recall the complaints about the Hummer in Afghanistan and Iraq…


The Belgian Para’s used their Iltis’s as well in Afghanistan.


There is nothing wrong with some soft skin vehicles in the Military - but theatre threat needs to be considered for what role they play.
 

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The Iltis had deployed to Somalia, FYR and a few other places prior to Afghanistan.
It was a regular force vehicle, that was a needed item at the time, and the time every military had an unarmored ‘jeepish’ vehicle.

Recall the complaints about the Hummer in Afghanistan and Iraq…


The Belgian Para’s used their Iltis’s as well in Afghanistan.


There is nothing wrong with some soft skin vehicles in the Military - but theatre threat needs to be considered for what role they play.

What's old is new again. Really how different is an MRZR D4 than an iltis or a WW2 jeep. Light weight 4x4 carries that 4 people.
 

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What's old is new again. Really how different is an MRZR D4 than an iltis or a WW2 jeep. Light weight 4x4 carries that 4 people.
Yes, the issue is however now you need two or more vehicles for entities. The soft skins work for some missions, but for others you end up in a JLTV type thing.
 
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