Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Good2Golf]

My challenge to you and others, is when, when do you start raising the bar of expectations for PM MC and his brand of Liberals.

Well, if you had actually listened to what many of us have been saying about Carney, is that many of us still hold judgement on him regarding the proximal influence of China, particularly ongoing foreign interference, the likes of CCP’s United Fromt Work Department activity in Canada, including local Chinese national supported ‘Police Stations’ and the significant influence of Triad criminality particularly with money laundering and casinos in key Chinese diaspora-laden regions. It would seem you’re so upset which anyone who dare question the purported awesomeness of Poilievre, that you’re blind to the criticism of Carney by those who you accuse of being blind Carney shills.

Or Carney does EVERYTHING he promised.

Ridiculous, naive expectation. What other Canadian politician has done EVERYTHING they promised?

I have barely touched on what Pierre puts out pubicly. And the MSM/CPAC covers him frequently. Up to you.

Irrelevant. Blah, blah, blah, VerbtheNoun, blah, blah, blah.

We’ll never know what Poilievre’s word are worth until he’s PM, then we can apply the phrase Facta Non Verba. Until then it’s just Verba Inania.

I am out for real now.

See you back soon!

 

[MilEME09]

Imagine if the LotO was moved out of Stornaway to make room for the PM while the repairs were being conducted.

This was actually offered to harper in 2008

 

[Altair]

For someone who thinks the government should go with 2 new fighter fleets I'm surprised you don't seem confident in their ability at multitasking.

I trust the RCAF to figure it out.

Hoisting virtue signalling up the flag pole doesn’t actually engage with the argument; it just assigns intent instead of addressing substance.

1.2 percent. And that's me generously assigning every one of those 13K to your scenario of the dad with 7 kids.

If the concern is system integrity and incentives across immigration pathways (which mine is), that applies regardless of whether a category is 1% or 30% of intake. The relevant question is impact and abuse potential. Not just the proportional share. "It’s just a rounding error" incentivizes abuse; haven't we had enough rounding errors in the last 11 years?

We didn't see rounding errors, we got systemic errors the post covid years.

Again, if you think it's that big a deal, power to you. I think it's such a micro issue in the face of a more pertinent macro issue.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Again, if you think it's that big a deal, power to you. I think it's such a micro issue in the face of a more pertinent macro issue.

Here's some good numbers from our CBSA friends.

CBSA removes 81 individuals linked to extortion from Canada since August 2025 - Surrey Now-Leader

46 individuals were removed in the Pacific region

surreynowleader.com

In 2025, the CBSA removed 23,160 people from Canada for various reasons. Over 1,000 of those were deemed inadmissible for “serious criminality,” which included national security, war crimes or human rights violations, organized crime, and criminality.

Around 400 people are removed from Canada each week after being deemed inadmissible.

2.4 people per hour, not bad. I'm sure we can put a little more horsepower into this without our whole society collapsing eh?

 

[Altair]

Here's some good numbers from our CBSA friends.

CBSA removes 81 individuals linked to extortion from Canada since August 2025 - Surrey Now-Leader

46 individuals were removed in the Pacific region

surreynowleader.com

2.4 people per hour, not bad. I'm sure we can put a little more horsepower into this without our whole society collapsing eh?

In the grand scheme of th crux of the issue, Army rick talking about out of control migration, I seriously think 2.4 people per hour is such small potatoes when talking about 3000 people a day.

 

[Czech_pivo]

In the grand scheme of th crux of the issue, Army rick talking about out of control migration, I seriously think 2.4 people per hour is such small potatoes when talking about 3000 people a day.

It depends - is the expectation that 90+% of these people all leave on their own?

What checkpoints are in place to follow up and ensure that all 2.9 million leave when their visa’s expire?

Canadian visas for 2.9 million temporary residents expire in 2025 and 2026

Nearly three million people living in Canada on temporary resident, worker, or visitor extension permits have visas that expired last year, or will expire this year, not including student visas. New data from Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada highlights the far-reaching impact of...

edmonton.citynews.ca

 

[Jarnhamar]

In the grand scheme of th crux of the issue, Army rick talking about out of control migration, I seriously think 2.4 people per hour is such small potatoes when talking about 3000 people a day.

This stuff adds up. Costs per asylum claimant (separate from immigrants here) to taxpayers was up to $40,000 or more.

High end estimates during the Roxham highway day had these fellas costing taxpayers $1.4b to $2.5b per year. Call me heartless but I'd rather spend that money on Canadians kids teeth and school lunches. Or supporting skilled immigrants coming here.

The good news, like you point out, is target numbers are down. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant, and it's too low of a priority to put horsepower into tightening the process up. The LPC can just as easily crank open the taps next month.

 

[Altair]

This stuff adds up. Costs per asylum claimant (separate from immigrants here) to taxpayers was up to $40,000 or more.

High end estimates during the Roxham highway day had these fellas costing taxpayers $1.4b to $2.5b per year. Call me heartless but I'd rather spend that money on Canadians kids teeth and school lunches. Or supporting skilled immigrants coming here.

The good news, like you point out, is target numbers are down. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be vigilant, and it's too low of a priority to put horsepower into tightening the process up. The LPC can just as easily crank open the taps next month.

I dont think the Liberal Progressive Conservaties are going to do that.

 

[YZT580]

Housing is flat. You don't want housing dropping unless your goal is to hammer those who are just getting into houses right now. When their mortgage term is up, watch them get screwed when their LTV rates go in the wrong direction.

Again, we ran into issues by ramping up immigration to levels we couldn't manage. Don't think for a second we wouldn't run into problems if we did the same thing in reverse.

not suggesting that you run it in reverse but if we have planned for a population of 39 million and we have ballooned to 41 million (not real numbers) then watching a drop to 40 million is not as much a retraction as a system correction and it is not harmful. Here is a quote from the CBC article listed above re: increased foreign workers "
Kelly said that while he recognizes it is challenging for youth to find jobs, many of the federation's members in rural and remote locations don't get a lot of young people "willing to take the job."

"Canadian young kids, I’m sorry, they’re not signing up for jobs on farms. They’re not signing up for jobs at the meat plant, they’re not going and planting trees like decades ago in rural and remote locations," he said." What needs to be said to them is that is fine, no work no eat. But there are a lot of kids who have the potential for doing that work if they are given the opportunity and the consequences but if a restaurant can hire an off-shore for 18 an hour and then claw back rent or groceries or transportation costs they will do it and simply say they couldn't find anyone and that is happening a lot. Ford may be trolling for votes but he has got it right. Lets get Canada working again before we say we can't and bring in people when we have a bunch of folks who are just too proud to get their hands dirty.

Everything above does not apply if the people we are losing are the skilled ones. That is what we need to identify and correct if it is true

 

[Altair]

not suggesting that you run it in reverse but if we have planned for a population of 39 million and we have ballooned to 41 million (not real numbers) then watching a drop to 40 million is not as much a retraction as a system correction and it is not harmful. Here is a quote from the CBC article listed above re: increased foreign workers "
Kelly said that while he recognizes it is challenging for youth to find jobs, many of the federation's members in rural and remote locations don't get a lot of young people "willing to take the job."

"Canadian young kids, I’m sorry, they’re not signing up for jobs on farms. They’re not signing up for jobs at the meat plant, they’re not going and planting trees like decades ago in rural and remote locations," he said." What needs to be said to them is that is fine, no work no eat. But there are a lot of kids who have the potential for doing that work if they are given the opportunity and the consequences but if a restaurant can hire an off-shore for 18 an hour and then claw back rent or groceries or transportation costs they will do it and simply say they couldn't find anyone and that is happening a lot. Ford may be trolling for votes but he has got it right. Lets get Canada working again before we say we can't and bring in people when we have a bunch of folks who are just too proud to get their hands dirty.

Everything above does not apply if the people we are losing are the skilled ones. That is what we need to identify and correct if it is true

Young couple buys a house when the population is 41m. Drop the population to 40m much more stock, less pressure.

Housing falls... 15 percent.

Young couple just bought with 10 percent down. 400k house. 40k down. They own 10 percent. But housing has dropped 15 due to the drop.

They now own nothing, and banks, looking at their loan to value massively hikes their rates. They need to sell. But housing is down. Their house joins the oversaturated market. Housing driven down further. Next young couple needs to refinance... and great, you've crashed the housing market, especially for those first time home buyers.

But great news for those with houses who can leverage them to snap up those properties as rentals. Bad news for banks. Lending drops as banks cover their losses. The wider economy begins to struggle. But at least we arbitrarily dropped the population.

Dont play fast and loose with the population, you stand to risk much more of the wider economy.

 

[suffolkowner]

Young couple buys a house when the population is 41m. Drop the population to 40m much more stock, less pressure.

Housing falls... 15 percent.

Young couple just bought with 10 percent down. 400k house. 40k down. They own 10 percent. But housing has dropped 15 due to the drop.

They now own nothing, and banks, looking at their loan to value massively hikes their rates. They need to sell. But housing is down. Their house joins the oversaturated market. Housing driven down further. Next young couple needs to refinance... and great, you've crashed the housing market, especially for those first time home buyers.

But great news for those with houses who can leverage them to snap up those properties as rentals. Bad news for banks. Lending drops as banks cover their losses. The wider economy begins to struggle. But at least we arbitrarily dropped the population.

Dont play fast and loose with the population, you stand to risk much more of the wider economy.

also not that bad for all the young people that havent bought yet. Of course we could just build more houses. Not sure how you can decrease the cost of housing and increase supply without people losing equity

 

[Czech_pivo]

Young couple buys a house when the population is 41m. Drop the population to 40m much more stock, less pressure.

Housing falls... 15 percent.

Young couple just bought with 10 percent down. 400k house. 40k down. They own 10 percent. But housing has dropped 15 due to the drop.

They now own nothing, and banks, looking at their loan to value massively hikes their rates. They need to sell. But housing is down. Their house joins the oversaturated market. Housing driven down further. Next young couple needs to refinance... and great, you've crashed the housing market, especially for those first time home buyers.

But great news for those with houses who can leverage them to snap up those properties as rentals. Bad news for banks. Lending drops as banks cover their losses. The wider economy begins to struggle. But at least we arbitrarily dropped the population.

Dont play fast and loose with the population, you stand to risk much more of the wider economy.

The last government did play fast and loose. The current one is attempting to right the ship.

 

[Altair]

The last government did play fast and loose. The current one is attempting to right the ship.

You are 100 percent correct.

The population is shrinking, but by little percentages. How they managed to thread that needle is honestly impressive to me. Housing is down nationally, but not enough to bankrupt people.

They are doing a good job.

 

[Altair]

also not that bad for all the young people that havent bought yet. Of course we could just build more houses. Not sure how you can decrease the cost of housing and increase supply without people losing equity

Those looking to buy arent going to be buying if prices are crashing. Thats just pissing away their downpayment.

Which only leads to further drops... so on and so forth.

And if prices are dropping, developers arent going to be building. So really, compounding issues.

Long term, stagnation in housing prices or drops low enough that equity gains counteract it is ptobably the only way out of this mess.

But if you push a bracket too hard, the entire house of cards comes tumblings down. And i talk up canada frequently here, but one thing we are really bad at is household debt loads. We are one shock away from the bubble popping.

So people talking about dropping the population by any significant number is maddening to me. Bring on our ruin why dont ya?

 

[Jarnhamar]

You are 100 percent correct.

The population is shrinking, but by little percentages. How they managed to thread that needle is honestly impressive to me. Housing is down nationally, but not enough to bankrupt people.

They are doing a good job.

Canadian Real Estate Association said as of May 2026 the following province's have a year-over-year average price increases:

Quebec
Saskatchewan
Manitoba
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Prince Edward Island
Newfoundland and Labrador

British Colombia, Ontario, and Alberta are down.

 

[Altair]

Canadian Real Estate Association said as of May 2026 the following province's have a year-over-year average price increases:

Quebec
Saskatchewan
Manitoba
Nova Scotia
New Brunswick
Prince Edward Island
Newfoundland and Labrador

British Colombia, Ontario, and Alberta are down.

Both these things can be true.

The outsized effect of prices that BC and Ontario have on the national market, any drops in those two alone will drag the entire market down.

March marks four years of declining home prices in Canada

www.rbc.com

The national composite MLS Home Price Index remains firmly on a four year-long decline, down 4.7% from a year ago and 20% from the cyclical peak in early-2022. It slipped a further 0.4% in March from February.

It resulted in the MLS HPI falling 7.4% from a year ago in the Greater Toronto Area, and down 6.8% in the Vancouver area.

The price correction isn’t limited to these markets, though, and ongoing in other parts of Ontario and B.C. including Kitchener-Waterloo (-8.6%), Barrie (-8.4%), Cambridge (-7.4%), Hamilton (-7.3%), London (-7.1%), Guelph (-6.4%) and Fraser Valley (-7.5%). Almost all also saw further monthly declines in March.

Home values are eroding in Alberta as well, albeit to a lesser extent. The MLS HPI was down 2.9% from a year ago in Edmonton and 3% in Calgary. Strong housing construction has brought more supply to market in the past couple of years, helping rebuild inventory and materially ease earlier tightness with demand.

Interesting to this discussion

There’s also a growing risk that persistent gloom arising from geopolitical events, spiking energy prices, and fragile job markets prolongs the slump. Meanwhile, interest rates are unlikely to fall further, and immigration cuts are cooling housing demand, which could delay a rebound in activity.

Just food for thought for anyone seriously thinking of just undoing what Trudeau did willy nilly.

 

[YZT580]

The last government did play fast and loose. The current one is attempting to right the ship.

by buying poorly designed condos that no one wants? how does that right the ship? There is no risk of a housing crash because of a surplus of construction. In fact they are still trying to build more. The biggest problem is they have built a bunch of houses for speculators and investors and not for people. As for numbers, assume we lose 1 million residents. From a housing standpoint so what? We shrink from 41 to 40 mil. But we only have housing for 39 so what's the problem. We still need a million homes. But you and Altair seem to be ignoring the major issue with the shrinkage and that is the quality of the people that are leaving. If they are gold brickers the obvious answer is so what. They are no loss as they are an economic drain that we can't afford. It is good that they voluntarily vacate the premises. If they are skilled individuals then we do have a serious problem and it is not related to housing.

 

[Altair]

by buying poorly designed condos that no one wants? how does that right the ship? There is no risk of a housing crash because of a surplus of construction. In fact they are still trying to build more. The biggest problem is they have built a bunch of houses for speculators and investors and not for people. As for numbers, assume we lose 1 million residents. From a housing standpoint so what? We shrink from 41 to 40 mil. But we only have housing for 39 so what's the problem. We still need a million homes. But you and Altair seem to be ignoring the major issue with the shrinkage and that is the quality of the people that are leaving. If they are gold brickers the obvious answer is so what. They are no loss as they are an economic drain that we can't afford. It is good that they voluntarily vacate the premises. If they are skilled individuals then we do have a serious problem and it is not related to housing.

It doesn't matter that we have housing for 39m

The market adjusted housing for 41m. People bought homes at markets priced at 41m. Dropping a million people leads to lower prices, but variables that would destroy those who bought in at the market when the market was priced at 41m.

You cannot play fast and loose with the population on the way down any more than you can on the way up. It's like getting shot in one leg and shooting yourself in the next one to even it out.

Turns out, you make the problem worse.