Updated Army Service Dress project

[FJAG]

Fashion sense? - That's for kilted units. A gunner's role is to add dignity through hats.

 

[OldSolduer]

Shows how you misjudge the Infantry.

The Vandoos are wondering what it can be sold for.
The Royals are debating painting it

The PPCLI are waiting to see what the other two do, so they can do something different…

Well honestly we never have been great at toeing the party line. Thank fuck.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Well honestly we never have been great at toeing the party line. Thank fuck.

The PPCLI were private military contractors before it was cool . Being "unique" is part of it's heritage and identity

 

[Seyek]

Was looking over those slides this afternoon. It looks sharp, and from what I can tell from the CADCC RoD, the decision on Forage, Service, and Beret is something each specific corps will hammer out.

My educated guess based on some of the implied rumblings:

-Forage Cap will be a game time decision for individual Corps/Regiments. I believe the RRCA is leading the charge on this one, however, I am curious what the rest of the Corps fell toward this initiative; in that the Armoured Corps will ignore the initiative and go with Berets regardless and the 3 Reg F infantry Regiments seem to be apathetic to the whole thing.

-Peaked Service Cap is only for No 3 Dress (Ribbons, no Sam Browne or White belt), so my assumption is that it would be an optional item, either kitted out at initial issue and then purchased for replacements, or bought through Logistik Unicorps.

- Berets are the default that everyone keeps circling back to. There seems to be an understanding that everyone that has a distinct beret will keep wearing it with this new Service Dress, but that makes things weird for everyone else pushing for the Forage Cap option.

-Kilted folks will continue to be the anomaly with what they put on their head, and no one in Army G1 wants to touch that with a 10 ft caber.

As the CCA has signed his approval to the design and wearing of the uniform as per the slide show, I am happy this is moving from "concept" to "kit out complete date established" within a year and a half.

I'll buy a lifetime supply of whatever they drink if someone in Army G1 tosses the kilts out completely and just makes everyone wear pants.

I'll put their kids through college if they make all the infantry wear the same cap badge, though that one's just for shits and giggles.

 

[markppcli]

No, I just think they look ridiculous.

Then again, I don't think I've ever met a gunner with any fashion sense, so it checks out.

Well the forage cap helps break up the otherwise spherical build of most AIGs.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Maybe the navy needs to trial a uniform that is mixture of square rig and fore and aft.

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Oh god that's gross.

 

[PrairieFella]

Was looking over those slides this afternoon. It looks sharp, and from what I can tell from the CADCC RoD, the decision on Forage, Service, and Beret is something each specific corps will hammer out.

My educated guess based on some of the implied rumblings:

-Forage Cap will be a game time decision for individual Corps/Regiments. I believe the RRCA is leading the charge on this one, however, I am curious what the rest of the Corps fell toward this initiative; in that the Armoured Corps will ignore the initiative and go with Berets regardless and the 3 Reg F infantry Regiments seem to be apathetic to the whole thing.

-Peaked Service Cap is only for No 3 Dress (Ribbons, no Sam Browne or White belt), so my assumption is that it would be an optional item, either kitted out at initial issue and then purchased for replacements, or bought through Logistik Unicorps.

- Berets are the default that everyone keeps circling back to. There seems to be an understanding that everyone that has a distinct beret will keep wearing it with this new Service Dress, but that makes things weird for everyone else pushing for the Forage Cap option.

-Kilted folks will continue to be the anomaly with what they put on their head, and no one in Army G1 wants to touch that with a 10 ft caber.

As the CCA has signed his approval to the design and wearing of the uniform as per the slide show, I am happy this is moving from "concept" to "kit out complete date established" within a year and a half.

Funny on the RCAC point, last I heard it'll be up to the Regiments to determine the quirks of their uniforms, hats included. Did this change recently?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Funny on the RCAC point, last I heard it'll be up to the Regiments to determine the quirks of their uniforms, hats included. Did this change recently?

This was just my WAG from deciphering the CADCC minutes.

I believe it is still up to individual Regiments and Corps to decide, however, who pays for it and if its part of the larger project... that is still unclear

 

[daftandbarmy]

Also is it just me or is the Officer footwear brown (like belt and gloves) and the NCM footwear black?

Seems like a stupid British differentiation.

FTFY.

That's the standard in the British Army, so we know that OP COPYCAT is getting it right, all the way down to the Sam Browne etc.

Upside? I have a pair of highly polished brown shoes I will never, ever wear again.

 

[Rifleman62]

The PPCLI were private military contractors before it was cool . Being "unique" is part of it's heritage and identity.

On a very recent battlefield tour the owner, who was the tour conductor, said the reason the PPCLI were in this particular battle was because they were Militia!

I attempted to correct him, but being an arrogant Brit, he just cut me off and ignored me.

After our tour he was running a tour for the CF Staff Collage.

Worst tour I have been on.

 

[Kilted]

I'll buy a lifetime supply of whatever they drink if someone in Army G1 tosses the kilts out completely and just makes everyone wear pants.

I'll put their kids through college if they make all the infantry wear the same cap badge, though that one's just for shits and giggles.

To be fair, it's going to be a lot cheaper to change the Scottish regiments over to the new uniform, it's a jacket shirt and tie.

 

[dapaterson]

To be fair, it's going to be a lot cheaper to change the Scottish regiments over to the new uniform, it's a jacket shirt and tie.

Jackets all need to be specifically tailored to wear with a kilt.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Jackets all need to be specifically tailored to wear with a kilt.

... except they have specific doublet cuts in the system for kilted regiments...

 

[OldSolduer]

On a very recent battlefield tour the owner, who was the tour conductor, said the reason the PPCLI were in this particular battle was because they were Militia!

I attempted to correct him, but being an arrogant Brit, he just cut me off and ignored me.

The Patricias were privately raised by Hamilton Gault who put up $100,000 at the time. The Orignals consisted of 1049 all ranks - the majority of them had served in other armies.
Militia? Bah

 

[frixiedust]

I think the JTF2 issue is a red herring. There's an operational need for them to blend into ordinary society on occasion. It's not a matter of style affectation. They have a completely different set of individuals who are self motivated and develop their expertise in a completely different way then the average young soldier coming in off the street.

Building self discipline has a variety of components - dress, deportment and pride in ones appearance and unit is just a very few of them.

And with that I'm on to other things.

I'm super late to this thread party, but I'm doing an undergrad thesis on CAF uniforms, so I'm "researching". Ref JTF2 blending into ordinary society, I have to laugh. SOF has a "look" that stands out even in civies. Maybe someone should tell them they don't have to wear tactical pants all the time. I saw a bunch of guys walking down Wellington St in Ottawa recently. They had passes on and were heading into a building across from parliament. Every one of them looked like every JTF2 person I've met. Sometimes, the more one tries to obfuscate something, the more it stands out. Maybe they should just get regular haircuts.

I'm also rather hoping by the time I read through to the recent posts that people have realised haircuts and nail polish didn't collapse civilisation.

 

[frixiedust]

A new Land 'CA' DEU is long overdue, however it would be interesting to know how many CA members actually wear theirs more than a handful of times per year. I'm guess'timating under 10%.

...and even then, how many folks who wear DEUs on a daily basis ever rock their service jacket 'tunic' in cubicle-land?

More often than you'd think since cubicle lands (like NDHQ) are also where a lot of ceremonies and events happen that call for 1As. Since the tunic with medals instead of ribbons is all it takes to go from DEU 3 orders to DEU 1A, it's quite common for people to have their tunics in a suit bag in the locker at their cubicle.

 

[Furniture]

More often than you'd think since cubicle lands (like NDHQ) are also where a lot of ceremonies and events happen that call for 1As. Since the tunic with medals instead of ribbons is all it takes to go from DEU 3 orders to DEU 1A, it's quite common for people to have their tunics in a suit bag in the locker at their cubicle.

Now that we are wearing operational dress in the NCR, the usefulness of No. 3 orders of dress has diminished greatly.

Perhaps, if the CAF wants to continue to have No 3 orders of dress, they should modernize it away from being No 1s, but without medals. Perhaps make it from comfortable and low maintence materials, in a comfortable cut.

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Now that we are wearing operational dress in the NCR, the usefulness of No. 3 orders of dress has diminished greatly.

This is a bug that may remain a feature.

The swap from No. 3s to Operational Dress in the NCR was made because LU has depleted stock of the former style of Army DEU while they retool and stock the new Canadian Army Service Dress. As the RCAF and RCN would be disadvantaged in being required to wear No. 3s while the CA pers wore Operational Dress, it became an "all for one" decision.

If this remains after the new Canadian Army Service Dress is in full role out, that remains to be seen.

Perhaps, if the CAF wants to continue to have No 3 orders of dress, they should modernize it away from being No 1s, but without medals. Perhaps make it from comfortable and low maintence materials, in a comfortable cut.

So a Garrison Dress?

Kidding aside, I think we overuse operational dress and underuse No. 3 Dress. There is no reason why in Garrison we wear the asses out of the most expensive clothing we wear because we cannot be arsed to wear business attire.

The fact that we turned business attire into a "once or twice a year" parade uniform due to discomfort and ahitty material is another issue entirely.

 

[Furniture]

This is a bug that may remain a feature.

The swap from No. 3s to Operational Dress in the NCR was made because LU has depleted stock of the former style of Army DEU while they retool and stock the new Canadian Army Service Dress. As the RCAF and RCN would be disadvantaged in being required to wear No. 3s while the CA pers wore Operational Dress, it became an "all for one" decision.

If this remains after the new Canadian Army Service Dress is in full role out, that remains to be seen.

The RCN has switched away from No 3s for shore units in Esquimalt as well, so I suspect there is more than just the CA's DEU shortages at play.

So a Garrison Dress?

Kidding aside, I think we overuse operational dress and underuse No. 3 Dress. There is no reason why in Garrison we wear the asses out of the most expensive clothing we wear because we cannot be arsed to wear business attire.

I wore No 4 "Work Dress" for the first few years I was in. It was dropped to simplify our orders of dress, and because it didn't look "military" enough.

The fact that we turned business attire into a "once or twice a year" parade uniform due to discomfort and ahitty material is another issue entirely.

I suspect the shittiness of the uniforms is exactly why it has been relegated to being used only a few times a year. If we had a "service" dress that wasn't miserable to wear, people wouldn't object to wearing it so much.

 

[FSTO]

This is a bug that may remain a feature.

The swap from No. 3s to Operational Dress in the NCR was made because LU has depleted stock of the former style of Army DEU while they retool and stock the new Canadian Army Service Dress. As the RCAF and RCN would be disadvantaged in being required to wear No. 3s while the CA pers wore Operational Dress, it became an "all for one" decision.

If this remains after the new Canadian Army Service Dress is in full role out, that remains to be seen.


So a Garrison Dress?

Kidding aside, I think we overuse operational dress and underuse No. 3 Dress. There is no reason why in Garrison we wear the asses out of the most expensive clothing we wear because we cannot be arsed to wear business attire.

The fact that we turned business attire into a "once or twice a year" parade uniform due to discomfort and shitty material is another issue entirely.

But I like wearing PJs to work.......