US Presidential Election 2020

[Brad Sallows]

What good would another impeachment do?  The Senate controls removal, and the required 2/3 majority is constitutional - it isn't a rule the Senate decides for itself.

 

[mariomike]

But what if he doesn’t? 

He's not going anywhere. Even if he did, he can make a deal with New York State and the Manhattan D A.

What he has to negotiate with is a peaceful transition of power. Freedom for peace.

It will be an offer President-elect Biden can not refuse. It would be up to New York State. But, my uneducated guess is they would play ball with Joe.

That is of course only if the unthinkable were to happen, and "the dems" win the electoral college.

I do not see that happening.

Either way. Win or lose. I see the election as a win-win for Trump.

That's just my  :2c:

 

[Remius]

What good would another impeachment do?  The Senate controls removal, and the required 2/3 majority is constitutional - it isn't a rule the Senate decides for itself.

Do you really believe for one second that the democrats won’t attempt to impeach again especially if the have control of both houses?  Or worse they actually get a majority that i an get a few of those never Trumpers on board?

 

[Remius]

He's not going anywhere. Even if he did, he can make a deal with New York State and the Manhattan D A.

What he has to negotiate with is a peaceful transition of power. Freedom for peace.

It will be an offer President-elect Biden can not refuse. It would be up to New York State. But, my uneducated guess is they would play ball with Joe.

That is of course only if the unthinkable were to happen, and "the dems" win the electoral college.

I do not see that happening.

Either way. Win or lose. I see the election as a win-win for Trump.

That's just my  :2c:

You may very well be right.  I’ve said before that the polls are closer than they are reporting.  It will be a tight race and we may not actually know who won for weeks.

Last time I was pretty sure he was going to win.  Clinton was just not likeable enough to get the vote out.  This time though there are too many new factors for me to even hazard a concrete guess.

A lot of people don’t dislike Biden enough to not vote for him.  Trump apparently has people that didn’t even vote last time that will show up for him. 

Win or lose the next four years won’t be smooth for either of them.

 

[Brad Sallows]

>Do you really believe for one second that the democrats won’t attempt to impeach again especially if the have control of both houses?  Or worse they actually get a majority that i an get a few of those never Trumpers on board?

They might.  But they will also have to ask if their impeachment quest was one of the little things, which when added together, got Trump re-elected (he'd have to be, to be impeached).  And that might prompt them to ask whether impeachment might cost them control in the next midterms.

A Senate Never-Trumper in a safe seat might be convinced.  But part of each Republican senator's calculation will have to be to ask whether the voters in his own state will turn against him.  Regardless, I don't see a 2/3 majority in the cards if Trump has held the presidency for Republicans and continues to pick judges with the Federalist Society's help.  For those who can look past Twitter and other outbursts, most of what happens in the Trump administration is Republican minions quietly pushing Republican policies, while Democrats remain distracted by Twitter and other outbursts.

 

[Good2Golf]

That OpEd from Wapo is so rife with propaganda it doesn't even warrant a response. 

Other than your response here....

 

[dimsum]

That OpEd from Wapo is so rife with propaganda it doesn't even warrant a response.  This is the dying gasp of a corrupt establishment.  What is stunning is the media and political establishment's corruption. 

Wait, you mean Trump hasn't drained the swamp? 

 

[Good2Golf]

Wait, you mean Trump hasn't drained the swamp?

He just needs another near half decade... :

 

[QV]

The choice is Trump and the US as we know it, or Biden and the complete sell out of the free west via China and the radical left.

Canada is already well down that path with the Trudeau liberals, the destruction of Canada's largest economic contributor the O&G industry, socialist agendas, capitulation to China.  And when Trudeau gets a majority next election (with the help of the lost NDP/Green voters and the split on the right via PPC) it could be the final nail in the coffin of what was once a great nation. 

Or is a Trump presidency the only thing left that could save or slow the demise of Canada?  How could a second term Trump America handle a Trudeau majority governed Canada?

 

[blacktriangle]

The choice is Trump and the US as we know it, or Biden and the complete sell out of the free west via China and the radical left.

Canada is already well down that path with the Trudeau liberals, the destruction of Canada's largest economic contributor the O&G industry, socialist agendas, capitulation to China.  And when Trudeau gets a majority next election (with the help of the lost NDP/Green voters and the split on the right via PPC) it could be the final nail in the coffin of what was once a great nation. 

Or is a Trump presidency the only thing left that could save or slow the demise of Canada?  How could a second term Trump America handle a Trudeau majority governed Canada?

If all that is true though, what makes either country (US or Canada) so great and worth saving? Perhaps China is just better and has what it takes to survive, whereas we do not?

 

[mariomike]

Or is a Trump presidency the only thing left that could save or slow the demise of Canada? 

Maybe not all Canadians have the same opinion as you, QV?

My predictability does  become apparent when the Trump toxin spreads to Canadian topics.

..... if people would stop trying to drag Canada into the alt-garbage world -- in this, and other, threads. 

 

[Brad Sallows]

"demise of ..."

The situation is rarely that dire, and is not that dire right now.  The worst that happens is usually just a sh!tty (slow growth) economy and a reduction in PPP (purchasing power parity).

 

[dimsum]

The choice is Trump and the US as we know it, or Biden and the complete sell out of the free west via China and the radical left.

...because the US as we know it in Oct 2020 is just peachy.

 

[OldSolduer]

...because the US as we know it in Oct 2020 is just peachy.

It ain't very pretty is it?  :facepalm:

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Like all things US, it really depends where you live, the majority of the issues are located in certain areas, mostly certain big cities, the rest of the country is just carrying on.

 

[mariomike]

Like all things US, it really depends where you live, the majority of the issues are located in certain areas, mostly certain big cities, the rest of the country is just carrying on.

Couple things appear different now. The demonstrations seem to be interracial - African Americans joined by Asian Americans, Latinx and Whites. Marching together. Rather than facing off against each other.

Seems to be more solidarity, and less racial division.

The geography looks different too. Used to be contained mostly to Black neighbourhoods. What I see on TV is demostrations have spread to wealthy suburban areas such as Rodeo Drive in Beverly Hills and Santa Monica.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Wherever the money drives the buses...

 

[mariomike]

...because the US as we know it in Oct 2020 is just peachy.

If comparing the last four years to the eight years preceding,

Protests against Barack Obama 2008 - 2016.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Barack_Obama

Protests against Donald Trump 2016 - 2020
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_Donald_Trump

Timeline of protests against Donald Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_protests_against_Donald_Trump

 

[Infanteer]

I've always thought Nate Silver's data-focused news site was worth reading.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/8-tips-to-stay-sane-in-the-final-15-days-of-the-campaign/

8 Tips To Stay Sane In The Final 15 Days Of The Campaign

1. Keep the context of the COVID-19 pandemic in mind.
2. Don’t assume the race is in the bag for Biden.
3. But also don’t buy the narrative that “polling is broken.”
4. Don’t get too obsessed with comparisons to 2016.
5. Don’t pay much attention to individual polls; wait for polling averages to move.
6. Beware talk of “October surprises.” They’re usually overhyped.
7. Don’t read too much into the campaigns’ behavior.
8. Don’t get carried away with early voting data.

 

[dimsum]

I've always thought Nate Silver's data-focused news site was worth reading.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/8-tips-to-stay-sane-in-the-final-15-days-of-the-campaign/

8 Tips To Stay Sane In The Final 15 Days Of The Campaign

1. Keep the context of the COVID-19 pandemic in mind.
2. Don’t assume the race is in the bag for Biden.
3. But also don’t buy the narrative that “polling is broken.”
4. Don’t get too obsessed with comparisons to 2016.
5. Don’t pay much attention to individual polls; wait for polling averages to move.
6. Beware talk of “October surprises.” They’re usually overhyped.
7. Don’t read too much into the campaigns’ behavior.
8. Don’t get carried away with early voting data.

I don't think people will believe it's in the bag for anyone.  2016 showed the error of assuming that it was decided already.