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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2019, 18:13:53 »
I think Rempel and Bergen are much like Pollievre, they are great antagonizers for the opposition, but I don't think any of them is truly a "leader." They are much better as followers. Because of the roles they've played as antagonizers I just don't see them as having the gravitas to be a Prime Minister.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2019, 08:09:46 »
..... I just don't see them as having the gravitas to be a Prime Minister.
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I can list several political leaders (and media talking heads) who fail massively at ticking that box;  I fear that quality has been beaten to death.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2019, 08:17:24 »
I think we all know who we truly want.


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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2019, 10:47:55 »
Lol.  Yeah...

What are people's thoughts on Doug Ford making the leap? 

Is there anything stopping from running for the party leadership while still serving as Premier (but stepping down if won of course).

The timing might be right when you think about it. 

Trudeau wins.  Scheer steps down.  An interim leader is chosen.  A new leadership race just before Ford has to declare a provincial election and takes the helm.

I was hoping the Mulroney would be ready for a federal leadership run but she was a lame duck at the provincial level and her being linked to eth Franco issue in Ontario likely makes her unelectable federally.

Ambrose if she comes back for me or MacKay.  The rest either are not electable or have issues of their own.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2019, 12:48:39 »
Doubtful.  In the current social/political milieu, parties of the left and centre-left will have to tread very carefully when criticizing any CPC candidate who is not "white" and "male".

I daresay you underestimate Liberal hypocrisy.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2019, 12:51:54 »
  :rofl:

I can list several political leaders (and media talking heads) who fail massively at ticking that box;  I fear that quality has been beaten to death.

Fair point, no one can be sure how much it's required anymore in our celebrity-obsessed culture. But they also don't really have celebrity status to plug that hole with either...
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2019, 14:13:52 »
Lol.  Yeah...

What are people's thoughts on Doug Ford making the leap? 

Is there anything stopping from running for the party leadership while still serving as Premier (but stepping down if won of course).

The timing might be right when you think about it. 

Trudeau wins.  Scheer steps down.  An interim leader is chosen.  A new leadership race just before Ford has to declare a provincial election and takes the helm.

I was hoping the Mulroney would be ready for a federal leadership run but she was a lame duck at the provincial level and her being linked to eth Franco issue in Ontario likely makes her unelectable federally.

Ambrose if she comes back for me or MacKay.  The rest either are not electable or have issues of their own.

I agree with all of the above. I find most of Ford's moves since becoming Premier are "scary Trump lite." I was surprised to see signs in the media recently that he may be thinking of a move in the direction of PM. Hell becoming a populist Premier worked out pretty good let's go for the big one.

As for poor Mulroney she sold her soul to Ford over his moves in the Ontario Franco issue.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2019, 18:00:48 »
I don't think Scheer will implode.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2019, 18:36:13 »
I'll stick with Scheer, for now. Too late to change him out, even though that worked for Ford. We're stuck with the devils we know going into this election.

Are there better? Who knows, he hasn't won yet, we have no idea how he'll be as a PM.

Enough believed trudeau to get him elected and look at what a disaster that turned out to be.

Scheer would need to be dead to do worse. Mind, a dead person could do better than trudeau is doing now.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2019, 19:12:36 »
The writer buried the MP's name until the end of the story. Why would that be ? Celina Caesar-Chavannes could no longer support the Liberal Party.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/in-fresh-blow-to-canada-pm-trudeau-lawmaker-quits-his-caucus/ar-BBV1IQZ?ocid=spartanntp

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2019, 20:23:53 »
One advantage of Scheer is that he is very Mundane and since we unelect governments, being mundane might be a good thing. The Liberals have had a hard time making him look scary and since he does not appeal to Large C Conservatives, he may appeal to the undecided crowd who are the real electors of governments.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #36 on: April 21, 2019, 14:26:03 »
http://338canada.com/?fbclid=IwAR0gkT-hqeljaBLWc-MCnEPrh0jGlqxUUcoNRgnmk9GlFVcCyVaTh5QDxcA

This is pretty sad... now that SNC-Lavellin has been out of the news for what, 2 weeks? The CPC lead has shrank again to only 3.5%... you can see the graph, it's been entirely lost to the Liberals.

I agree with Colin's post about Scheer being mundane might work to his advantage, but that is very much relying on the Liberals to continually step on their own genitals... it's like he has no ability to influence the electorate one way or another and is just along for the ride like the rest of us.

That said the seat projections are at least showing a healthy buffer if he can just hang on.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2019, 15:17:40 »
http://338canada.com/?fbclid=IwAR0gkT-hqeljaBLWc-MCnEPrh0jGlqxUUcoNRgnmk9GlFVcCyVaTh5QDxcA

This is pretty sad... now that SNC-Lavellin has been out of the news for what, 2 weeks? The CPC lead has shrank again to only 3.5%... you can see the graph, it's been entirely lost to the Liberals.

I agree with Colin's post about Scheer being mundane might work to his advantage, but that is very much relying on the Liberals to continually step on their own genitals... it's like he has no ability to influence the electoate one way or another and is just along for the ride like the rest of us.

That sad the seat projections are at least showing a healthy buffer if he can just hang on.

Pretty much.  I know plenty of people who would vote conservative but they will likely either stay home or vote for someone else as long as Scheer is the leader.  Myself included.  I’m still undecided and plenty of time for Trudeau to get caught eating kittens but for now Scheer isn’t really doing it for me.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2019, 15:44:29 »
http://338canada.com/?fbclid=IwAR0gkT-hqeljaBLWc-MCnEPrh0jGlqxUUcoNRgnmk9GlFVcCyVaTh5QDxcA

This is pretty sad... now that SNC-Lavellin has been out of the news for what, 2 weeks? The CPC lead has shrank again to only 3.5%... you can see the graph, it's been entirely lost to the Liberals.

I agree with Colin's post about Scheer being mundane might work to his advantage, but that is very much relying on the Liberals to continually step on their own genitals... it's like he has no ability to influence the electoate one way or another and is just along for the ride like the rest of us.

That sad the seat projections are at least showing a healthy buffer if he can just hang on.

The VAdm Norman affair is still waiting in the wings, so to speak.  If this all starts to unravel for the Liberals in the courtroom, as its scheduled, I personally think it will be bigger than the SNC boondoggle.

 
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2019, 08:17:48 »
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  I’m still undecided and plenty of time for Trudeau to get caught eating kittens but for now Scheer isn’t really doing it for me.
If you still need convincing that Trudeau shouldn't be PM I doubt him eating kittens is going to phase you  ;)
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2019, 08:37:18 »
If you still need convincing that Trudeau shouldn't be PM I doubt him eating kittens is going to phase you  ;)

He certainly deserves to be ousted.  But I’m not convinced that the other options are any better.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2019, 09:04:03 »
He certainly deserves to be ousted.  But I’m not convinced that the other options are any better.

What has Scheer done to convince you he would be a worse choice for PM than the other option(s) ?

I concur to his being more "mundane", but flashy socks, virtue signalling, and dress up displays hardly provide depth to the other option. 
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2019, 10:03:09 »
What has Scheer done to convince you he would be a worse choice for PM than the other option(s) ?

I concur to his being more "mundane", but flashy socks, virtue signalling, and dress up displays hardly provide depth to the other option.

I didn’t say worse.  Just not any better.

A few things come to mind.  Most Canadians don’t see him as the head of the conservatives party.  A good chunk think Doug Ford is.  That is telling.

Also, he has the same tune every time.  Everything is a scandal everything needs an investigation and calls for one all the time.  So when something like the SNC Lavalin scandal comes up.  Something that should be investigated it rings hollow from him because he’s been crying wolf on the mundane stuff.  When he call for the pm to step down it sounds like the same tune he always has.  So some voters like me roll our eyes when he does call for resignations and investigations. 

I don’t think he’s been very effective as an opposition leader.  It makes me wonder how effectively he might be as a leader of the government. 

Campaigns matter.  My decision will be formed during the campaign when I can see what all parties have to offer.  My suspicion though is that it might boil down to my choice for MP.  I’d rather see someone else leading the Liberals just as much as I’d rather see someone else leading the CPC. But we have what we have.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2019, 12:38:06 »
Ironic.  If the leader is strong-willed and/or flashy, we end up with a handful of people in the PMO running the entire show.  If the leader is mundane and seems to be a "grey man" who might be just the thing to decentralize authority in parliament a little, we don't want him.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2019, 12:44:12 »
Ironic.  If the leader is strong-willed and/or flashy, we end up with a handful of people in the PMO running the entire show.  If the leader is mundane and seems to be a "grey man" who might be just the thing to decentralize authority in parliament a little, we don't want him.

True.  But I have no doubt that Scheer would exert as much control in the PMO as Harper did.  I suspect it is needed in that job one way or another.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2019, 12:45:13 »
I didn’t say worse.  Just not any better.

Is there actually a point where you would vote for Scheer instead of Trudeau?

If so what would Trudeau actually have to do to get you to that point?
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2019, 12:51:02 »
Is the requirement for a leader to take the country in a particular direction of her/his choosing or is it for a manager that will permit the country to go in the directions that it chooses?

As to having a grip on the PMO, the staff of the Prime Minister's Office, I would hope that the Prime Minister would be gripping the staff.

Now should the PM be gripping parliament, or should parliament be gripping the PM?  That is the existential, and fundamental fight at the heart of the way our country is run.  I hope that I never see the day that that fight ends.

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2019, 12:58:09 »
Is there actually a point where you would vote for Scheer instead of Trudeau?

If so what would Trudeau actually have to do to get you to that point?


Not sure.  I am at a point where I don’t want to vote for Trudeau.  That hasn’t translated in to me wanting to vote for  Scheer. 

Something many undecided are grappling with.

Like I said, it may boil down to my MP.  Or how the campaign goes.
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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2019, 14:22:59 »
I'm not sure blaming Scheer for a potential Liberal win in the election makes sense. As unhappy as I am with Trudeau government, I'm not sure that the Conservatives have actually provided a reason to vote for them. In my case no candidate/party will receive my vote that does not have a serious plan regarding climate change(as judged by me). At this time that precludes me from voting for the Conservatives regardless who their leader is or the performance of Trudeau

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Re: CPC Leadership Potentials if Scheer Implodes
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2019, 14:40:37 »
Cancelling the carbon tax is justification enough for me to vote for them. The Tories are the only main party to commit to cancelling it.

As for a serious climate change plan, do you realize that if we cut our emissions in half (ignoring the massive forests that absorb our CO2 anyway), we'll change global emissions by a paltry 0.7% but completely devastate our economy in the process? The only short/medium term climate plan that makes any sense is federal funding to replace all Coal generating stations with nuclear power. That would cut our emissions by 60 megatonnes, or just under 10% of our total emissions. That number goes up to 80 megatonnes if we replace the natural gas stations with nuclear as well. Conveniently, that would put us on track to meet the Paris Accord commitment of 30% below 2005 levels by 2030, with time to spare as a nuclear plant takes approx 60 months (quick Google research) to build and turn on.

The Liberals have failed on their keystone platform of "climate change", with the Liberals even getting further behind every year they're in office: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/canada-further-from-paris-targets-than-last-year-new-projections-show