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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2001, 19:17:00 »
"don‘t know were the 2 comes from because there is only one"

Are you so sure about this...?  Just because something isn‘t general knowledge doesn‘t mean it doesn‘t (or perhaps didn‘t? I‘ll let you be the judge) exist.
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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2001, 21:46:00 »
Yes, Canada only has one "JTF". The 2 comes from the fact that it‘s the second JTF that Canada has had.  The first JTF was made up of RCMP.  The second (2) was activated in 1993 when the CF officially took over from the RCMP.
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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2001, 22:14:00 »
what is JFT made up of? Infantry? Sailors? Pilots? All?
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2001, 22:51:00 »
Truck and vehicule drivers, chopper and plane pilots and logic says it must be primarly infantry.I‘d rather have an infantryman do an infantryman‘s job than having a submariner doing an infantryman‘s job.Like we say, there‘s a proper tool for each job.Tough I believe i read DND papers on the application for JTF-2(if its from DND)saying that anyone that has more than 3 years of service might apply (anyone that has a recommandation from his officer that is).I‘m not sure about that so if anyone has more info pls correct me.  :)

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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2001, 11:01:00 »
Members can come from anywhere in the CF, but must have a minimum of two years service.  The job is definatly not that of the infantry; the JTF is a very different organization with a very different role.  It also employs specialists with very un-infantry skills and training.

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2001, 15:10:00 »
JOINT TASK FORCE TWO (JTF 2) PERSONNEL SECTION 98/99
CANFORGEN 102/98 ADM(HR-MIL) 066 060952Z Oct 98 The following text is a repeat of the Ref. Quote.
1. Intro: JTF 2 is the CF Unit responsible for federal level counter-terrorist/hostage rescue operations. This mandate demand personnel who possess very specific personal attributes and capabilities and who can be trained to perform a diverse range of unique tactics, techniques and skills
2. The Unit is comprised of three categories(cat) of employment: a) Cat A - special operations assaulters (ASLTRS) who are directly employable in the tactical aspects of counter-terrorist/hostage rescue and other high value tasks. This Cat is open to both genders of any MOC and any rank from pte - Maj. They must be volunteers and are selected based on the successful completion of a selection process and the special operations assaulter course (SOAC) b) Cat B - consists of personnel who are employable in CBT SP tasks during JTF 2 Ops. This Cat is comprised of two groups as fols:
(1) Mobility - this is a recently established group tasked with tactical mobility and other CBT SP tasks (eg. Fire sp). Mbrs receive skills trg in JTF 2 which will incl high speed tactical operation of a variety of vehs and watercraft plus extensive trg with crew served and pers wpns. The Unit is actively seeking volunteers for this dynamic new role which is open to both genders of any MOC and any rank from pte - WO. Cat B (mobility) mbrs must be volunteers and are selected based on the successful completion of a new selection process (commencing 1999) and successful completion of the skills trg.
(2) Specialists - selected technical specialists who provide specialty skills, which are directly related to their MOC. Cat B(specialists) are volunteers or those identified and recommended by their CO‘s and career managers and are selected based on their superior trade skills. A review of their career and pers profiles and a personal interview conducted by JTF 2. It is emphasized that these Cat B(specialists) are screened and selected as per Cat C below.
(3) Cat C - consists of service support pers who are selected from regular force MOCs to fulfill JTF 2 support requirements. Mbrs are selected from those who volunteer and those personnel identified and recommended by CO‘s and career managers for service in JTF2. A review of their career and pers profiles and an interview JTF 2 will be conducted.
3. JTF 2 will commence screening CF volunteers for Cat A and B(mobility)-repeat Cat B(mobility)in Nov 98. Pre-requisites are as fols: a) med category - 32225 b) mbr must have a min of 3 years svc and be eligible for a second basic engagement(be) prior to commencement of phase iv skills trg c) reservists must be prepared to commit to a four year pd of svc prior to commencement of phase iv skills trg.
4. The screening, selection and trg process for Cat A and Cat B(mobility) is as fols: a) phase i - initial application at Unit level (1) mbr volunteers through his/her chain of comd (2) mbr undergoes PT test (coopers test) which must be administered by PSP staff at a CF gym. Min std for the PT test is as fols: i) 1 1/2 mile run - 11 minutes or less ii) pushups (no rest stops) - min 40 iii) situps (1 minute ) - min 40 iv) overhand, straightarm chinups - min 5 v) bench press(4 inches from chest to full arm extension - 1 press) - min 65kg
Note: the overall test scoring is based on an aggregate point system. Historically nobody with a total score of less than 75 points has ever successfully completed the Cat A selection process. ie. Achieving the bare minimum standard in each exercise as indicated above will not be sufficient to attain those 75 points. The fitness levels required for Cat B(mobility) employment are presently being identified but as a general guideline mbrs should be able to achieve at least 65 points. PSP reps at CF gyms will be able to brief interested mbrs on the Cooper tests scoring system or mbrs may contact the recruiting WO at the number provided below. (3) unit co fwds letter to dhtc ottawa/ci//verifying: i) the volunteers particulars ii) which Cat(A or B)is being applied for iii) that he/she has met the basic criteria as set out above, and iv) provides a recommendation based on the mbrs job performance, overall character, and details of any fin, disciplinary, pers, admin issues that might affect suitability (4) accompanying the letter must be a copy of the mbrs ASAP and NLT 5 working days prior to the commencement of DHTC screening team visits to respective CF bases as detailed below (6) no financial commitment to be made at this stage a) phase ii - regional screening (7) JTF 2 teams will visit the fol CF bases on dates indicated to conduct phase ii screening i) team 1 - Esquimalt 23-24 Nov, Comox 26-27 Nov ii) team 2 - Edmonton 23-24 Nov, Cold Lake 26-27 Nov iii) team 3 - Winnipeg 23-24 Nov, Shilo 26-27 Nov iv) team 4 - Petawawa 23-24 Nov, Kingston 26-27 Nov v) team 5 - Trenton 23-24 Nov, Borden 26-27 Nov vi) team 6 - St-Jjean 23 Nov, Valcartier 24-25 Nov, Bagotville 27 Nov vii) team 7 - Gagetown 23-24 Nov, Halifax 26-27 Nov viii) Dwyer Hill Trg Centre/Ottawa - 23 Nov (8) screening will be conducted in the respective base gyms and will include an introductory unit brief(20-30 minutes), the physical fitness test, a diagnostic test to assess IQ/spacial recognition, and an interview (9) mbrs will be required during the screening interview to authorize the initiation of a criminal background check which will be administered through military police channels and the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) (10) applicants travelling to CF bases for phase ii screening will be auth TD costs on case by case basis as Coord through DHTC trg clk (11) the data gathered during the phase ii screening is reviewed by a board at DHTC. Units will be informed by msg which applicants have been selected to progress onto phase iii c) phase iii - selection process (1) Cat A - suitable applicants will be invited to attend a six day selection process (plus three days admin)to be conducted at DHTC in Ottawa as fols: i) serial 9901 : 32 candidates 07-15 feb 99 ii) serial 9902 : 32 candidates 21 feb-01 mar 99 iii) serial 9903 : 32 candidates (all off candidates will attend this serial) 07-15 mar. Successful off will remain for part 2 of the off selection which will be completed by 18 mar 99 (2) Cat B(mobility) repeat Cat B(mobility) - suitable applicants (up to 32 candidates)will be invited to attend a six day selection process (plus three days admin) to be conducted at DHTC in Ottawa during the pd 21-29 mar 99 (3) both selection processes are designed to assess if candidates are likely to succeed during the phase iv trg and assess if they possess the personal attributes reqr for their respective Cat A or B role. These selection processes are demanding and push candidates to their physical and mental limits. (4) candidates will undergo endurance runs of up to 10 km in PT kit interspersed with circuit trg stands every 200 - 500m(eg. Push-ups, sit-ups, squat thrusts, dips, fireman and deadman lifts, wind sprints, skipping). Mbrs must complete runs with their peer group within a reasonable fixed time margin (5) mbrs undergo phobia tests for water, heights and confined spaces (6) individual and group tasks assess the candidates psychological profile, interpersonal skills, problem solving skills (7) mbrs must negotiate various obstacle courses dressed in PT strip or burdened with cbt clothing, boots, helmet and other eqpt. These assess physical dexterity /agility / strength /coordination /speed and accuracy of reaction and power of recall (8) tests are conducted in high stress tactical settings to assess the mbrs ability to recall instructions, identify and react to threats, safely handle weapons and make decisions in dynamic environments while under physical and mental duress and to assess his/her ability to assimilate new skills (9) off selection is in two parts - part 1 the off will be reqr to successfully complete the six day process. Part 2 will assess the off organizational, analytical, communicative and presentation skills under continued physical and mental duress. (10) the decision to progress a candidate onto phase iv trg will be based on a review of his/her overall performance during the selection process. (11) successful candidates will be informed that they are loaded onto phase iv skills trg by msg and joining instr. (12) unsuccessful candidates will be informed by msg. (13) given the extensive resources expended during the screening and selection phases a candidate will only be allowed a max of three attempts at phase iii after which his/her application will not be considered again d) phase iv - skills trg (1) Cat A - those mbrs selected will be on restricted BTL posting to JTF 2 and will attend SOAC 9901 during the PD 12 Apr - 31 Oct 99. A HHT will be allowed in Jun 99 for students who pass certain critical performance objectives. Movement of DF and E will take place in Aug 99. (2) Cat B (mobility)- those mbrs selected for Cat B (mobility) posns will be on restricted posting to JTF 2 in May 99 and will undergo skills trg reqr for Cat B (mobility) employment. A HHT will be allowed in Jun 99 and movement of DF and E will take place in Aug 99
5. Cat A and B (mobility) mbrs can expect a fixed four year posting as an initial posting to JTF 2. Cat B(specialists) and Cat C mbrs can expect a normal 4 - 6 year posting.
6. JTF 2 will commence screening CF mbrs for Cat B(specialist) and Cat C in Nov 98 to fill MOC specific posns in Apr 99 a) volunteers for SP posn and those pers identified by CO‘s and career managers will have their files reviewed by JTF 2 to verify their suitability based on job performance, skills, qualifications and pers profiles. b) selected mbrs will be invited to DHTC for further screening which will consist of the coopers test (as a general guideline a min score of 55 points is desired), further evaluation of their trade /military skills and an interview. c) those mbrs invited to DHTC will be informed of their selection status. Successful mbrs will be informed and posting instrs will be coord through D MIL C.
7. Conclusion - the Op effectiveness of JTF 2 directly affects the interests of Canadian public safety and security and the fight against terrorism. The nature of its role demands intensive trg be continually conducted to ensure precision skills are honed to the finest extent possible. Mbrs must be operationally effective and ready to deploy at extremely short notice throughout their tour in JTF 2 - this environment results in a unique lifestyle and demands that the right people be selected for the job. JTF 2 provides an extremely challenging and rewarding career/life experience for its mbrs. The wealth of skills, knowledge and experience gained by JTF 2 mbrs serves to benefit not only the mbr but the CF as a whole.
8. With this in mind it is urged that any interest in volunteering for svc with JTF 2 be supported to the fullest extent possible.
9. Questions regarding JTF 2 screening and selection should be directed to the DHTC recruiting WO at pager (613)780-1214 . Unquote.
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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2001, 17:10:00 »
Selection is so hard that  I heard Green Berets and GIGN members failed.

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2001, 21:34:00 »
which sees more combat: infantry, or JFT2 (or whtever) ?
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2001, 00:14:00 »
I think that there was a military JTF to start with.  Now don‘t quote me on this, but if I remember correctly, JTF or JTFHQ is part our paper 1 Can Div in Kingston.  I distinctly remember during the psudeo-crisis of Y2K that JTFHQ in Kingston was the deployable HQ for OP ABACUS.  I believe that they are a deployable HQ, which can be quickly tasked, and deployed.  Anyone from Kingston know the straight skinny on this outfit, or if they are still around?

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2001, 11:18:00 »
Doug: was the RCMP anti-terrorist unit called the JTF?  It was my understanding that they when by a different name.

Mud Crawler: Do you mean "GSG9" and not "GIGN?"

sonkreel: the HQ to which you are refering was formed well after the ‘93 birthdate of the JTF2 and so could not be a JTF1.

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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2001, 22:43:00 »
In 1993 the Royal Canadian Mounted Police‘s (RCMP) SERT (Special Emergency Response Team) was disbanded, reportedly due to problems the officers had resolving the necessity to kill verses their desire to protect and save lives. This unit had been Canada‘s premier Counter-Terrorist unit. After their dissolution, the Canadian Armed Forces created a highly secretive unit (in April of 1993) reportedly called Joint Task Force Two. JTF-2 is Canada‘s new CT unit.

That JTFHQ was pretty much only for the OP ABACUS thing and bears absolutely no relation to JTF2.  JTFHQ was more to work jointly with the civil services(CIMIC) in the event of an "OP ABACUS" disaster.  I believe it still exists for this type of purpose.  Maybe this cell(JTFHQ) was in existence before we took over the RCMP‘s SERT duties and that‘s the real reason it‘s called JTF2?
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« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2001, 22:29:00 »
Doug:thx for the document, it was the one i was talking about.

Yard Ape:I meant GIGN, not GSG9.I read it somewhere though the guy who made the web page could be wrong and it could possibly be GSG9.Personnally i doubt it.I heard GSG9 training was REALLY hard.They have some sort of Mountain Training school for snipers and assaulters as well i believe.If you have any info on the GIGN/GSG9 thing, pls share it with me.

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2001, 22:51:00 »
The "GIGN" or "Groupe d‘Intervention Gendarmerie Nationale" is France‘s answer to the Counter-Terrorist demand, follow this link:

Groupe d‘Intervention Gendarmerie Nationale

While the "GSG-9" or "Grenzschutzgruppe 9" are Germany‘s solution for the same, follow this link:

Grenzschutzgruppe 9

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« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2001, 20:44:00 »
Ref: Donkreel.  JTFHQ has nothing to do with JTFII.  JTFHQ is the Cdn Army‘s Joint Task HQ which is staffed with officiers and supported by the Sigs Regt (used to be 1 Canadian Signals Regt).  It‘s a field unit designed to support the brass in operations and war.

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« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2001, 23:08:00 »
Just a few points of clarification so that this topic is not belaboured:

JTF: I am awaiting confirmation of what the original JTF was. Based upon my memory, I believe that the original JTF was comprised of the Canadian commitment to the Gulf in 1990.  I had the HQ sticker on my barrack box, it was a stylized tri-force like logo with some symbolism of the Sigs world representing the HQ and had a 90 emblazoned on it.  My memory is that this was the original JTF, if anyone KNOWS otherwise, please post or hopefully I get a response from the archives soon.

JTF 2: if anyone is not sure what their role is, checkout this unofficial site:
 http://www.specialoperations.com/foreign/Canada/default.html

SERT, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCM Police) Special Emergency Response Team (SERT), yes they were disbanded, and many rumours purporting various end solutions to their demise.  Realistically, it came down to a desire to expand their role within certain government circles.  

This came about after a lengthy analysis of the embassy attack that occurred in Ottawa.  It was not critical of the SERT, however an expanded role was identified for future requirements.  It came down to budgetary and fiscal reality.  The CF could easily absorb this new role in 93 dollars, where as the RCM Police would have been faced with serious operational implications as a result.

It was also recognized that soldiers playing cops and cops playing soldiers were inherently oxymoronic.  Who better to expand and train for the proposed role revision, the Canadian Forces.  

The regional/division RCM Police ERT function remains as do the OPP, Surete de Quebec and various other smaller dedicated police agency  versions.

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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2001, 18:44:00 »
Yah, I heard about that Gulf War thing.

Having a name like JTF2 could be for the same reason why the U.S. Navy SEAL Teams go 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8. In the 1980‘s there were only teams 1 to 5. Then SEAL Team 6 was created for the maritime CT role and SEAL Team 8 after that. The idea being to make the Soviets think there were more SEAL Teams then there actually were as no Team 7 existed. Now SEAL Team 6 is called Development Group or DEVGRP so they jump from 5 to 8.

However I think the Gulf War idea is more accurate. Although the name Joint Task Force 2 is a good one for concealing the units identity. Calling a unit Rangers or SEALs or the SAS kinda graps your attention. But of course, what the JTF 2is and does is common knowledge.

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2001, 20:13:00 »
What I think you had a sticker for 90 HQ&Sigs Sqn. That Op took place back in the days when it was the tradition to name each HQ&Sig Sqn for the year the Op stood up, 73 and 89 HQ&Sigs Sqns seem to pop into mind for instance.  This tradition obviously went out the window when multiple Ops per year started cropping up.
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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2001, 01:51:00 »
As indicated, the sticker was for the HQ, it was just something I described in the event anyone else had experience from this period and the visualization could jog their memory banks.

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2001, 19:05:00 »
Has JTF done any Ops anybody knows of here?
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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2001, 11:38:00 »
How much of a streach would it be to call Combat Divers a Special Forces?

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2001, 15:43:00 »
Well if they are specialy trained and do a special job I would call them special forces.
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« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2001, 22:36:00 »
I would not specifically call them "Special Forces" but rather elite within their trade.

Elites in general share common characteristics such as distinct dress, the acceptance of only volunteers and rigorous selection requirements which focus on physical fitness, endurance, self-discipline, motivation, initiative and aggression.

Eliot Cohen developed specific criteria which define elite units:

First, a unit becomes elite when it is perpetually assigned special or unusual missions: in particular, missions that are-or seem to be-extremely hazardous. For this reason airborne units have long been considered elite since parachuting is a particularly dangerous way of going into battle. Secondly, elite units conduct missions which require only a few men who must meet high standards of training and physical toughness, particularly the latter. Thirdly, an elite unit becomes elite only when it achieves a reputation-justified or not-for bravura and success. The rationalization for the existence of elites is primarily based on a requirement to field a highly trained force which is capable of performing tasks which require special training or is capable of conducting specific, and often unique operations. The nature of these tasks is considered so hazardous, that the inherent risk and danger involved, requires the use of exceptionally courageous and tough individuals.

There are lots of specialists out there in all the elements, like combat divers, clearance divers, IED qualified ammo techs, parachutists(those with Maroon berets), SAR techs, JTF.  The JTF, while definitely being an elite unit is probable the only one the can be referred to as special forces(buy international definition)
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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2001, 21:09:00 »
I found a good site with lots of info about JTF2 and airborn and stuff. The site is www.specialoperations.com/Foreign/Canada/default.html
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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2001, 14:57:00 »
What does one call an elite amoungst elites?  like a Pathfinder to a paratroop.  Both are elite, but one is more so.

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Re: Special Forces
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2001, 23:03:00 »
I‘d call it the best of the best. I didn‘t know Canada even had any paratroops let alone pathfinders! I know that we have some people that are trained to be paratroopers.
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