Liberal (Minority/Majority) Government 2025 - ???

[Halifax Tar]

Another casualty of Poilievres leadership.

Liberal MP to resign following car crash that caused ‘significant health issues’

With several byelections already pending, Prime Minister Mark Carney is expected to call another after Liberal MP Shaun Chen has announced his resignation.

www.ctvnews.ca

I think the score is actually 7-7 now if you include Guilbault.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The Liberal Party - and only the Liberal Party - doesn't have a mechanism for that.

Are you saying that the Liberal Party MP don’t have the ability to vote with the Opposition and bring down the government?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Are you saying that the Liberal Party MP don’t have the ability to vote with the Opposition and bring down the government?

Liberal MPs have that ability.

They have never shown that level of independence.

 

[ArmyRick]

Negative Nancy moment.

The Toronto Sun, which is NOT a youtube influencer or opinion outlet but it is in fact a NEWS outlet, hopefully that qualification satisfies some.

Brian Lilley offers up the views of an economist, who like me, tells you to pay attention to the house on fire and don't celebrate prematurely.

 

[Maxman1]

Are you saying that the Liberal Party MP don’t have the ability to vote with the Opposition and bring down the government?

That's very different from what you were saying earlier.

Their constitution doesn't allow them to remove the party leader outside of an election loss. A leader can only voluntarily resign.

 

[ArmyRick]

i mean the numbers keep getting lower and lower, polls are now putting the CPC in less than 60 seats. There is a common theme in all the different polls. The CPC is getting wiped out in the Urban centers, even in the west. This suggests the CPC is out of touch with urban voters and actively losing them hand over fist.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2086845237641523542

Please tell me you didn't place any bets on these numbers?

David Coletto of Abacus data, warned during the last election, to be wary of massive poll swings for/against anyone candidate or party without a specific event to back it up.

I sure as hell don't think Pierre is beating the Liberals, I find it more believable that the CPC and the LPC are 4-8% gap, with Liberals leading. Thats been what it was mostly at for the last 3 months or so.

Convenient that when Carney starts to have a bad press week and his numbers slip, suddenly obscure Nanos polls that make little fucking sense whatsoever, come up and show Pierre is basically Satan.

Where is your suspicion meter? Ohhh well, if that is the case, send me a cheque for $10,000 and when it clears, I promise to forward you a deed for some land in Africa.

And of course the media funding for the CBC, subsidies for CTV, Global, etc is not an issue? Yes, I know Toronto Sun benefits from it too.

Do I think Pierre is perfect? Hells no. I stand by statement, he is the best COA for the CPC going forward.

Pierre resigns and the CPC enters a leadership race. Perfect moment for Carney to call an election and lock in a strong majority.

Pierre resigns and the Liberals on a slim margin of good will lets them pick a new leader. Take your choice, take the BEST choice and install that person. The LPC and the media will spend 2-3 years using every asset available to trash that candidate and the conservatives.

On the idea of installing a red tory/Liberal light person? Not a good idea. As Warren Kinsella (Jean Chretien's right hand man) said "You don't pick up 5 new votes by chasing away 20 old votes"

I am seeing progress. I was visiting with my mother and some of her friends yesterday. Her friends (all in their 70s and 80s) were ALL in on Carney, thinking he was the man to fight Trump and be a responsible PM (unlike Trudeau in their view), and now, they are very disappointed. They have lost trust in him completely and even stated "Yup, he is a dirty banker".

So, thats only like .0000003% of the Canadian population that has lost faith in the Carney brand, but who else?

These old hens won't support Pierre (They are a never vote Tory ever crowd), but as Warren Kinsella has also stated "Winning elections is more about getting your own base to come out and vote". He also stated that the Liberal party (his party), has an issue when the voters don't support the leader, they typically don't show up on election day.

Next, if anyone gives a rats ass, I could share my own personal experience with Nanos polling from this last May. I contacted my friend and my MP, Alex Ruff about it.

 

[ArmyRick]

And yes, I have some friends that are still all in on the Carney brand of Liberals. Especially my wife's friends.

Thats great, they exercise their democratic right and chose a side. I have asked all of them what has he done well and not one can say a single thing he has done. Then again, they didn't even know anything about the Gordie Howe bridge deal until the day it happened and they still have no clue what it is about. My opinion (and Dave might point his finger at me sternly) is that the Liberals for the most part are politically ignorant.

And a Rick propaganda victory. My wife and I are friends with a local biker club. The president's son is a trans man (Gay man seeking to go woman), who grew a beard for his upcoming criminal trial. He did this because he is worried he will get a "conservative" judge.

We sat down over some beer, and discussed what his views were on Conservatives. He is now not pro conservative, but I broke the myths he was believing about conservatives.

 

[ytz]

Liberal MPs have that ability.

They have never shown that level of independence.

When was the last time a political party at any level of government did this in Canada? As in vote against their own government to take it down.

When we went to American style leadership contests and leaders getting to pick candidates, party caucuses lost the ability turf their leaders implicitly. It's sad, I wish our MPs had the ability to rebel, like in the UK. I would love to go back to our Westminster roots.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Liberal MPs have that ability.

They have never shown that level of independence.

Neither the Cons nor the Libs have done so, for better or worse.

 

[Czech_pivo]

That's very different from what you were saying earlier.

Their constitution doesn't allow them to remove the party leader outside of an election loss. A leader can only voluntarily resign.

That's very different from what you were saying earlier.

Their constitution doesn't allow them to remove the party leader outside of an election loss. A leader can only voluntarily resign.

True. I stand corrected.

 

[ytz]

I asked Gemini. Apparently, sitting members have only taken down their own government once in Canadian history. NDP MLA Jim Walding took down the Manitoba NDP government by one vote against the budget in 1988. This is apparently the only time in Canadian history.

 

[Jarnhamar]

The big plan seems to be to turtle until the next election...giving the next person little chance to grow into the job. I like my representatoves to be willing to fight for Canada. I am just so frustrated with the inability of the CPC to get our of their own way and actually add value to the country.

With a majority government how do you see the new CPC leader fighting for Canada in a different way than what's currently happening?

The minute the LPC got a majority they went into transparency turtle mode and started moving important discussions in-camera and away from the public. The CPC complained and thr LPC shrugged.

The CPC wanted Parliament to investigate what the LPC government actually agreed to with the US on the Gordie Howe bridge. The LPC shrugged and just voted against holding the proposed hearings.

The CPC wanted Parliament to investigate the $1.45b federal condo program, which raised questions about potential conflicts involving Mark Carney.  The LPC shrugged and just voted against holding the proposed hearings.

There was the recent committee fight over Canada Health Infoway's $300m PrescribeIT program. CPC and Bloc MPs pushed for further scrutiny after testimony raised questions about the program and contradictory statements involving the Health Minister. The committee's proceedings subsequently became bogged down, including disputes over whether matters should be dealt with publicly or behind closed doors.

The only accountability, if you could call it that, for federal politicians is our lame duck Question Period in Parliament - which PM Carney doesn't bother showing up to most of the time.

I just don't see what swapping out the CPC leader at this point would change when the LPC hold all the cards.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

When was the last time a political party at any level of government did this in Canada? As in vote against their own government to take it down.

When we went to American style leadership contests and leaders getting to pick candidates, party caucuses lost the ability turf their leaders implicitly. It's sad, I wish our MPs had the ability to rebel, like in the UK. I would love to go back to our Westminster roots.

I never said it had happened.

No sitting government is ever going to have it’s MPs vote to bring itself down.

 

[Halifax Tar]

With a majority government how do you see the new CPC leader fighting for Canada in a different way than what's currently happening?

The minute the LPC got a majority they went into transparency turtle mode and started moving important discussions in-camera and away from the public. The CPC complained and thr LPC shrugged.

The CPC wanted Parliament to investigate what the LPC government actually agreed to with the US on the Gordie Howe bridge. The LPC shrugged and just voted against holding the proposed hearings.

The CPC wanted Parliament to investigate the $1.45b federal condo program, which raised questions about potential conflicts involving Mark Carney.  The LPC shrugged and just voted against holding the proposed hearings.

There was the recent committee fight over Canada Health Infoway's $300m PrescribeIT program. CPC and Bloc MPs pushed for further scrutiny after testimony raised questions about the program and contradictory statements involving the Health Minister. The committee's proceedings subsequently became bogged down, including disputes over whether matters should be dealt with publicly or behind closed doors.

The only accountability, if you could call it that, for federal politicians is our lame duck Question Period in Parliament - which PM Carney doesn't bother showing up to most of the time.

I just don't see what swapping out the CPC leader at this point would change when the LPC hold all the cards.

Its a sad state of affairs... We Canadians accept to little by way of performance and conduct from our Govs and Politicians.

 

[Good2Golf]

With a majority government how do you see the new CPC leader fighting for Canada in a different way than what's currently happening?

The minute the LPC got a majority they went into transparency turtle mode and started moving important discussions in-camera and away from the public. The CPC complained and thr LPC shrugged.

The CPC wanted Parliament to investigate what the LPC government actually agreed to with the US on the Gordie Howe bridge. The LPC shrugged and just voted against holding the proposed hearings.

The CPC wanted Parliament to investigate the $1.45b federal condo program, which raised questions about potential conflicts involving Mark Carney.  The LPC shrugged and just voted against holding the proposed hearings.

There was the recent committee fight over Canada Health Infoway's $300m PrescribeIT program. CPC and Bloc MPs pushed for further scrutiny after testimony raised questions about the program and contradictory statements involving the Health Minister. The committee's proceedings subsequently became bogged down, including disputes over whether matters should be dealt with publicly or behind closed doors.

The only accountability, if you could call it that, for federal politicians is our lame duck Question Period in Parliament - which PM Carney doesn't bother showing up to most of the time.

I just don't see what swapping out the CPC leader at this point would change when the LPC hold all the cards.

So, consistent with another (relatively) progressive conservative, who had a transparency issue with the opposition…

Stephen Harper: master manipulator | Nick Davies

The long read: Despite several scandals worthy of Watergate over the past decade, Stephen Harper could win a fourth Canadian election next week. Can the master manipulator work his dark magic?

www.theguardian.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

So, consistent with another (relatively) progressive conservative, who had a transparency issue with the opposition…

Stephen Harper: master manipulator | Nick Davies

The long read: Despite several scandals worthy of Watergate over the past decade, Stephen Harper could win a fourth Canadian election next week. Can the master manipulator work his dark magic?

www.theguardian.com

Is this an excuse or deflection ?

Or does it make it more comfortable to accept continued shitty representation ?

 

[Jarnhamar]

So, consistent with another (relatively) progressive conservative, who had a transparency issue with the opposition…

100%. Power corrupts and Canadians like giving our politicians that power.

How do we stop politicians from being able to vote to hide what they're doing from us?

 

[Good2Golf]

Is this an excuse or deflection ?

Or does it make it more comfortable to accept continued shitty representation ?

Neither, confirmation of what Jarnhammer notes below. Are we to believe that any party that gets into a majority position *will actually walk-walk the talk-talk of transparency?

100%. Power corrupts and Canadians like giving our politicians that power.

How do we stop politicians from being able to vote to hide what they're doing from us?

Have a political system that has greater inclusion of all parties. FPTP has issues, but no matter the push by the electorate to have some form of improved representation, or the promises of parties to do so, it dies on the vine because in the end, it’s about power and influence. I honestly don’t think things will change. The opposition will claim that the incumbent government is horrible and not transparent. The only *change is who is actually complaining about whom…it is a cycle, always has been, likely always will be.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Have a political system that has greater inclusion of all parties. FPTP has issues, but no matter the push by the electorate to have some form of improved representation, or the promises of parties to do so, it dies on the vine because in the end, it’s about power and influence.

We need a mechanism to hold politicians accountable, or fire them, that's better than "vote for someone else in 4 years".

 

[YZT580]

Its a sad state of affairs... We Canadians accept to little by way of performance and conduct from our Govs and Politicians.

but we didn't accept it so stop beating the public please. We elected a minority albeit a strong minority government. The largest elected group promptly went out and bribed a few opportunists or simply vulnerable individuals to achieve majority status. That is not the fault of the voting public but simply individual avarice.